Posted by simrud:

Tim Thomas is awful. One of the worst players I have seen in a while. The team sucks right now. Mohammed is a waste of space. No chemistry. This keeps up and in a couple of games we will be out of the playoffs.

yea bucks fan must be loving it. with kvh we probably win this game

i think isiah just wanted to move kvh outta here cause hes a Layden player. didnt isiah say that trading spree "wasnt my move"

Tim Thomas seems to be way too passive. Maybe KVh looked like that in the past but this year he was a lot more agressive putting shots up.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/22/2004 16:15:29]

We did beat Detroit after making the trade.

Oh wait that's because TT and Nazr didn't play!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/22/2004 16:40:50]

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 02/22/2004 16:41:08]

The only thing I liked about this trade is Nazi Mohammed, but its clear we need a center that's more like Doleac right now than Mohammed.

Plain and simple, if Isiah wanted to make a deal like this, it should have been at the end of the year. The Knicks could not afford to trade a the best player in the deal and get two guys back. They were supposed to be giving the two guys for the best player.

But the thing that bugs me most is that Isiah should've realized that Allan Houston wasn't coming back anytime soon. Doc Rivers said himself that he saw Houston practice and looked like it would be a long time untill he would be able to come back. That raises a red flag for multiple reasons.

a) With Allan Houston out, Doleac and Van Horn are your best shooters. Now without Doleac and Van Horn, we barely have anyone outside of Marbury who's capable of consistently hitting a 3 or an outside J. That makes us a very one dimensional offense, considering we still don't have post players. All we have are slashers.

b) With Allan Houston out, Van Horn was a key cog as the second option on this team. Now with no Van Horn there is no 2nd or 3rd option. Kurt Thomas can't be your second option because he needs someone to set him up. We are a very Marbury heavy team now, and when he struggles for 3.5 quarters as he did today, we have nothing. Tim Thomas can't be depended on to score. He can't shoot like Van Horn, and he doesn't attack the rim the same way.

c) Tim Thomas can't board. At least Van Horn was a willing rebounder who hit the offensive glass. The last two games we've been absolutely killed on the offensive boards. Wonder why? Well we only have two guys hitting the glass most of the time instead of 3.

It might make us more athletic in the long run, but your athletes have to be able to play. And we might get a better young center in the long run, but the one we had fit better for this team right now.

Bottom line is, how many adjustment periods does this team need to have? They were playing really good ball before the trade (KT suspension games not withstanding). This was one move that should've waited for later...

We won't be out of the playoffs, but we might not get out of the 6,7,8 territory now, which is huge considering how well the Nets are playing, how good Indy is, and how much Detroit improved by adding Wallace. Milwaukee should get better with the addition of Van Horn, and I don't think New Orleans will continue to play as badly as they have recently. We're gonna have to step up our play, and we really couldn't afford to take another step back for a few games.

Perhaps playing on the road will reduce the pressure on Thomas and Mohammed and they'll play better. Hopefully.

Posted by VDesai:

We won't be out of the playoffs, but we might not get out of the 6,7,8 territory now, which is huge considering how well the Nets are playing, how good Indy is, and how much Detroit improved by adding Wallace. Milwaukee should get better with the addition of Van Horn, and I don't think New Orleans will continue to play as badly as they have recently. We're gonna have to step up our play, and we really couldn't afford to take another step back for a few games.

Perhaps playing on the road will reduce the pressure on Thomas and Mohammed and they'll play better. Hopefully.

Were you expecting more than a 5,6,7 spot year? I would've been happy if we made the 7th spot! TT will come around I'm sure of it. I liked KVH too but I definately dont think he would've bailed us out of a Cleaveland loss.

Wasn't he on the team the first two times we played the Cavs this year? We still lost.

We will still be a 4th or 5th seed.

Zeke thought that by dropping KVH and picking up TT that the knicks would be a running machine. NAZR PLAYED FOR A LOSING TEAM ATL so he doesn't know what it takes to win under pressure. KVH played in finals and gave knicks brass no reason to trade him instead of KT SET SHOT SHOOTING TAIL.