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nixluva
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3/6/2012  1:01 AM
Man the schedule makers lost their minds when making the schedule for March. You think the Knicks have it rough look at this Celtics schedule:

Tuesday, March 6 Houston Rockets 7:30 p.m.
Wednesday, March 7 @ Philadelphia 76ers 7:00 p.m.
Friday, March 9 Portland Trail Blazers 7:30 p.m.
Sunday, March 11 @ Los Angeles Lakers 3:30 p.m.
Monday, March 12 @ Los Angeles Clippers 10:30 p.m.
Wednesday, March 14 @ Golden State Warriors 10:30 p.m.
Friday, March 16 @ Sacramento Kings 10:00 p.m.
Saturday, March 17 @ Denver Nuggets 9:00 p.m.
Monday, March 19 @ Atlanta Hawks 7:30 p.m.
Thursday, March 22 @ Milwaukee Bucks 8:00 p.m.
Friday, March 23 @ Philadelphia 76ers 8:00 p.m.

Sunday, March 25 Washington Wizards 6:00 p.m.
Monday, March 26 @ Charlotte Bobcats 7:00 p.m.
Wednesday, March 28 Utah Jazz 7:30 p.m.
Friday, March 30 @ Minnesota Timberwolves 8:00 p.m.

If the Celtics can hold on to position after this killer stretch I take my hat off to them. They've got 11 road games to only 4 home games over this stretch and 5 back to backs. GEEZ!

Amazingly Philly only has two Back to backs over the same stretch. The one thing we have to do against Philly is win the games we have with them cuz Philly has the easiest schedule in March. They have a day of rest between games more often than NY or Boston.

Then you have the Knicks super tough schedule in March:

 Tue 06	 @ Dallas  	     8:30pm	  	 
Wed 07 @ San Antonio 8:30pm
Fri 09 @ Milwaukee 8:30pm
Sun 11 vs Philadelphia 12:00pm
Mon 12 @ Chicago 8:00pm
Wed 14 vs Portland 7:30pm
Fri 16 vs Indiana 7:30pm
Sat 17 @ Indiana 7:00pm
Tue 20 vs Toronto 7:30pm
Wed 21 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm
Fri 23 @ Toronto 7:00pm
Sat 24 vs Detroit 7:30pm
Mon 26 vs Milwaukee 7:30pm
Wed 28 vs Orlando 7:00pm
Fri 30 @ Atlanta 7:30pm
Sat 31 vs Cleveland 7:30pm

KNicks with a whopping 6 Back to backs!!! That is tough but the team is actually built to deal with this kind of schedule. The Knicks depth is going to have to really be a tool for this team. I like that MDA is getting them used to playing less minutes overall and going with 11 guys. I like that this teams bench can actually defend as well as score. This can really help to get the team over the top as we move along. At least the Knicks have 8 home games!

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3/6/2012  1:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2012  1:36 AM
True, depth is a great tool. But not putting your best players in the starting lineup is a good way to negate the advantage of superior depth.

In other words, can we please get Shumpert in and Fields out already.

Sorry, I know we have threads dedicated to this issue, but it's such a no-brainer of a move. Maybe Tuesday is the day

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3/6/2012  1:40 AM
MDA said that it is not happening - there you have it! MDA needs to be less stubborn as usual.
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3/6/2012  2:01 AM
We have to look at it from MDA's angle as well. he's not a guy that makes changes quickly and really I can understand it. For one thing the change doesn't always have the desired effect and then you risk sending the wrong message to your players. The one thing MDA is trying to establish is continuity and chemistry. This group needs to have some stability which it hasn't had all year. We just finally have a few games with everyone back and I think he wants to establish a set norm that his players can get used to. When you have a starting lineup you want those guys to develop chemistry and yanking guys out after only a few games isn't good. This is really only just begun with Lin, Fields, Melo, STAT, & Tyson as a group.

IMO what's ailing the starting lineup is the slow nature of how they get into the offense. They aren't pushing the pace and playing with energy on a consistent basis. If they just pick up the pace and get into more early offense situations they can do much better to start the 1st and 3rd qtrs of games.

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3/6/2012  2:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2012  2:28 AM
I don't think putting Shumpert in the starting lineup and moving Fields to the bench would greatly hurt our chemistry. And even if it did, I firmly believe that the positive effect that switch would have would outweigh the negative effect.

Look, the starting lineup is struggling, and there is an obvious move to be made, and it's a move that does not bench a superstar, or do anything too dramatic. It simply sends a second-year second-round draft pick to the bench, where he clearly belongs (and also moves him back to his natural position, and moves Smith to his natural position as well.) Why is this such a difficult move to make?

