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s3231
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1/18/2012  11:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  11:17 PM
As of now (including tonight's game), Knicks rank 20th in offensive efficiency at 0.87 points per possession. One of the drivers of that low efficiency is Isolation play (accounting for 16% of our offense), where we put up 0.65 ppp (rank 29 in the league).

Coincidentally, Melo's game is primarily Iso right now at 32% of his offensive repertoire and at 0.64 ppp. Earlier this year, I shared some stats that showed Melo was top 50 in offensive efficiency on top of his great scoring....well, that has dropped considerably thanks to the recent struggles (he is now at a rank of 146). We need him to get healthy and he is killing us right now with the volume of shots he has been taking in the past 2 games (he put up 0.5 ppp tonight, by far the worst of season for him).

On defense, we rank 15 at 0.86 ppp.

Just to drive the point home, we are losing primarily because of OFFENSE, not defense.

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nyk4ever
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1/19/2012  12:01 AM
two most important things in mike d'antoni's system... pg and shooting.

we have neither. not much more to discuss than that. d'antoni has been ripped since the day he got here about not having any defense. well now it's improved but the offense has taken a step back because we don't have a PG or shooting, which are musts not only for a d'antoni team, but ANY team. d'antoni just relies on the more heavily.

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1/19/2012  12:07 AM
Our problem is that Amare is not producing either. His Jumper is off, He cannot create offense much anymore. It's becoming Melo vs the other team.
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1/19/2012  12:10 AM
colombian0725 wrote:Our problem is that Amare is not producing either. His Jumper is off, He cannot create offense much anymore. It's becoming Melo vs the other team.

amear never could create offense. he hasn't taken a step back, to me he looks as explosive as ever. the problem is that he's not getting the ball in a position for him to score. his game is predicated on speed and the flow of the offense and right now we have neither. again, give me a PG who can run an offense and speed the game up and i'll give you a much better amear.

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1/19/2012  12:12 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:Our problem is that Amare is not producing either. His Jumper is off, He cannot create offense much anymore. It's becoming Melo vs the other team.

amear never could create offense. he hasn't taken a step back, to me he looks as explosive as ever. the problem is that he's not getting the ball in a position for him to score. his game is predicated on speed and the flow of the offense and right now we have neither. again, give me a PG who can run an offense and speed the game up and i'll give you a much better amear.

Explosive as ever? not blowing by his man like before? Getting rejected one on one?

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1/19/2012  12:13 AM
colombian0725 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:Our problem is that Amare is not producing either. His Jumper is off, He cannot create offense much anymore. It's becoming Melo vs the other team.

amear never could create offense. he hasn't taken a step back, to me he looks as explosive as ever. the problem is that he's not getting the ball in a position for him to score. his game is predicated on speed and the flow of the offense and right now we have neither. again, give me a PG who can run an offense and speed the game up and i'll give you a much better amear.

Explosive as ever? not blowing by his man like before? Getting rejected one on one?

amear isn't suited for a slow-down game like we're playing because he doesn't have the skillset to go one on one with defenders - he never did. he doesn't look explosive because we're not playing uptempo.

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1/19/2012  12:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2012  12:15 AM
he's never been one to go one on one. All the highlights you see from the past he is getting set up. Going to the basket full speed without having to dribble much
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1/19/2012  4:09 AM
colombian0725 wrote:Our problem is that Amare is not producing either. His Jumper is off, He cannot create offense much anymore. It's becoming Melo vs the other team.

Amar'e used to have an ill-nasty mid-range J.

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1/19/2012  8:03 AM
nyk4ever wrote:two most important things in mike d'antoni's system... pg and shooting.

we have neither. not much more to discuss than that. d'antoni has been ripped since the day he got here about not having any defense. well now it's improved but the offense has taken a step back because we don't have a PG or shooting, which are musts not only for a d'antoni team, but ANY team. d'antoni just relies on the more heavily.

Why has Melo gotten worse this year?

Its not PG play. I think D'Antoni isn't really paying attention to what's going on.

Yes, Melo is hurt. But the coach of our team needs to get these guys on the same page, and play team ball.

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1/19/2012  8:09 AM
gunsnewing wrote:he's never been one to go one on one. All the highlights you see from the past he is getting set up. Going to the basket full speed without having to dribble much

He has a decent post game from what I remember in PHX. Problem is he is operating in the same role as Brad Lohaus used to.

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1/19/2012  8:11 AM
franco12 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:two most important things in mike d'antoni's system... pg and shooting.

we have neither. not much more to discuss than that. d'antoni has been ripped since the day he got here about not having any defense. well now it's improved but the offense has taken a step back because we don't have a PG or shooting, which are musts not only for a d'antoni team, but ANY team. d'antoni just relies on the more heavily.

Why has Melo gotten worse this year?

Its not PG play. I think D'Antoni isn't really paying attention to what's going on.

Yes, Melo is hurt. But the coach of our team needs to get these guys on the same page, and play team ball.

