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2/21/2012  10:18 PM
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/02/21/the-carmelo-jeremy-lin-fit-test-pt-1/?sct=nba_t12_a2

You can definitely see plays where opportunities for really easy baskets are created but just missed

- Chandler missing the wide open look to Amare that would have resulted in an easy dunk vs. the difficult play he had to complete.

- Lin missing Amare being wide open after coming off a Melo screen ("Carmelo as a screener for Lin")

I'm completely ok with rolling with MDA and the guys we have on this roster and building Continuity this season and next season. Amare is not going anywhere playing like he is right now and if he return to form..why trade him anyway? Melo isn't going anywhere. Lin isn't going anywhere. I wanna see the yoots develop. I like what Novak and Jefferies and Smith bring to the table. Hopefully Baron Davis play well and wants to stick around for a run with these guys and keeps flashing that magnificent beard of his.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/22/2012  1:48 AM
This proves nothing. All lies I tell you and the video was doctored. Melo needs to take more shots than lin is ridiculous. To even suggest that he runs PnRs with Lin on the court is crazy. The person should be fired for insulting basketball fan's intellegence.
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2/22/2012  2:18 AM
The only thing Knick fans need to understand is that this team has an unbelievable amount of potency and it's only a matter of time to work on some sets that will take advantage of those options. The Knicks are going to have some practice days and when they do I suspect that they'll work on the flow of their sets and how to move and move the ball in those sets.

It may not yet be obvious to Lin, Melo and STAT just how they can attack a defense with all of them in the lineup, but MDA will make that clear to them with time to practice. You can bet on it.
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2/22/2012  6:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2012  7:03 AM
At some point you have to stop deluding yourself with potential and realize that some things just can't work.

Melo is a talented player, no one is denying this. But he does not fit with what MDA is trying to do.

Carmelo Anthony is ANTI-BASKETBALL
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2/22/2012  7:05 AM
You choose either Melo or MDA.

I choose MDA; it's a fun style of play, it's a style that can win games, it's good basketball.

You might choose Melo, an ISO style, boring, ugly. But it will have some good individual moments.

They're both so big that you can't integrate Melo into MDA, and MDA will not and SHOULD NOT change his style for a player like Melo.

Lin and MDA over Melo any day of the week.

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2/22/2012  8:16 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:At some point you have to stop deluding yourself with potential and realize that some things just can't work.

Melo is a talented player, no one is denying this. But he does not fit with what MDA is trying to do.

1 game into playing with an MDA PG and we have a conclusion?

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2/22/2012  8:24 AM
martin wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:At some point you have to stop deluding yourself with potential and realize that some things just can't work.

Melo is a talented player, no one is denying this. But he does not fit with what MDA is trying to do.

1 game into playing with an MDA PG and we have a conclusion?

We've been saying "give time, give time" for close to a year now.

Lin hops in, magic things.

JR SWAGBALLS Smith comes from China, magic things.

Melo, despite being exposed to the Style since last season's trade, he can't make the magic.

Yea, he didn't have an MDA Point, this is true, but what good is an MDA Point if he will step on his toes, he will crush Jeremy Lin's toes?

The guy carries a hefty aura. He's a presence. It's his team or no team. The subtle psychological effects this has on everyone around him can't be put in the numbers, but they can be sensed. THey can be sensed by a fan watching the tube, a fan sitting at the arena, and certainly by the guys on the court.

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2/22/2012  8:28 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:At some point you have to stop deluding yourself with potential and realize that some things just can't work.

Melo is a talented player, no one is denying this. But he does not fit with what MDA is trying to do.

If that is the case, why did MDA start and play him so many minutes coming off the groin injury?

I mean, I've criticized MDA- and thought Melo should have been off the bench against the Nets with less minutes.

But, if MDA thought Melo gave him the best chance to win, even hurt, in his system - then he clearly showed it by starting him and playing him as much as he did.
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2/22/2012  8:37 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
martin wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:At some point you have to stop deluding yourself with potential and realize that some things just can't work.

Melo is a talented player, no one is denying this. But he does not fit with what MDA is trying to do.

1 game into playing with an MDA PG and we have a conclusion?

We've been saying "give time, give time" for close to a year now.

Lin hops in, magic things.

JR SWAGBALLS Smith comes from China, magic things.

Melo, despite being exposed to the Style since last season's trade, he can't make the magic.

Yea, he didn't have an MDA Point, this is true, but what good is an MDA Point if he will step on his toes, he will crush Jeremy Lin's toes?

The guy carries a hefty aura. He's a presence. It's his team or no team. The subtle psychological effects this has on everyone around him can't be put in the numbers, but they can be sensed. THey can be sensed by a fan watching the tube, a fan sitting at the arena, and certainly by the guys on the court.

you can't be exposed to something that is not there. no PG means no MDA style play.