I can understand any reluctance to move someone like Amare to the bench. But Fields??? When we have a guy like Shumpert, who is a true 2-guard and whose defense would be invaluable to the starting unit???

There is no way at this point to defend not making this move.

It is MDA being MDA, which sucks.

TD gets benched for poor play, as he should have, yet Fields remains a starter -- and an out-of-position starter at that -- when we have two guys on the bench who are both better than him at shooting guard.

Eesh.

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3/6/2012  3:44 AM
It's funny how so many Knick fans assume they fully understand the dynamics of running a team. The move is not as cut and dry as it might seem to us just looking at things. Every coach has his reasons for doing things in his own way and I don't pretend to know exactly what MDA is thinking. What I do know is that Fields doesn't play anything like JR or Iman. Fields isn't really a guy that needs the ball to be effective and so he fits in a lineup filled with guys that do. When Fields is on his game he fits in great as a fill in the gaps player. MDA isn't going to quickly throw Fields under the bus for a bad stretch. We may not appreciate thus but his players do.
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3/6/2012  5:57 AM
So does that mean that I should just agree with everything D'Antoni does, because I do not know the dynamics of the team?

And moving Fields back to his natural position on a second unit that is proving to be among the league's best, and where he can become a more important part of the offense, is throwing him under the bus?

He is often an afterthought with the first unit, but would be more of a primary option with the second unit. This move would benefit everyone.

Again, demoting a star like Amare can be seen as throwing Amare under the bus. But not so with Fields.

The team talks about sacrifice, so Fields would have nothing to complain about. Fields is intelligent, and surely he would see the benefits of starting Shumpert.

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3/6/2012  12:04 PM
I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

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3/6/2012  3:51 PM
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

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3/6/2012  4:05 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

You don't make a hasty move without sound reasoning:

Landry over the last 1 games, which is a meaningful stretch:

SPLITS	        GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games 10 29.0 .477 5.5 2.8 0.2 0.8 1.2 9.8

Landry in our 18 wins and 19 losses:

In Wins 18 31.7 .500 4.8 2.8 0.3 1.4 1.6 10.6
In Losses 19 30.9 .439 3.9 2.9 0.2 1.2 1.7 9.1

What this shows is that really Landry doesn't have to do much in order to be a positive impact. His main thing is to have an efficient shooting game. He still does just about everything else at a similar clip regardless of whether the team wins or loses. His production hasn't fallen off drastically over enough of a stretch to warrant benching him. We need for Landry to become a more consistent shooter, which he's had issues with earlier this year, but not as much lately.

In Landry's last 5 games he's had 2 awful games and 3 good games. really only the last 2 games against Clev and Bos has Landry been awful. Before those 2 games he shot 44%, 58% and 50%!

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3/6/2012  4:09 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

You don't make a hasty move without sound reasoning:

Landry over the last 1 games, which is a meaningful stretch:

SPLITS	        GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games 10 29.0 .477 5.5 2.8 0.2 0.8 1.2 9.8

Landry in our 18 wins and 19 losses:

In Wins 18 31.7 .500 4.8 2.8 0.3 1.4 1.6 10.6
In Losses 19 30.9 .439 3.9 2.9 0.2 1.2 1.7 9.1

What this shows is that really Landry doesn't have to do much in order to be a positive impact. His main thing is to have an efficient shooting game. He still does just about everything else at a similar clip regardless of whether the team wins or loses. His production hasn't fallen off drastically over enough of a stretch to warrant benching him. We need for Landry to become a more consistent shooter, which he's had issues with earlier this year, but not as much lately.

In Landry's last 5 games he's had 2 awful games and 3 good games. really only the last 2 games against Clev and Bos has Landry been awful. Before those 2 games he shot 44%, 58% and 50%!

Yes. He did have a stretch of good games as well. But, I don't see defensive statistics in your stats, so, I think it is faulty.

Shump plays much better D - which we need out of the gate. And, he is our future SG. And, he is more of a threat due to his athleticism.

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3/6/2012  4:18 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

You don't make a hasty move without sound reasoning:

Landry over the last 1 games, which is a meaningful stretch:

SPLITS	        GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games 10 29.0 .477 5.5 2.8 0.2 0.8 1.2 9.8

Landry in our 18 wins and 19 losses:

In Wins 18 31.7 .500 4.8 2.8 0.3 1.4 1.6 10.6
In Losses 19 30.9 .439 3.9 2.9 0.2 1.2 1.7 9.1

What this shows is that really Landry doesn't have to do much in order to be a positive impact. His main thing is to have an efficient shooting game. He still does just about everything else at a similar clip regardless of whether the team wins or loses. His production hasn't fallen off drastically over enough of a stretch to warrant benching him. We need for Landry to become a more consistent shooter, which he's had issues with earlier this year, but not as much lately.

