and why does a GM have to give a game-by-game explanation of anything?

Posted by TRU:

Posted by martin:

and why does a GM have to give a game-by-game explanation of anything?

Hey, martin-- I'm surprised at the tone of your post... it's not like you. You know damn well that Zeke never misses an opportunity to pat himself on the back. Dude was on the talk shows, in the papers after every win or trade. Now his comments are conspicuously absent. We'd be remiss in our duties if someone didn't point this out. I'm not saying he's ducking, but...

GM was invited on to a talk show... you don't pass up that opportunity. No one does.

Reporters ask questions and coaches, GMs, players can choose to answer or not, so why is it strange when a GM either declines questions or is not available?

IT made two huge moves: Getting Marb and then getting some peices that may or may not pan out. I would pat myself on the back all day long if I netted a high level all-star for bit peices. I have never heard Zeke congratulate himself for anything else; with wins he has always pointed to the coach and players.

TRU, please point me to any article where Zeke pats himself on the back.

Also, why would be remiss in mentioning it? When do GM regularly comment on wins and losses? And why is it conspicuously absent? What should a GM say in this case that is not already understood by the players and the coaches. And if he did say something, wouldn't the players and coaches react negatively about the constant day-to-day pressure?

Clearly IT should've shipped out other players - kt, deke, othella, shandumb. but he didn't and theres no going back. looking to the future, obviously this isnt our year because we still have those bums. but in 2 or 3 years I think the prospects can be bright.

Posted by BRIGGS:

portland did a good job of retooling through trades. They got younger--they got better--they have a declining payroll that will continue to drop--they kept their draft pick and added a second first rounder. they didnt take on one bad salary they have great flexibility. Any team that has made the playoffs so many yeasr in a row--and being in the scenario they were in with all of the malcontent's to get that type of young talent along with anumber 1 draft pick and be in position to lower payroll and add flexibility was the way to go.

on the other hand we had to take everyone else crp to get the player we wanted added 175MM in payroll and gave up 2first rounders and a second rounder with no flexibility.

the differnce is that Portland mandated a plan--went through a long process in hiring a gM and President who have implemented the game plan.

the two GMs who were busiest came away with very mixed results i.e the celtic and the knicks.


the knicks need a system of checks and balances.

Posted by martin:


GM was invited on to a talk show... you don't pass up that opportunity. No one does.

Reporters ask questions and coaches, GMs, players can choose to answer or not, so why is it strange when a GM either declines questions or is not available?

IT made two huge moves: Getting Marb and then getting some peices that may or may not pan out. I would pat myself on the back all day long if I netted a high level all-star for bit peices. I have never heard Zeke congratulate himself for anything else; with wins he has always pointed to the coach and players.

TRU, please point me to any article where Zeke pats himself on the back.

Also, why would be remiss in mentioning it? When do GM regularly comment on wins and losses? And why is it conspicuously absent? What should a GM say in this case that is not already understood by the players and the coaches. And if he did say something, wouldn't the players and coaches react negatively about the constant day-to-day pressure?

You're buggin'. Are honestly trying to argue that Isaiah isn't an attention hound with a chip on his shoulder?

That he isn't the most deliberately visible GM in the league despite his short tenure?

That it would be "impossible" to actually be discrete and turn down a talk show, radio show, or tv show appearance?

Isaiah likes the spotlight. It's part of what makes him a good fit for this town. Why else would he stand in MSG tunnel rather than watch from a luxury box like every other GM? Why else would he do interviews with ESPN magazine?

The fact is, he has always been accessible in the past. Yet now, when his decisions are the most open to criticism, why has he yet to make comment? Every player on the team has made a comment on the losing streak and the apparent lack of chemistry. The coach has commented. Thousands of fans commented in chanting KVH's name at home the other night. The papers have all had something to say.

And you are honestly saying that it's not the least bit conspicuous that we've heard nothing from him?