And let's be clear: when it was part of USA basketball, Melo fit in just nicely.

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2/22/2012  8:59 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
martin wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:At some point you have to stop deluding yourself with potential and realize that some things just can't work.

Melo is a talented player, no one is denying this. But he does not fit with what MDA is trying to do.

1 game into playing with an MDA PG and we have a conclusion?

We've been saying "give time, give time" for close to a year now.

Lin hops in, magic things.

JR SWAGBALLS Smith comes from China, magic things.

Melo, despite being exposed to the Style since last season's trade, he can't make the magic.

Yea, he didn't have an MDA Point, this is true, but what good is an MDA Point if he will step on his toes, he will crush Jeremy Lin's toes?

The guy carries a hefty aura. He's a presence. It's his team or no team. The subtle psychological effects this has on everyone around him can't be put in the numbers, but they can be sensed. THey can be sensed by a fan watching the tube, a fan sitting at the arena, and certainly by the guys on the court.

JR looked like garbage in the NJ game, cmon dude. As for Lin, he was forced to become the offensive threat and definitely exceeded expectations, but if that were Melo w/ the crazy amount of TO's people would still be riding, even with the winning streak.

I get exactly what you're saying about Melo having a negative psychological affect on Lin, but I think we need a better sample size to see if your theory actually comes to fruition. They looked pretty good in that first quarter, no?
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2/22/2012  12:45 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:You choose either Melo or MDA.

I choose MDA; it's a fun style of play, it's a style that can win games, it's good basketball.

You might choose Melo, an ISO style, boring, ugly. But it will have some good individual moments.

They're both so big that you can't integrate Melo into MDA, and MDA will not and SHOULD NOT change his style for a player like Melo.

Lin and MDA over Melo any day of the week.

Didnt Melo play in a version of Dantoni's system during the olympics, that seemed to work very very well...Hello Gold Medal

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2/22/2012  12:57 PM
Melo and Lin don't have a problem playing with each other. The team as a whole has to get used to playing with Melo, STAT and Tyson at the same time. They haven't really played together this year. They'll get it figured out with practice and film sessions. If Melo was in mid season form they win that Nets game. This really isn't the problem that the media and some fans think it is.
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2/22/2012  1:13 PM
On that first video on the pick and roll, Lin could have slightly drove in to make Brooks commit and then kicked it out to Jr in the corner. Or Lin could have gave the ball to Chandler who might have drew in Humphries which would have given Amare a nice look at the basket if Chandler could make that pass.
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2/22/2012  1:27 PM
On the second video Fields should have flashed more toward the top corner of the 3. As Brooks is forced to cover ground for the Chandler roll to the basket. If Fields slides up harder to the top corner he gets a great look at the 3.
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2/22/2012  1:42 PM
On the 3rd video Chandler could have hit Amare right away, but didn't see him. Luckly Melo saw it though which is why he made the quick pass.

On the 4th video Amare was open in the high post but Lin missed him. Melo should have set a harder pick though to free up Lin rather then just flash.

On the 5th video Melo set an amazing pick to free Lin up but stayed to close to Lin and should have slid toward the outside to create more space. Though tailing him got an offensive board which he lost.

On the 6th video its shows the potential of a Melo on the pick and roll. Lineups like Melo, Novak, Harellson for short periods of time would be deadly depending on the match-up.

The Nets game wasn't about bad shots ugly forced shots like it was before, we just missed a lot of open looks, and missed on a ton more potential opportunities. Amare makes his 15fters, Melo makes his open looks and limits those turn overs, Smith and Novak make there open looks. We win that game despite Williams going unconscious.

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2/22/2012  1:52 PM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:You choose either Melo or MDA.

I choose MDA; it's a fun style of play, it's a style that can win games, it's good basketball.

You might choose Melo, an ISO style, boring, ugly. But it will have some good individual moments.

They're both so big that you can't integrate Melo into MDA, and MDA will not and SHOULD NOT change his style for a player like Melo.

Lin and MDA over Melo any day of the week.

at what point does this dude deserve a ban?

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2/22/2012  2:41 PM
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bruh. i was not the biggest fan of giving up dwight howard/lebron james $ for Melo. i mean i got into some heated debates with people on this board about how inefficient he is as a player.

but i don't know if it's fair to conclude that Melo cares more about pounding away 90% of the shot clock doing his iso thing than winning and playing team ball.

i can understand why you might feel that way and you might be right but the jury is still out.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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pretty good article/film segments on potential of Knicks offense once everyone learns how to play off each other
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