In Landry's last 5 games he's had 2 awful games and 3 good games. really only the last 2 games against Clev and Bos has Landry been awful. Before those 2 games he shot 44%, 58% and 50%!

Yes. He did have a stretch of good games as well. But, I don't see defensive statistics in your stats, so, I think it is faulty.

Shump plays much better D - which we need out of the gate. And, he is our future SG. And, he is more of a threat due to his athleticism.

My stats are faulty cuz they don't include the defensive stats? That's a bit odd since Rebounding, steals and blocks are defensive stats and clearly indicated in the stats above. Yes Shump is a better defender, but that doesn't mean Landry has been awful either. It also doesn't mean that Shump needs to replace Landry in the starting lineup. I think MDA has a lot to consider in terms of balancing the rotation.

It's not to say that Shump over Landry isn't a good idea but there's no real concrete argument that it would be better for the team. IMO coach deserves the time to make up his mind on this and weigh all the consequences.

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3/6/2012  5:20 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

You don't make a hasty move without sound reasoning:

Landry over the last 1 games, which is a meaningful stretch:

SPLITS	        GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games 10 29.0 .477 5.5 2.8 0.2 0.8 1.2 9.8

Landry in our 18 wins and 19 losses:

In Wins 18 31.7 .500 4.8 2.8 0.3 1.4 1.6 10.6
In Losses 19 30.9 .439 3.9 2.9 0.2 1.2 1.7 9.1

What this shows is that really Landry doesn't have to do much in order to be a positive impact. His main thing is to have an efficient shooting game. He still does just about everything else at a similar clip regardless of whether the team wins or loses. His production hasn't fallen off drastically over enough of a stretch to warrant benching him. We need for Landry to become a more consistent shooter, which he's had issues with earlier this year, but not as much lately.

In Landry's last 5 games he's had 2 awful games and 3 good games. really only the last 2 games against Clev and Bos has Landry been awful. Before those 2 games he shot 44%, 58% and 50%!

Yes. He did have a stretch of good games as well. But, I don't see defensive statistics in your stats, so, I think it is faulty.

Shump plays much better D - which we need out of the gate. And, he is our future SG. And, he is more of a threat due to his athleticism.

My stats are faulty cuz they don't include the defensive stats? That's a bit odd since Rebounding, steals and blocks are defensive stats and clearly indicated in the stats above. Yes Shump is a better defender, but that doesn't mean Landry has been awful either. It also doesn't mean that Shump needs to replace Landry in the starting lineup. I think MDA has a lot to consider in terms of balancing the rotation.

It's not to say that Shump over Landry isn't a good idea but there's no real concrete argument that it would be better for the team. IMO coach deserves the time to make up his mind on this and weigh all the consequences.

The stats don't include allowing SG penetration which is true defense. And yes, its not an easy or simple decision but one I would like to see made.

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3/6/2012  5:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2012  8:30 PM
March Madness is the best time of the year, sportswise.
....a week in Vegas is required for the 1st or 2nd round of the Tourney - Sports Book & Blackjack!!!!

(Hookers & Blow go without saying....breakfast buffet as well)

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3/6/2012  7:28 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

You don't make a hasty move without sound reasoning:

Landry over the last 1 games, which is a meaningful stretch:

SPLITS	        GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games 10 29.0 .477 5.5 2.8 0.2 0.8 1.2 9.8

Landry in our 18 wins and 19 losses:

In Wins 18 31.7 .500 4.8 2.8 0.3 1.4 1.6 10.6
In Losses 19 30.9 .439 3.9 2.9 0.2 1.2 1.7 9.1

What this shows is that really Landry doesn't have to do much in order to be a positive impact. His main thing is to have an efficient shooting game. He still does just about everything else at a similar clip regardless of whether the team wins or loses. His production hasn't fallen off drastically over enough of a stretch to warrant benching him. We need for Landry to become a more consistent shooter, which he's had issues with earlier this year, but not as much lately.

In Landry's last 5 games he's had 2 awful games and 3 good games. really only the last 2 games against Clev and Bos has Landry been awful. Before those 2 games he shot 44%, 58% and 50%!

Yes. He did have a stretch of good games as well. But, I don't see defensive statistics in your stats, so, I think it is faulty.

Shump plays much better D - which we need out of the gate. And, he is our future SG. And, he is more of a threat due to his athleticism.

My stats are faulty cuz they don't include the defensive stats? That's a bit odd since Rebounding, steals and blocks are defensive stats and clearly indicated in the stats above. Yes Shump is a better defender, but that doesn't mean Landry has been awful either. It also doesn't mean that Shump needs to replace Landry in the starting lineup. I think MDA has a lot to consider in terms of balancing the rotation.

