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2/24/2012  8:39 AM
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Lin is now coming back to earth and he will be a good point guard in our system. But if you think that you will have a Championship team with Chandler and Lin you are dreaming. Everyone needs to come back to earth and get real.

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2/24/2012  8:44 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Lin is now coming back to earth and he will be a good point guard in our system. But if you think that you will have a Championship team with Chandler and Lin you are dreaming. Everyone needs to come back to earth and get real.

This game was going to happen to Lin. Remember he shot 1-13 in the 2nd half of the minnesota game--it was back to back---and he played against ath
eletes who were bigger stronger and or faster than him from all angles This will be a learning experience both for him and the rest of the Knicks.

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2/24/2012  9:04 AM
It's not about Lin coming back to Earth. The problem is that as a team they didn't have any counter measures for what the Heat did. That's where more practice and experience will come in. Lin hasn't even been thru the league once yet in his career. The level of media and fan overreaction is unreal. This kid is so new to this he's practically a rookie.

By the time this gets to the playoffs things will be different. Now the coaches can go over the tapes with Lin so he can learn what to do next time.
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2/24/2012  9:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2012  9:46 AM
nixluva wrote:It's not about Lin coming back to Earth. The problem is that as a team they didn't have any counter measures for what the Heat did. That's where more practice and experience will come in. Lin hasn't even been thru the league once yet in his career. The level of media and fan overreaction is unreal. This kid is so new to this he's practically a rookie.

By the time this gets to the playoffs things will be different. Now the coaches can go over the tapes with Lin so he can learn what to do next time.


Agree. There is too much over reaction on both sides. First on how well Lin is doing and second on his off nights. He is human, he will have bad nights. I think even Steve Nash had a few. What will determine if Lin is a real NBA point guard is not how he did last night but how he goes forward from last night. Does he adjust? It happens with every rookie in every sport. The league watches and they get their scouting reports. Before last night, we knew that Lin must improve his ball handling and ball protection. Last night, we say why. Miami has great athletes who allow them to play a system that cheats a few things because of their athleticism. They attack on D, because of it. Lin and the Knicks need to do their homework and determine how to counter act it. Hopefully they can find something. Most likely they will.

Instead of blaming a 23 year old, rookie ball player, why not focus on 2 "All-Star" vets who basically did nothing?

In addition, Chandler will not play that poorly again. Lin, will be better than 1-11 next time and Davis will hopefully improve. With all of that, the Knicks were still within 8 points.

I am encouraged not discouraged.
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2/24/2012  10:13 AM
He's had 10 good games and 1 bad game.

Melo has had... Exactly. Did Melo do anything special last night?
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2/24/2012  10:22 AM
Sometimes a fighter gets overwhelmed by a super aggressive attack and doesn't react well and that kind of happened to Lin. They were so aggressive that it took him out of his comfort zone and he couldn't figure out a response. Now he has to learn from it and grow as a player. The good thing is the Heat can't surprise him twice. Next time Lin and the Knicks will be ready with an adjustment.

The play of STAT and Melo will improve IMO. We'll get Shump and Jorts back and the team will be stronger. The Heat are a major jump in quality from the teams the Knicks have faced so the Knicks have to be clicking on all cylinders which they aren't just yet.
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2/24/2012  10:44 AM
nixluva wrote:Sometimes a fighter gets overwhelmed by a super aggressive attack and doesn't react well and that kind of happened to Lin. They were so aggressive that it took him out of his comfort zone and he couldn't figure out a response. Now he has to learn from it and grow as a player. The good thing is the Heat can't surprise him twice. Next time Lin and the Knicks will be ready with an adjustment.

This.

I'm not worried at all about Lin. He has faced heavier setbacks than this, he'll be fine. Guy perseveres, it's what he does.

My problem is with Carmelo being on this team. I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but I am certain Melo's presence is the deeper problem here. My concern is the chemistry of this team.

That's Real Talk.

Lin will be fine, all he does in life is overcome, he overcomes like it's his job.

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2/24/2012  10:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2012  10:48 AM
I, for one am not about to trash Lin for one bad game, he was overwhelmed. He has shown enough to say he is player.He has gone from unknown, to cut, to star in a month. From sleeping on a friend's couch to owning a NY condo and millions in endorsements in a ridiculously short period of time.

One bad game in a month against arguably the best team in bball is hardly determinative of his ability.
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2/24/2012  10:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2012  10:49 AM
nixluva wrote:It's not about Lin coming back to Earth. The problem is that as a team they didn't have any counter measures for what the Heat did. That's where more practice and experience will come in. Lin hasn't even been thru the league once yet in his career. The level of media and fan overreaction is unreal. This kid is so new to this he's practically a rookie.

