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earthmansurfer
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2/18/2012  12:12 PM
I had some time to play around on the below website.

Outside of the clear affect Lin is having on the team, I think the best way to compare and see what Lin is doing is to look at his per 36 (as his low minutes earlier totally skew his numbers) and his advanced stats. Advanced stats vs. some other top PG's are incredible. I included Rubio as well as they are both just starting off in the NBA and thought of highly.

Lin is more than holding his own. What stands out to me is that he is the lead scorer per 36 minutes and right along with the others in assists. Excellent FG% for the top 4 players here. (And his shooting lately confirms this.)

Lin has the second highest PER, highest usage rate (and TO amount, though not highest TOV%), among the others in steals, second highest true shooting % and effective FG%, 3rd in rebounding %, 1st in assist %, TO% is about on par with Rondo and Rubio, and on.

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Taken from http://www.basketball-reference.com/
The direct link if you wish to play with this: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=linje01&y1=2012&p2=rubiori01&y2=2012&p3=willide01&y3=2012&p4=paulch01&y4=2012&p5=rondora01&y5=2012&p6=rosede01&y6=2012#per_minute::none

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2/18/2012  12:17 PM
Lin has been outstanding overall in this small sample of games. The WS/48 is a better stat than PER though.
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2/18/2012  12:30 PM
Lin just has to learn how to make the defense do what he wants rather than force his way into what they want him to do. He gets so locked into still going inside even when the D is overplaying that drive. He has other options and really just being more patient would help him a lot. He's got a lot of talent tho and he's got the hardest job on the team. It'll really help when we get Baron healthy and he can take some of the pressure off.
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2/18/2012  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/18/2012  1:12 PM
Are U guys out of your minds with these per stats...We will have three other guys on the roster who are better than Lin..He should prob be our 4th option when we get going..From the looks of things, he thinks he is the first option and for a PG that isn't good.last night he waved of Amare for Chandler to set a pick and called his own number... Three more possessions later he was still calling his own number.. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come.. Can't wait until BD gets here to stop some of the hype..He is the future but he is also buying into the hype if you listen to the press conference ...Our best players are on the front line...PER stats against other PG is garbage when u look at it from our team setting..
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2/18/2012  12:54 PM
holfresh wrote:Are U guys out of your minds with these per stats...We will have three other guys on the roster who are better than Lin..He should prob be our 4th option when we get going..From the looks of things, he thinks he is the first option and for a PG that isn't good.last night he waved of Amare for Chandler to set a pick and called his own number... Three more possessions later he was still calling his own number.. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come.. Can't wait until BD gets here to stop some of the hype..He is the future but he is also buying into the hype if you listen to the press conference ...Our best players are on the front line...PER stats against other PG is garbage when u look at it from out team setting..

I think you missed the point.

All I am concerned about in this thread is our PG and I'm comparing him to some other ones. Just like Rondo has some great players to pass to, now Lin does too.

So, PER is garbage and what about all the other stats? I really don't see the point in your reply. Lin has been playing great in every start (overall) and the word "Hype" is not apt here.

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2/18/2012  12:59 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Are U guys out of your minds with these per stats...We will have three other guys on the roster who are better than Lin..He should prob be our 4th option when we get going..From the looks of things, he thinks he is the first option and for a PG that isn't good.last night he waved of Amare for Chandler to set a pick and called his own number... Three more possessions later he was still calling his own number.. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come.. Can't wait until BD gets here to stop some of the hype..He is the future but he is also buying into the hype if you listen to the press conference ...Our best players are on the front line...PER stats against other PG is garbage when u look at it from out team setting..

I think you missed the point.

All I am concerned about in this thread is our PG and I'm comparing him to some other ones. Just like Rondo has some great players to pass to, now Lin does too.

So, PER is garbage and what about all the other stats? I really don't see the point in your reply. Lin has been playing great in every start (overall) and the word "Hype" is not apt here.

Yeah i'm not sure where the word "Hype" would come from. He is playing very well, certainly as well as everyone is saying.