[Edited by - TRU on 02/26/2004 17:31:08]

Posted by BRIGGS:

portland did a good job of retooling through trades. They got younger--they got better--they have a declining payroll that will continue to drop--they kept their draft pick and added a second first rounder. they didnt take on one bad salary they have great flexibility. Any team that has made the playoffs so many yeasr in a row--and being in the scenario they were in with all of the malcontent's to get that type of young talent along with anumber 1 draft pick and be in position to lower payroll and add flexibility was the way to go.

on the other hand we had to take everyone else crp to get the player we wanted added 175MM in payroll and gave up 2first rounders and a second rounder with no flexibility.

the differnce is that Portland mandated a plan--went through a long process in hiring a gM and President who have implemented the game plan.

the two GMs who were busiest came away with very mixed results i.e the celtic and the knicks.

the knicks need a system of checks and balances.

gotta disagree with you slightly. Celtics clear got worse. Knicks get better and have the potential to get much better.

The Knicks did send out 2 first rounds and a second, but the other first rounders is worthless, and so is the second rounder. Knicks GM also snagged DerMarr. They did add contracts but Penny's may become a trading bonus for the team in 2 years. The team got more athletic and a lot younger. We also rid ourselves of Eisley, Ward, and Spoon.

Posted by TRU:

Posted by martin:


GM was invited on to a talk show... you don't pass up that opportunity. No one does.

Reporters ask questions and coaches, GMs, players can choose to answer or not, so why is it strange when a GM either declines questions or is not available?

IT made two huge moves: Getting Marb and then getting some peices that may or may not pan out. I would pat myself on the back all day long if I netted a high level all-star for bit peices. I have never heard Zeke congratulate himself for anything else; with wins he has always pointed to the coach and players.

TRU, please point me to any article where Zeke pats himself on the back.

Also, why would be remiss in mentioning it? When do GM regularly comment on wins and losses? And why is it conspicuously absent? What should a GM say in this case that is not already understood by the players and the coaches. And if he did say something, wouldn't the players and coaches react negatively about the constant day-to-day pressure?

You're buggin'. Are honestly trying to argue that Isaiah isn't an attention hound with a chip on his shoulder?

That he isn't the most deliberately visible GM in the league despite his short tenure?

That it would be "impossible" to actually be discrete and turn down a talk show, radio show, or tv show appearance?

Isaiah likes the spotlight. It's part of what makes him a good fit for this town. Why else would he stand in MSG tunnel rather than watch from a luxury box like every other GM? Why else would he do interviews with ESPN magazine?

The fact is, he has always been accessible in the past. Yet now, when his decisions are the most open to criticism, why has he yet to make comment? Every player on the team has made a comment on the losing streak and the apparent lack of chemistry. The coach has commented. Thousands of fans commented in chanting KVH's name at home the other night. The papers have all had something to say.

And you are honestly saying that it's not the least bit conspicuous that we've heard nothing from him?

[Edited by - TRU on 02/26/2004 17:31:08]

so you are saying that you have it on on good word that reporters have hounded him about it? As a GM, what do you say that would have a positive benefit?

Also, where did I say that Zeke did not have a chip on his shoulder and did not seek the spotlight. He does. So what? And when he doesn't for once it's a thing to note?

WORD ON THE STREET says Zeke has been staying at home in INDIANA, prolly licking his wounds thinking up an explanation for NY media from all the trades that have had bad timing written all over them. Did he stop talking to Miss Cleo Hardcore? Tkf WHERE ARE YOU? RUN AND HIDE AFTER RUNNING YA MOUTH HUH SON.

Don't worry, if we get better soon, be sure he'll come back to get the spotlight.

Lowrider.. you're new, so you odnt know better.. but don;t listen to anything playa2 says. He calls himself a fan, but really all he wants is to go against the forum norm and get on everyone's nerves.

Personally... If I ran this board, I would've banned his IP address for some of the **** he writes... like in this thread alone.

He's obviously forgotten how quiet his boy Layden was, or how his man Don Chaney had much longer losing streaks than this.