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"How to Guard Jeremy Lin" Article and a possible solution.
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earthmansurfer
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2/26/2012  8:31 AM
Found the below article on another board regarding how to defend against Lin. What Miami did was what Dallas did albeit with quicker and better defenders.

I posted the following and am curious what you all think of this as a solution (as well as some other solutions (like more Lin - Melo P&R's, Melo post ups, etc.):
Regarding Lin, I think there is a semi simple solution, or at least aid to his getting so many doubles. If you watched Chris Paul against the heat, time and time again he never tried to go through or around (generally) the doubles, he just dribbled backwards and the double team broke off. Even if the double stays you now have more of an angle and more space to hit the open man (which is why the doubles are broken Off imo). You can just start a new attack at a different angle. Repeat if necessary.

Lin often missed the open man as the double was on top of him. He often tried to go around it but I don't remember him backing away from it. Now Paul is an incredible PG so I don't know how difficult it is to back up with your dribble, away from the double team - it doesn't look so hard. I believe Baron did it quite a bit against the Heat.

First Step: Smother- As Jeremy Lin (1) dribbles on top of the key and Amar’e Stoudemire (4) sets a screen for him to begin the pick-and-roll process, Stoudemire’s defender traps Lin. Van Gundy, ”I would trap Lin hard and trap him early. ”He won’t fall apart in a hard trap, but when a guy’s on a roll, you can’t let him play with the ball.” Lin, although very lethal is also extremely prone to turnovers ( evidenced by his 8 against the Heat) and by trapping him on top of the key it won’t allow him to get comfortable and drive to the lane like he wants. This small piece of info from the ESPN article was very interesting, According to Synergy Sports, Lin’s turnover rate in the pick-and-roll soars, from 5 percent when single-covered to 22 percent when the D sends help. Certainly this would be a great first step in trying to stop Lin.

Step Two: Closing Out- As shown by the diagram Lin (1) is now trapped and he will not be able to pass out to whomever is rolling off the screen. Lin is instead forced to pass out to a teammate on the perimeter which allows the defense to easily rotate and avoid the trouble of Lin penetrating to the basket. Van Gundy feels that the key to applying this formula effectively is, “not letting Lin split the defenders — (giving) him daylight (or) he’ll shoot the gap for an easy look — or pass to Tyson Chandler (5), roaming the baseline.” The defenses goal in this situation should be to force Lin to have to pass out to a perimeter player thus doing their job by eliminating all other options for Lin. ”The more rotations you’re in, the harder it is to defensive rebound,” VanGundy says. “There’s always a risk in putting two defenders on the ball, but with Lin, there’s greater risk in not doing it.”

Step Three: Recovering- The third and probably most important step is to recover. The defenders must be able to reset their positions and, once again, force a man-to-man situation, where the ball is not in Lin’s hands. “When you’re deciding to hard trap a point guard in a pick-and-roll, it’s really about who they’re playing with,” Van Gundy says. “You’re more exposed to teams that shoot the ball well.” Like the Lakers this season the Knicks have not really been a threat from the outside. Carmelo Anthony/ Bill Walker (3), and Landry Fields (2), have really been disappointments this season from the outside. Anthony is shooting 30%, Bill Walker 33%, and Fields 28%, from the 3-point range this season. (Chandler is the odd man left out here but he isn’t exactly a 3-point threat so there was no real need to mention him as a threat from outside). Lin isn’t exactly a 3-point specialist either as he is just, “3-for-14 in catch-and-shoot opportunities this season.” Opposing teams don’t really have to worry too much about the Knicks beating them from downtown.


Taken from: http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrusades/2012/02/25/linsanity-three-steps-to-stopping-jeremy-lin/

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2/26/2012  8:33 AM
I like the dribbling back idea. It's brilliant. If Lin dribbled back like Paul, he has the speed and the quickness to bust the double, but we hope he will pass the rock long-range.
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2/26/2012  9:23 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I like the dribbling back idea. It's brilliant. If Lin dribbled back like Paul, he has the speed and the quickness to bust the double, but we hope he will pass the rock long-range.

We already have a guard who specializes in dribbling back. Yeah, sure.... let's turn Lin into Toney Douglas. That's the ticket.

Sheesh.

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2/26/2012  9:26 AM
misterearl wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I like the dribbling back idea. It's brilliant. If Lin dribbled back like Paul, he has the speed and the quickness to bust the double, but we hope he will pass the rock long-range.

We already have a guard who specializes in dribbling back. Yeah, sure.... let's turn Lin into Toney Douglas. That's the ticket.

Sheesh.

Hahahahahaha, terrible. I don't want to bury any more guards.

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2/26/2012  9:36 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2012  9:57 AM
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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Hahahahahaha, terrible. I don't want to bury any more guards.

Q. Did the paint-by-numbers dude who wrote this detailed scientific solution ever hoop against Norris Cole, Dwyane Wade and Mario Chalmers?

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2/26/2012  9:59 AM
Misterearl - what are you talking about and why the hate? Why compare him to TD? I brought up a legit and factual point about what Chris Paul (and Baron) did against the heat. It seemed to work against the Miami defenders for a slower Chris Paul. Both him and Lin use changes of speed and hesitations (and Lin has a better first step) to get open. Stick with the facts.

I don't appreciate you trying to turn this thread into trash. I am bringing up a valid point so stick to the subject and avoid the hysterics.

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2/26/2012  10:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2012  10:18 AM
emsurfer - what hate are you talking about? In what Evander said? Stop with the drama. The routine of backing up is EXACTLY what has Toney Douglas nailed to the pine. You could look it up on the video.