By the time this gets to the playoffs things will be different. Now the coaches can go over the tapes with Lin so he can learn what to do next time.

I have tremendous faith in our Harvard grad to do well studying the video and working with the coaches. I think Lin will one day be a winning NBA coach himself. The dude has a really good mind for the game and I think he will be an outstanding Knicks PG for a long time. We got really lucky to discover him.

I am much more worried about Amare's lack of hustle on defense and lack of explosiveness on offense. I am more worried about Melo's ability to find his place in a team-oriented scheme. But Lin I have no worries about. He was tired and over-matched against the Heat, but he will grow from it. I agree with whomever it was that said this loss will be better for Lin than the win we previously enjoyed.
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2/24/2012  11:01 AM
nixluva wrote:Sometimes a fighter gets overwhelmed by a super aggressive attack and doesn't react well and that kind of happened to Lin. They were so aggressive that it took him out of his comfort zone and he couldn't figure out a response. Now he has to learn from it and grow as a player. The good thing is the Heat can't surprise him twice. Next time Lin and the Knicks will be ready with an adjustment.

The play of STAT and Melo will improve IMO. We'll get Shump and Jorts back and the team will be stronger. The Heat are a major jump in quality from the teams the Knicks have faced so the Knicks have to be clicking on all cylinders which they aren't just yet.

Yep- I've never been so excited about the Knicks getting a chance to practice 4 or 5 times- but it's just what they need. Hard to believe JR Smith and BD haven't had any proper practice at all, and Melo and Amar'e have never practiced with Lin.

I hate losing to the Heat, especially so convincingly, but hopefully we can close the gap by the time the season ends with this upcoming practice time and more games for the players to get used to playing with each other.

Hopefully Lin's poor performance, coinciding with only 1 game in 2 weeks, will take some of the attention and pressure off him for a bit.
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2/24/2012  3:44 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Lin is now coming back to earth and he will be a good point guard in our system. But if you think that you will have a Championship team with Chandler and Lin you are dreaming. Everyone needs to come back to earth and get real.

well melo wasn't exactly contending for titles all these years. lebron has at least been to 2 nba finals. Lin and Chandler are important to this team i mean they did save our season. i think both of them with melo will be great once they have time. but defending melo by bashing the rest of our good players is a little stupid
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2/24/2012  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2012  3:48 PM
JCrusher wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Lin is now coming back to earth and he will be a good point guard in our system. But if you think that you will have a Championship team with Chandler and Lin you are dreaming. Everyone needs to come back to earth and get real.

well melo wasn't exactly contending for titles all these years. lebron has at least been to 2 nba finals. Lin and Chandler are important to this team i mean they did save our season. i think both of them with melo will be great once they have time. but defending melo by bashing the rest of our good players is a little stupid

Don't leave Novak out of it either. He always comes through when it counts.
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2/24/2012  3:48 PM
As good as the Heat are - you have to discount this game for several reasons:
1) Lin has never faced Lebron and Co.
2) Lin is still learning and is VERY inexperienced so mistakes and bad games will happen
3) They played the night before, got to their hotel in Miami at 3am according to the commentators and then were expected to play the best team in the NBA - traveling like that takes a lot out of you

I still think the Heat are the better team but, let's see what happens when they play the Heat with a little rest and more experience playing together under their belt.

"If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just SUCK." Kenny Powers
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2/24/2012  3:48 PM
Syniko wrote:
JCrusher wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Lin is now coming back to earth and he will be a good point guard in our system. But if you think that you will have a Championship team with Chandler and Lin you are dreaming. Everyone needs to come back to earth and get real.

well melo wasn't exactly contending for titles all these years. lebron has at least been to 2 nba finals. Lin and Chandler are important to this team i mean they did save our season. i think both of them with melo will be great once they have time. but defending melo by bashing the rest of our good players is a little stupid

Don't leave Novak out of it either. He always comes through when it counts.

good point
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2/24/2012  7:50 PM
Papabear Says

Listen I'm not knocking Lin. I love him. He will be great but what I am saying is let's not discount Melo because if we are to win it all Melo will play a big part. First we must see whats wrong with Amare. Something is just not right. He is hiding something. I do beleive the next time we play the heat it will be a different game. But the heat is an awsome team a LeBron will leave it all out on the floor during the play-offs he will not be denied.

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2/24/2012  8:00 PM
Melo, Lin, and Chandler are all the most important pieces on this team for different reasons. Melo hasn't been up to this point, but obviously he is the type of talent that is needed to win championships.
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2/24/2012  8:29 PM
If Lin didn't blow up, this lose would have fallen on melo's shoulders. He has taken a lot of the pressure off of others.
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