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2/18/2012  1:16 PM
Yo Lin is the real deal! What what?? Hoody hoo!

Guy is up there, man. Let him just get his ball bearings in place, for the smooth moves. Then he will dish it.

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2/18/2012  9:03 PM
holfresh wrote:Are U guys out of your minds with these per stats...We will have three other guys on the roster who are better than Lin..He should prob be our 4th option when we get going..From the looks of things, he thinks he is the first option and for a PG that isn't good.last night he waved of Amare for Chandler to set a pick and called his own number... Three more possessions later he was still calling his own number.. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come.. Can't wait until BD gets here to stop some of the hype..He is the future but he is also buying into the hype if you listen to the press conference ...Our best players are on the front line...PER stats against other PG is garbage when u look at it from our team setting..

Actually, he had good reason on waving off Amare and calling Tyson. The PF that was guarding Amare was disrupting the PnR while Kaman who was guarding Tyson was struggling with the PnR defense. I thought it was a good call on his part.

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2/19/2012  5:01 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
holfresh wrote:Are U guys out of your minds with these per stats...We will have three other guys on the roster who are better than Lin..He should prob be our 4th option when we get going..From the looks of things, he thinks he is the first option and for a PG that isn't good.last night he waved of Amare for Chandler to set a pick and called his own number... Three more possessions later he was still calling his own number.. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come.. Can't wait until BD gets here to stop some of the hype..He is the future but he is also buying into the hype if you listen to the press conference ...Our best players are on the front line...PER stats against other PG is garbage when u look at it from our team setting..

Actually, he had good reason on waving off Amare and calling Tyson. The PF that was guarding Amare was disrupting the PnR while Kaman who was guarding Tyson was struggling with the PnR defense. I thought it was a good call on his part.

Great point and I've seen him on a few occasions waive off or look off Shump and then find Novak. He is all about business. He isn't passing the ball to just get the ball moving and I love that about him. It is almost like before he makes a pass he often finds THE BEST guy to give it to, instead of just the open guy or the like.

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2/19/2012  8:21 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
holfresh wrote:Are U guys out of your minds with these per stats...We will have three other guys on the roster who are better than Lin..He should prob be our 4th option when we get going..From the looks of things, he thinks he is the first option and for a PG that isn't good.last night he waved of Amare for Chandler to set a pick and called his own number... Three more possessions later he was still calling his own number.. I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come.. Can't wait until BD gets here to stop some of the hype..He is the future but he is also buying into the hype if you listen to the press conference ...Our best players are on the front line...PER stats against other PG is garbage when u look at it from our team setting..

Actually, he had good reason on waving off Amare and calling Tyson. The PF that was guarding Amare was disrupting the PnR while Kaman who was guarding Tyson was struggling with the PnR defense. I thought it was a good call on his part.

Great point and I've seen him on a few occasions waive off or look off Shump and then find Novak. He is all about business. He isn't passing the ball to just get the ball moving and I love that about him. It is almost like before he makes a pass he often finds THE BEST guy to give it to, instead of just the open guy or the like.

My sentiments exactly

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2/19/2012  8:47 AM
The job of a point guard is to run the offense AND....to take what the defense gives him and make plays. Lin does that. He calls his own number within the flow of the offense.....never saw Lin make a play where I felt he took it ionhimself to get his. You must be thinking of John wall.
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2/19/2012  12:28 PM
EnySpree wrote:The job of a point guard is to run the offense AND....to take what the defense gives him and make plays. Lin does that. He calls his own number within the flow of the offense.....never saw Lin make a play where I felt he took it ionhimself to get his. You must be thinking of John wall.

It's hard to explain PG play to people unless you really dissect the play. You really have to look at game situations. Lin looks at what is given to him and makes decisions from there. In the first half, Lin had 8 TOs, he was so intent in getting Amare and Tyson going that he forced things in the paint. It wasn't going to happen. He needs to look at more Nash tapes. In games where Nash scored a lot of points it was in the beginning of the game. The other team played the passing lanes and sagged into his teammates. Left Nash open. Lin does this but for some reason he forgot in the last game. Lin just needs to go back to his play before the NOLA game and take what the defense gives him. When he starts torching them with midrange shots, they will adjust and the rollers will be open.

