Is Dolan hated more than Steinbrenner of the 80's? Steinbrenner made more Starphuching moves than anyone. He traded away any and every prospect for ex-proven/washed up players. He was involved in numerous scandals such as the Howie Spira/Dave Winfield bebacle. He went through managers as often as he changes his underwear.

After many years of losing and bonehead reach-moves, we chose the right GM in Gene Michael, we kept some of our home-grown prospects such as Jeter, B Williams, A Pettite (out of nowhere) and Mariano (who also was not expected to be what he was). They made smart (non-star) signings like Brosius, Charlie Hayes and alike. And, they started winning. If fell into place after so many years of anguish.

Now, Steinbrenner who was once hated more than anyone is loved and will always be remembered in a positive light. Winning cures all hate.

So this knicks team seems to be in much better shape and heading in the right direction towards winning in the playoffs and maybe more (who knows). Again, if we win a title, will this brutal hate for Dolan subside? Can he even be possibly remembered positively?

Is he that much different than Steinbrenner (aside from Steinbrenner being a back page hog / attention desperate owner)?

Thoughts?

It's not that Dolan is a prick, it's that he's a moron.

The Yankess didn't turn it around until George got banned for a few years and Stick Michaels was able to run the team the way he wanted by building the farm system up to get home grown Yanks playing in the show. By the time big George was back at the helm the team was 95% complete.

If Stern were to get rid of Dolan for a few years and give control to someone who knows what they hell they're doing then maybe it could be comparable.

So the question is what dirt can we dig up on Dolan to make it happen

CashMoney wrote:JAY BUHNER FOR KEN PHELPS STRAIGHT UP!!!

The Yankess didn't turn it around until George got banned for a few years and Stick Michaels was able to run the team the way he wanted by building the farm system up to get home grown Yanks playing in the show. By the time big George was back at the helm the team was 95% complete.

If Stern were to get rid of Dolan for a few years and give control to someone who knows what they hell they're doing then maybe it could be comparable.

So the question is what dirt can we dig up on Dolan to make it happen

Haha - great point. Maybe they will find out that Isaiah and Dolan were doing some hanky panky and send him packing for a few years.

Jay Buhner trade even made it to an episode of Seinfeld - when George was thought to be dead because they found his smashed and bloody car outside of the Stadium, Steinbrenner went to the Costanza house to break the news, and Frank Costanza's first response was ... "What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?!?!" - hillarious!!

Jose Rijo, Jim Deshayes the list goes on and on!

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I don't know man.

It's not that Dolan is a prick, it's that he's a moron.

You don't think that Steinbrenner was a moron with all his moves (much worse than Dolan) before he became not-a-moron?

Steinbrenner had character, an edge; Dolan has a dull look in his eyes. Dolan has no redeeming qualities.

He was a nut job. But it was definitely more fun.

Many owners are boring blank dull people but still good owners.

The Boss was passionate about the Yankees and buiding its brand.

His actions got him on the back of the newspaper and helped build its brand awareness.

The Boss made decisons emotionally. He spoke before thinking. That hurt him.

Dolan does not appear to think, and therefore he does not speak.

We should be grateful he does not speak. At least he spares us that!

it's weird because I cannot stand basketball Jimmy Dolan who likes playing with his toy and hockey Dolan who could not have done a better job structuring his organization

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SupremeCommander wrote:the other thing is Glen Sather, the Rangers GM, was hated on the Isiah level among the fan base. he was a star phucker. but his strength had been in Edmonton, where he developed guys like Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier, and rode them to Stanley Cups until they could no longer afford the two (and other Hall of Famers). Dolan's roll in turning around the Rangers can't be overstated because he took the pressure off of management to build it the right way.

it's weird because I cannot stand basketball Jimmy Dolan who likes playing with his toy and hockey Dolan who could not have done a better job structuring his organization

Sather I thought was around in 1994. The starphuching was very very heavy with the rangers for years and years. After the strike and a hard salary cap the emphisis was building thru the farm which they can do in hockey. Funny, Minor leauge hockey does very well and makes money, as does baseball but Minor league basketball has always struggled.

With a hard cap, the advantage to spend on stars goes out the window.

Funny, back in the day Sather was a starphuch hire after his brilliant run in Edmonton. The Oilers simply could not pay that team and the reason why Gretzky was traded. Gretky was a 17 year old phenom destined for stardom when he signed with the Oilers when they were in the World Hockey Association. Sather did a very good job with Mess and others but Gretzky was a freak who needed no development.

I would welcome any rebuilding program that would sacrifice a few years to build a long term run. But I don't pay the bills, don't answer to shareholders nor have any money at stake.

Slats was in Edmonton in 1994, went out of hockey, and then joined the Rangers in 2000

As for the the Rangers starphucking, that went on well before Slats got into town. He continued the trend but not to the extent of throwing money at Darius Kaspartitis and Valery Kamensky. Though it was still a flaw until the organization made a conscious decision not to

I'm unsure what the points of Gretzky and the WHA have to do with anything, but I will say I reference 99 and Mess because I thought NBA fans might recognize those names as opposed to Grant Fuhr, Jari Kurri, Paul Coffey, Glenn Anderson, Kevin Lowe, etc

The Knicks downfall since the Ewing era has always been impatience, and it isn't even just Isiah.
Patience is a hard sell to New York fans and every single flawed regime in Knicks history is predicated on going into win now mode at the inappropriate time. Walsh was able to be patient because his timing was good. New York was the first team to start putting together room for 2010 free agency, but what would have happened if Bron, Wade and Bosh extended?

When they got STAT, then it was time to go into win now mode because his career won't last five years.