HARDCORE you run your mouth all the time about how sorry the knicks were before IT then you flip like a burger and now everyone has no right to be negative !!! You hate on KVH ( yes i read all the posts ) but then again you switch like transvestite and give praise to a chump like TT who is the worst overpaid player on the squad ( value on the court per dollar ) Atleast KVH & H2O gave you scoring & rebs !!! I truely wish the knicks well but we gambled and lost on the last trade. I keep hearing how Nazr was the key, but he couldn't dunk a doughnut !!

Posted by TheGhostOfKVH:

HARDCORE you run your mouth all the time about how sorry the knicks were before IT then you flip like a burger and now everyone has no right to be negative !!! You hate on KVH ( yes i read all the posts ) but then again you switch like transvestite and give praise to a chump like TT who is the worst overpaid player on the squad ( value on the court per dollar ) Atleast KVH & H2O gave you scoring & rebs !!! I truely wish the knicks well but we gambled and lost on the last trade. I keep hearing how Nazr was the key, but he couldn't dunk a doughnut !!

Ghost make your self visible more often, Hardcore has been getting a free ride and needs to be put on notice more often. Good evaluation man.

just like my last post, isiah trades a bunch of black players no one cares, he trades two white guys and brings in two black guys then he is a racist.

instead of seeing damn near most of the nba is black and if you make a trade most of the guys you get back is black, they resort to this ignorance.

instead of seeing Brad miller becoming a star under isiah....

yall get the point....just like white people sticking up for keith and not caring if anyone calls Houston soft..

it's basketball lets forget the race factor, maybe Tim is soft i havent seen enough of him, but we werent going any way with Keith, white black or other wise. he played Good for one week, he stunk his last few games as a knicks

Posted by ARES:

I just want a winner who cares the ethnicity.

nice said.

Not including Kurt Thomas who is a free agent, we have a payroll of roughly 92MM with 12 guaranteed contracts. Salaries on average rise 15% each year--when you have a huge payroll 15% is a lot of $$$.

Penny has an *opt in* next year which will make his contract guaranteed through 2006 for more than 15mm per year.

Im pretty sure KT will command something like 3 years 24 mm since he is opting out at nearly 6MM. He's only going to opt out if a club is willing to pay, and 3 years and 24 mm for KT from a club like San Antonio is a good investment for them.

So--this is pretty much the team. the only way to change the team from this point is

A. Trading a future 1 to a team who is looking for cap space and would rather pass on the draft.
B. Spending more money--do the Knicks break the 100MM$ barrier--I think that someone--some accountant somehwere is going to finally get someone other than Dolan to pull back here. This payroll is obscene for a poor club. How can they justify increasing payroll after taking on 150$$+ this year????
C. getting lucky with small moves 2nd round picks lower level exemp
D. trading the rest of our expiring contracts next year i.e deke harrington trybanski williams


KVH was IMHO, our last BIG asset that doesnt include taking on more salary. He is a tradeable commodity because he is a core starter, Tim Thomas only has value as a salary deal because he is drastically overpaid.

We didnt really get younger other than Marbury. Nazr is another undersized C and KVH was drafted in the same year as TT although he is 2 years older--but a much better player.

A lot of this depends on the pocketbook--although this revelationabout wanting to trade KT for Malik Rose in conjuction with the KVh trade, has me doubting Thomas:>)

The problem is that before the last trades Marbury was pretty effective surrounded by "boring" players who could shoot and move w/o the ball. Now we have a potential high draft pick at stake ARGGG

Sorry, this is a quote from an old post, but I had to chime in: Whoopie! We'll get his career playoff avg of 12.8ppg and 4 boards from TT and call him the missing piece to our championship puzzle. :)

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Good point, Daf. IMO that was a major factor in why Isiah made the trade. He's going to bring that same playoff production out of TT on a nightly basis during the remainder of the season.


[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 02/23/2004 19:07:34]