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2/19/2012  1:19 PM
I hope I am wrong but the addition of Amare at PF vs having a stretch 4 in Novak or a line up of

Lin
Iman
Fields
Novak
Tyson Chandler

seems to mesh better, with Lin being the focus of the offense, while his penetration, and the ability to stretch the court with TC in the paint alone, seems to be more effective as a unit. While Iman is the 2nd player that can take his man off the dribble and Fields shriving with the PnR at times as well. Most importantly, this line up allows Lin to have the room to penetrate, breaking the defense down, or/and allows a good look for an open shot. Everyone here moves the ball to the open man for the good shot, while Iman and Lin are the primary 2 players that can create their own shots and shoot off the dribble.

While a lineup of

Lin
Iman/Fields
Fields/Walker/Novak
JJ
Tyson Chandler

gives us our best defensive unit. Our team defense is superb while JJ has the foot speed, size, and length to anchor the defense with TC. With Lin/Iman being good defenders, staying in front of their match ups.

Amare is far much willing to play "team ball" but his 1v1 defense is horrible. He does provide better shot blocking but often doesn't box out and move well like JJ.
He has played his best basketball throughout his entire career with a good/great PG, versatile players that can spread the floor, and most importantly playing the Center causing a mismatch on both ends. He has the ability to penetrate vs a Center off the dribble, but needs the players that spread the floor as well, and can cover their own defensively.
He excels at the PnR, but it is at the Center position, but with TC in the paint, it would just cause the defense to pack the paint, and forcing us to shoot a shot, without the same good looks of having 4 shooters to spread the floor. TC is excels with that lineup because he has to just focus on beating his man for the rebound and position.

Adding JR Smith and Melo to the lineups surely adds talent but it is at the cost of CHEMISTRY. It is chemistry with the combination of either a lineup that can spread the floor
or having a good defensive unit, that has brought us these 7 game winning streak. The defensive we played during this streak were quite weak however, our talent wasn't very strong either. The last game vs New Orleans, the Knick's just looked totally out of it, like they partied hard together the night before with a lack of intensity/energy.
Credit has to be also given to defense of NO, with Vasquez's size, with Ariza length, and Kaman's size as well.

I hope we are able to find a way to work it out, build the chemistry needed to take us to the next level, and continue to maximize our lineups. By the end of the season or possibly even by the deadline, it could be possibly the best for our team to trade Amare and/or Melo for role players that fit team basketball. Players that maximize the strengths of

Lin
SG
Fields
PF
TC

Iman
Jorts
JJ
Novak


targeting players that mesh well together, with these players being FA's in the summer, using the salary Melo and/or Amare.
I think adding these type of players fit much better together, similar but far superior to the team that brought us the same 7 game winning streak.
Most importantly, with the same level of chemistry, ability to spread the floor, penetrate, and play good/great team defense, HIGH IQ BB players, and MOVE THE BALL effectively.
Adding some of these players to the roster above, is possible if we can dump both Amare and Melo. Stat is willing to play team basketball and probably holds far less value vs
Melo with an uninsured contract. I think he doesn't fit well with TC but if he have the right players, he can be a good player off the bench as the Center.
Having another player that can penetrate like Dragic would be needed, with shooters, and versatile players at the forward position.

Dragic or Sessions
Delfino/Ray Allen
Ilsonova
Wilson Chandler
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2/19/2012  3:13 PM
They just posted a stat that Lin has scored the most points in the NBA since 2/4.
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2/19/2012  10:13 PM
I did the same comparison as the one above but chose the first season of each PGs historical data. LIN leads in PER and WS/48

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=linje01&y1=2012&p2=nashst01&y2=1997&p3=rosede01&y3=2009&p4=rondora01&y4=2007&p5=paulch01&y5=2006&p6=willide01&y6=2006#per_minute::none

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