It's not to say that Shump over Landry isn't a good idea but there's no real concrete argument that it would be better for the team. IMO coach deserves the time to make up his mind on this and weigh all the consequences.

The stats don't include allowing SG penetration which is true defense. And yes, its not an easy or simple decision but one I would like to see made.

My main guess is that MDA isn't eager to make any changes right now but rather keep things the same for a good while before making any new changes. Consistency is a huge need for this team as much as any. Just cuz Landry had 2 bad games doesn't warrant a change. This is Landry for an entire month:


MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
February 32.8 4.3-9.1 .478 0.5-1.9 .241 1.3-2.4 .556 5.2 2.8 0.2 1.1 1.5 1.5 10.5

What jumps out at me is that he's really struggling from 3pt range and at the line. Other than that, he's actually performing well.

As for defense Iman has a defensive Rating of 99 and Landry is 101. That's points per 100 possessions.
Iman's defensive win share is 1.4 and Landry's is 1.5. (Defensive Win Shares; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense.)

It's not a cut and dry decision to say the least.

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3/6/2012  8:23 PM
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just said that Fields is actually a good fit in with the group that has STAT and Melo. Fields usually does all the little things and fills in the gaps not requiring plays or a ton of touches. You want Iman to think about scoring and have the freedom to do it, so in the 2nd unit he's a primary scorer. Fields isn't that type of player and wouldn't benefit from that as much.

Anyway this schedule is really not going to allow much time to experiment! March will be fast and furious for the Knicks and Celtics. The Knicks will have a shot to catch the Sixers but it will be tough. They need to win tough road games to be able to do it!

Nah. A couple of more games like the past few, he rides the pine.

I have faith that MDA will have the guts to make the right move.

You don't make a hasty move without sound reasoning:

Landry over the last 1 games, which is a meaningful stretch:

SPLITS	        GP	MPG	FG%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STPG	PFPG	PPG
Last 10 Games 10 29.0 .477 5.5 2.8 0.2 0.8 1.2 9.8

Landry in our 18 wins and 19 losses:

In Wins 18 31.7 .500 4.8 2.8 0.3 1.4 1.6 10.6
In Losses 19 30.9 .439 3.9 2.9 0.2 1.2 1.7 9.1

What this shows is that really Landry doesn't have to do much in order to be a positive impact. His main thing is to have an efficient shooting game. He still does just about everything else at a similar clip regardless of whether the team wins or loses. His production hasn't fallen off drastically over enough of a stretch to warrant benching him. We need for Landry to become a more consistent shooter, which he's had issues with earlier this year, but not as much lately.

In Landry's last 5 games he's had 2 awful games and 3 good games. really only the last 2 games against Clev and Bos has Landry been awful. Before those 2 games he shot 44%, 58% and 50%!

Yes. He did have a stretch of good games as well. But, I don't see defensive statistics in your stats, so, I think it is faulty.

Shump plays much better D - which we need out of the gate. And, he is our future SG. And, he is more of a threat due to his athleticism.

My stats are faulty cuz they don't include the defensive stats? That's a bit odd since Rebounding, steals and blocks are defensive stats and clearly indicated in the stats above. Yes Shump is a better defender, but that doesn't mean Landry has been awful either. It also doesn't mean that Shump needs to replace Landry in the starting lineup. I think MDA has a lot to consider in terms of balancing the rotation.

It's not to say that Shump over Landry isn't a good idea but there's no real concrete argument that it would be better for the team. IMO coach deserves the time to make up his mind on this and weigh all the consequences.

The stats don't include allowing SG penetration which is true defense. And yes, its not an easy or simple decision but one I would like to see made.

My main guess is that MDA isn't eager to make any changes right now but rather keep things the same for a good while before making any new changes. Consistency is a huge need for this team as much as any. Just cuz Landry had 2 bad games doesn't warrant a change. This is Landry for an entire month:


MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
February 32.8 4.3-9.1 .478 0.5-1.9 .241 1.3-2.4 .556 5.2 2.8 0.2 1.1 1.5 1.5 10.5

What jumps out at me is that he's really struggling from 3pt range and at the line. Other than that, he's actually performing well.

As for defense Iman has a defensive Rating of 99 and Landry is 101. That's points per 100 possessions.
Iman's defensive win share is 1.4 and Landry's is 1.5. (Defensive Win Shares; an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defense.)

It's not a cut and dry decision to say the least.

Nix, those are awful stats! Especially for a starting SG. Also, I imagine that most of his FG's come near the basket because he can't shoot a lick.

Don't really understand those defensive numbers that you gave. I do know that when I watch the game he gets beaten badly off the dribble too often.

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