There is a huge difference between basketball theory, or as you say - "it doesn't look so hard." - and actually playing the game.

If you think that a counterpoint (complete with a first hand quotation) to what you think is preciously "valid" is hysterics, that is hysterical.

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2/26/2012  10:26 AM
misterearl wrote:emsurfer - what hate are you talking about? In what Evander said? Stop with the drama. The routine of backing up is EXACTLY what has Toney Douglas nailed to the pine. You could look it up on the video.

There is a huge difference between basketball theory, or as you say - "it doesn't look so hard." - and actually playing the game.

If you think that a counterpoint (complete with a first hand quotation) to what you think is preciously "valid" is hysterics, that is hysterical.


He's understandably frustrated by your response because you didn't address the content of the article. All you said is basically "Toney Douglas did it. So it must be wrong." Can you discuss what's wrong with the author's actual suggestions?
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2/26/2012  10:59 AM
There's nothing wrong. Earl THE ANSWER MAN knows about Nash busting doubles with the long-range dish. He brought it to our attention.
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2/26/2012  11:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2012  11:20 AM
Thanks Bonn, that is a bit of my point. Instead of criticizing, work on or offer a solution misterearl. I don't get what you are saying misterearl, TD dribbles backwards but it sure ain't cause he is getting double teamed (and actually I don't even remember him doing that but believe you). If you watch the Chris Paul highlights from the Miami game, he dribbled backwards time and time again and it worked brilliantly.

I think anyone who has played sports or done anything in life, can say that theory and practice are two different things. Well, we are on a message board, so get used to the theory. And when I reference actual play, that is about as close to practice as we can get on a message board. Nothing hysterical here.

Eventually Lin will be able to do the long range dishes with doubles on him, but that is awfully hard with long and quick defenders on you. The team is new as far as playing together goes, that will come in time.

Watch what Paul does:

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2/26/2012  11:22 AM
The premise of the article is we have bad or non existent three point shooting. Isn't the solution somewhat self evident? This is why people have been calling for JR/ Novak to get time with Lin.
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2/26/2012  11:31 AM
loweyecue wrote:The premise of the article is we have bad or non existent three point shooting. Isn't the solution somewhat self evident? This is why people have been calling for JR/ Novak to get time with Lin.

Totally true, we need JR and Novak out there when Lin is out there. But, we still have the problem of those doubles on Lin which I was bringing up. Another poster on a different forum mentioned using JR to bring the ball up at times and that could help Lin, if need be.

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2/26/2012  11:55 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
loweyecue wrote:The premise of the article is we have bad or non existent three point shooting. Isn't the solution somewhat self evident? This is why people have been calling for JR/ Novak to get time with Lin.

Totally true, we need JR and Novak out there when Lin is out there. But, we still have the problem of those doubles on Lin which I was bringing up. Another poster on a different forum mentioned using JR to bring the ball up at times and that could help Lin, if need be.

JR and Novak are the only two shooters on the roster, which makes it all the more clearer that JR starts while Novak plays with the bench unit. Novak can handle being the only shooter on the floor... he single handedly extended the lead in the second quarter with 3 three-pointers.

I can only imagine the spacing when Melo's jumpshot starts to fall. It will be impossible to double Lin hard with JR and Melo behind the arc.

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2/26/2012  11:59 AM
JR has been playing close to starting minutes. Don't know if a move to the starting lineup is that urgent. Down the road, it may be. Id like to see how Shumpert's jumper evolves. He could be the prime candidate for starting 2.
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2/26/2012  4:45 PM
Knicks just need to help Lin out more. Come and show so he has outlet passes before the other team can double him. Other players can bring up the ball or take it for a short part of the set as Melo and Fields did. MDA can run some different sets which they didn't have time to work on. Trust me there's a LOT more plays in MDA's playbook than they're running right now. That's why it's so important to have practice.

This team wasn't fully trained and Lin has a ton of things to learn still. For one thing he slowed down with the pressure when really he should've sped up and if possible advance the ball to avoid the trap. The Knicks haven't been pushing the ball as much as they should.

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2/26/2012  4:49 PM
That is MDA's main job right now. Its his offense and he needs to find a way to get Lin better passing options as well as making the offense look dynamic so defenses don't simply collapse on Lin with double teams.
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2/26/2012  5:32 PM
Knicksfan wrote:That is MDA's main job right now. Its his offense and he needs to find a way to get Lin better passing options as well as making the offense look dynamic so defenses don't simply collapse on Lin with double teams.

Lin has been the starter for such a short time and with so few practices they really haven't had enough time for Lin to have absorbed options to go to. JR likely doesn't any of the plays and there's a general lack of chemistry with everyone just coming back.

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2/26/2012  6:29 PM
Until our players make shots from down town, lins going to continue to see all kinds of doubles..
As much as I like fields, he is the weakest link in that starting line up becuase of his poor perimetr shooting...amare and melo are no help in that area ethier, but your not going to pull them from the starting line up..
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2/26/2012  8:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2012  8:58 PM
If Lin is double team, whoever is without a defender should run up to help Lin out and then have Novak jump into position behind the 3 point line and then feed Novak the ball. Any defender scrambling to get back to defend Novak will not have enough time to contest the shot.

As soon as one of the knicks player starts moving toward Lin, Novak should start moving too.

This will teach team not to double team Lin so easily.

"How to Guard Jeremy Lin" Article and a possible solution.

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