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Chandler is a monster--Amare and Carmelo have to fit the team--not the other way around
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BRIGGS
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2/9/2012  6:30 AM
He's almost like a Shaq down there. Hes enormous + powerful with good hands. He has no post up game but it does not matter with the our style of play. He needs to be avg atleast 18 pts a game(as in get him the FGAs)--his FG% is out of this world.

As far as I can see the two best players on this particular team are Lin and Chandler(and Chandler might be better because of Lin). Lin can set up people to score in this offense. I dont think he will avg 25 pts but I can see him avg 12+ assists to go with 14-15 pts. BUT we need NO ball hogging and the space we have now. I think Chandler is MY option 1 and then everyone else.


Novak has earned a long time role.. Maybe its best that Melo and Amare avg LESS minutes to keep away from injury and to ensure that we play the right way.

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2/9/2012  6:41 AM
What that really means is that Melo has to stop taking contested jump-shots and make better passing decisions.
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2/9/2012  6:43 AM
BRIGGS wrote:He's almost like a Shaq down there. Hes enormous + powerful with good hands. He has no post up game but it does not matter with the our style of play. He needs to be avg atleast 18 pts a game(as in get him the FGAs)--his FG% is out of this world.

As far as I can see the two best players on this particular team are Lin and Chandler(and Chandler might be better because of Lin). Lin can set up people to score in this offense. I dont think he will avg 25 pts but I can see him avg 12+ assists to go with 14-15 pts. BUT we need NO ball hogging and the space we have now. I think Chandler is MY option 1 and then everyone else.


Novak has earned a long time role.. Maybe its best that Melo and Amare avg LESS minutes to keep away from injury and to ensure that we play the right way.

You mean you want us to give someone shooting 70% more shots? That is just ridiculous!

And yes, Blake should have a regular role on this team.

I thought D'Antoni seemed hesitant to get Blake into the game last night.

I think Stat can fit, Melo is the one that needs to really rethink their game- and is there any reason Melo and Lin can't run pick and rolls? I mean, if JJ can set a good pick, surely Melo can learn/be taught?

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2/9/2012  6:51 AM
It is something to see the difference Chandler makes on D. We always used to get eaten up by teams inside, with or without centers. And Jorts was doing a good job till he got hurt. Also have to say Jordon, as bad as he is at times has potential as a backup - he reall alters shots.

Amare will fit in and Melo will HAVE TO find a way or be an outcast with the fans and then trade bait. He can go ISO but Much Much less. We just look so good with Lin running things. Can you imagine Stat and Chandler with Lin on the P&R? And Melo as well.

We have the beginnings of something special here and to me the center is Chandler and Lin. If Melo &/or Stat don't fit, they are assets, especially the former.

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2/9/2012  7:03 AM
I think what we're seeing this team with Lin and Chandler can do is prove to Antoni that he CAN afford to sit Melo or Stat if they're not playing "the right way". This really is the most unexpected and amazing turn of events I've witnessed as a Knick fan. To have $30+M worth of salary (3/5 of the team!) on the IR, your two supposed superstars, and your team playing infinitely BETTER, it's just really the thing of cheesy children's sports movies. Jeremy Lin is Teen Wolf!
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2/9/2012  7:28 AM
what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?
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Panos
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2/9/2012  7:32 AM
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

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2/9/2012  7:33 AM
I never want to read another mention of Chandler for Dwight Howard
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2/9/2012  7:48 AM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

Not whatever...this is the point about coaching, sharing the ball, defense.... get players who share the ball and defend and you will have a team that shares the ball and defends, regardless who is coaching.

You think a new coach is fixing Melo's style of play? Or Amares?

Amare will fit wonderfully with Lin's style of play.

Melo needs to watch whats happening

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2/9/2012  7:52 AM
Empower the coach.

Extend him.

Install stability and continuity.

If you want to attract some Veteran players to fill roles you have to have this.

Build a culture and do it without Isiah!

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2/9/2012  7:57 AM
SMH. Really man?

Seriously we are beating garbage teams.

Team is waiting to get exposed in the playoffs. We need to build around Melo.

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2/9/2012  7:59 AM
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

Not whatever...this is the point about coaching, sharing the ball, defense.... get players who share the ball and defend and you will have a team that shares the ball and defends, regardless who is coaching.

You think a new coach is fixing Melo's style of play? Or Amares?

Amare will fit wonderfully with Lin's style of play.

Melo needs to watch whats happening

dude, mda did not invent team basketball. It ain't rocket science. They played it until these divas took over the league, and they still play it in the rest of the world.
Mda wants to earn his keep, he needs to convert melo. Then I'll give him respect, not before.

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2/9/2012  8:04 AM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

Not whatever...this is the point about coaching, sharing the ball, defense.... get players who share the ball and defend and you will have a team that shares the ball and defends, regardless who is coaching.

You think a new coach is fixing Melo's style of play? Or Amares?

Amare will fit wonderfully with Lin's style of play.

Melo needs to watch whats happening

dude, mda did not invent team basketball. It ain't rocket science. They played it until these divas took over the league, and they still play it in the rest of the world.
Mda wants to earn his keep, he needs to convert melo. Then I'll give him respect, not before.