He playing with a bad wheel and a bad wrist. If he keeps playing like this it would be better to sit him for a few to heal up and let STAT carry the team for a bit. Practice is huge with a bunch of new players and we haven't had many thus far. Melo will be fine and so will the Knicks.

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1/19/2012  8:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2012  8:29 AM
franco12 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:two most important things in mike d'antoni's system... pg and shooting.

we have neither. not much more to discuss than that. d'antoni has been ripped since the day he got here about not having any defense. well now it's improved but the offense has taken a step back because we don't have a PG or shooting, which are musts not only for a d'antoni team, but ANY team. d'antoni just relies on the more heavily.

Why has Melo gotten worse this year?

Its not PG play. I think D'Antoni isn't really paying attention to what's going on.

Yes, Melo is hurt. But the coach of our team needs to get these guys on the same page, and play team ball.

d'antoni can only say the same thing over and over, it's up to the players to do it.. once you get on the court, the PG is the floor general and it's up to HIM to get the guys to be playing team-ball, because it's his repsonsibility to spread the ball around and get it to guys where they need it and will be successful with it. our pg right now is a SG, aka he's not a PG and doesn't know how to control tempo of the game which is killing amear.

also, how has melo regressed? he's injured everywhere and he's even averaging over 4apg this year. sure his shooting % is down but i believe its due to injuries and by the end of the year it'll be where it's supposed to be.

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1/19/2012  8:32 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
franco12 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:two most important things in mike d'antoni's system... pg and shooting.

we have neither. not much more to discuss than that. d'antoni has been ripped since the day he got here about not having any defense. well now it's improved but the offense has taken a step back because we don't have a PG or shooting, which are musts not only for a d'antoni team, but ANY team. d'antoni just relies on the more heavily.

Why has Melo gotten worse this year?

Its not PG play. I think D'Antoni isn't really paying attention to what's going on.

Yes, Melo is hurt. But the coach of our team needs to get these guys on the same page, and play team ball.

d'antoni can only say the same thing over and over, it's up to the players to do it.. once you get on the court, the PG is the floor general and it's up to HIM to get the guys to be playing team-ball, because it's his repsonsibility to spread the ball around and get it to guys where they need it and will be successful with it. our pg right now is a SG, aka he's not a PG and doesn't know how to control tempo of the game which is killing amear.

Who was the floor general on Michael Jordan's Bulls?

Did Michael wait for the BJ Armstrong to tell him where to go on offense?

No - MJ was the leader, and drove the offense.

MDA wanted Melo to be a point forward - and the stats shared earlier showed that was working.

But that play has degraded. Part of it is Melo is hurt, but more so, the issue is Melo is going one and one more, trying to shoot the team to victory.

Coach is supposed to correct that. Sit him if needed, because Bill Walker or Balkman could have shot better than Melo did last night, and the last several games.

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1/19/2012  8:49 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:Our problem is that Amare is not producing either. His Jumper is off, He cannot create offense much anymore. It's becoming Melo vs the other team.

Amar'e used to have an ill-nasty mid-range J.

I think that will improve back to where it was last season. Melo and Stoudemire work so hard for their shots because of the lack of a PG and lack of shooting. There is no PG creating easy finishes for them and no spacing. They are 2 of the best finishers in the game and if we can add back these 2 aspects it will make things much easier for them.

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1/19/2012  8:53 AM
franco12 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
franco12 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:two most important things in mike d'antoni's system... pg and shooting.

we have neither. not much more to discuss than that. d'antoni has been ripped since the day he got here about not having any defense. well now it's improved but the offense has taken a step back because we don't have a PG or shooting, which are musts not only for a d'antoni team, but ANY team. d'antoni just relies on the more heavily.

Why has Melo gotten worse this year?

Its not PG play. I think D'Antoni isn't really paying attention to what's going on.

Yes, Melo is hurt. But the coach of our team needs to get these guys on the same page, and play team ball.

d'antoni can only say the same thing over and over, it's up to the players to do it.. once you get on the court, the PG is the floor general and it's up to HIM to get the guys to be playing team-ball, because it's his repsonsibility to spread the ball around and get it to guys where they need it and will be successful with it. our pg right now is a SG, aka he's not a PG and doesn't know how to control tempo of the game which is killing amear.

Who was the floor general on Michael Jordan's Bulls?

Did Michael wait for the BJ Armstrong to tell him where to go on offense?

No - MJ was the leader, and drove the offense.

MDA wanted Melo to be a point forward - and the stats shared earlier showed that was working.

But that play has degraded. Part of it is Melo is hurt, but more so, the issue is Melo is going one and one more, trying to shoot the team to victory.

Coach is supposed to correct that. Sit him if needed, because Bill Walker or Balkman could have shot better than Melo did last night, and the last several games.

no actually ron harper did a great job of being a floor general for both those teams and kobe/shaq lakers.

from Hahn:

Mike D'Antoni uses the word 'crisis' in his postgame comments off the Knicks' loss to Suns. This looks nothing like his offense, mainly because there is no PG to orchestrate it.. No flow, no rhythm. D'Antoni looks exasperated. Baron Davis can't be ready soon enough...(via MSG Network):
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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