He at least needs to work with Melo on playing team ball. That includes benching him when he plays MElo ball. I haven't seen any indication that he's trying to get Melo to change.
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2/9/2012  8:07 AM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

Not whatever...this is the point about coaching, sharing the ball, defense.... get players who share the ball and defend and you will have a team that shares the ball and defends, regardless who is coaching.

You think a new coach is fixing Melo's style of play? Or Amares?

Amare will fit wonderfully with Lin's style of play.

Melo needs to watch whats happening

dude, mda did not invent team basketball. It ain't rocket science. They played it until these divas took over the league, and they still play it in the rest of the world.
Mda wants to earn his keep, he needs to convert melo. Then I'll give him respect, not before.

quite the challenge
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2/9/2012  8:07 AM
AnubisADL wrote:SMH. Really man?

Seriously we are beating garbage teams.

Team is waiting to get exposed in the playoffs. We need to build around Melo.

YOu build to your strength.

You build a team to enhance your best players.

There is no reason why any player willing to play team basketball can't succeed on an MDA team. Amare has and so can Melo.

In the last three games without Melo or Amare the talent on the other team is better but we outplayed them.

Its super important that the rest of the team be confident and step up. Also, Melo and Amare need to trust their fellow players and their abilities. Jordan until he learned this would still try to shoot into a triple team. Great Bull moments had Paxton, Kerr, Wennington, etc all making game winning shots when Jordan would pass out from an impossible situation. Jordan was still the best closer in the game but not every game, nor do we remember the failed attempts (as few as there were!).

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2/9/2012  8:11 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

Not whatever...this is the point about coaching, sharing the ball, defense.... get players who share the ball and defend and you will have a team that shares the ball and defends, regardless who is coaching.

You think a new coach is fixing Melo's style of play? Or Amares?

Amare will fit wonderfully with Lin's style of play.

Melo needs to watch whats happening

dude, mda did not invent team basketball. It ain't rocket science. They played it until these divas took over the league, and they still play it in the rest of the world.
Mda wants to earn his keep, he needs to convert melo. Then I'll give him respect, not before.


He at least needs to work with Melo on playing team ball. That includes benching him when he plays MElo ball. I haven't seen any indication that he's trying to get Melo to change.

Melo has had many spurts playing team ball and passing very well.

MDA can't exercise authority until they extend him. His authority is compromised until that happens.

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2/9/2012  8:25 AM
Nalod wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:what your seeing is MDA basketball as it was designed to be played. Space and ball movement. NOT chucking 3's, not jacking jumpers. MDA doesnt play centers? Seems Chandler looks pretty solid in this system when played right doesnt he?

Whatever. I'm seeing J Lin driving and sharing the rock, instead of a bunch of black holes.

Not whatever...this is the point about coaching, sharing the ball, defense.... get players who share the ball and defend and you will have a team that shares the ball and defends, regardless who is coaching.

You think a new coach is fixing Melo's style of play? Or Amares?

Amare will fit wonderfully with Lin's style of play.

Melo needs to watch whats happening

dude, mda did not invent team basketball. It ain't rocket science. They played it until these divas took over the league, and they still play it in the rest of the world.
Mda wants to earn his keep, he needs to convert melo. Then I'll give him respect, not before.


He at least needs to work with Melo on playing team ball. That includes benching him when he plays MElo ball. I haven't seen any indication that he's trying to get Melo to change.

Melo has had many spurts playing team ball and passing very well.

MDA can't exercise authority until they extend him. His authority is compromised until that happens.


At times he's shown good intentions and efforts. That's not enough to be a max contract player but maybe it gives some hope that some coach could reach him. (Heck, it's almost the weekend and I'm trying to be optimistic!)
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2/9/2012  8:39 AM
i mentioned this same notion in the game-thread last night and i'll mention it here again.

i agree that melo and stat need to fit themselves into this offense, not the other around. i think most people here agree that amear will not have an issue playing this style of basketball because he's done so for so many years with nash and d'antoni, that's not a problem. the issue will be how melo fits himself in here, but the thing is that melo WANTED to come to NY, he WANTED to play here, so we know his heart is with this team. i think he does everything he can to fit his game in. and make no mistake about it, melo playing team basketball makes us an infinitely better team and when the games on the line we will need his iso-ability.

the other point i want to make is that i think his injury came at the best time possible. i don't know if he actually would have taken lin seriously before this (obviously i don't know that) and now that he's seeing what he's doing with this team he knows that this is the guy that should be bringing the ball up every single time and that he's the floor-general out there. i think that's huge. now melo will get the ball in better shots and knows he doesn't have to carry the team on his back and all these things combined will only make melo a better statistical player.

amazing what a PG can do for you.

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2/9/2012  8:46 AM
U guys know we just played the Wizards, Nets and Jazz right?
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2/9/2012  8:52 AM
holfresh wrote:U guys know we just played the Wizards, Nets and Jazz right?

we couldn't even beat my high-schools JV team before holfresh and now we are playing the best offensive ball we've seen here in who knows how long. i don't think anyone is saying we are going to win the championship, but the way we've won those 3 games has been pretty damn good.

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Chandler is a monster--Amare and Carmelo have to fit the team--not the other way around

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