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franco12
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1/16/2012  3:55 PM
Help me understand, as this has been one of those trademarks of D'Antoni's knicks.

Surely, we've improved our personnel, with Chandler & Shumpert. We have a new, defensive coach.

What am I missing?

Could we being hurt by the constant switching? Do teams know they are going to be wide open, and enjoy taking three's against us?
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1/16/2012  3:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2012  4:06 PM
franco12 wrote:Help me understand, as this has been one of those trademarks of D'Antoni's knicks.

Surely, we've improved our personnel, with Chandler & Shumpert. We have a new, defensive coach.

What am I missing?

Could we being hurt by the constant switching? Do teams know they are going to be wide open, and enjoy taking three's against us?

Chandler and Shumpert don't guard everyone on the court.

Mike Woodson is quite worthless. Overrated coach, even more overrated "defensive" coach and simply hasn't done anything to make me think he's making any impact on the team.

The defense has, more or less, been the same for a decade. I'm not sure why we play such poor defense but I think it has to do primarily with management not bringing in defenders all these years and focusing their attention on talented scorers instead.

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1/16/2012  4:11 PM
Thats what I hate the most- watching scrub after scrub after scrub have a career game against us, and any competant shooter blast the s*** out of us.

I think it's because we leave them open at the start of the game, they get their confidence going and so by the time we do actually start contesting shots, it's too late, they're on a roll. And then next time they face us they have the confidence before the game starts. Other players watch the game and think they can have a great game against us too. It really, really p***es me off.
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1/16/2012  4:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2012  4:21 PM
One of the major problems is for some reason, our defensive philospphy is to switch on 80% of the picks. This creates mismatches. How many times did Howard set the pick out top and Chandler switched to guard the perimeter player? Chandler didn't want to come out and guard leaving space for JJ, Hedo or whoever to launch. We need to fight over the sceeens and either trap or show hard out top with the big and recover.

Switching causes so many problems. The guard gets stuck with a big down low causing a mismatch and then the big doesn't want to come al the way to guard the perimeter player giving them space to shoot.
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1/16/2012  4:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/16/2012  4:17 PM
Because they know our perimeter defense sucks, courtesy of Mike D'antoni.
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1/16/2012  4:20 PM
Uptown wrote:One of the major problems is for some reason, pr defensive philospphy is to switch on 80% of the picks.

That's the disturbing thing- D'Antoni clarified that the policy is not to switch, but that every time it happens, it's due to a player missing their assignment. Yes, that means 80% of the time our players screw up their defensive assignment.
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1/16/2012  6:37 PM
Our defenders are not required to go over the pick and stick with their man. In most instances, there is a switch which causes a mismatch. The mismatch causes a double team, and with quick, accurate passes, the ball moves to the open man. Somebody needs to light a fire under our defensive coach.
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1/16/2012  7:09 PM
We have some personnel (bigs) that hedge on screens and others that don't. Amare is the main culprit for switching, as he is virtually immobile on defense. Immobile and incompetent. He doesn't show to deny the ballhandler's penetration which results in a wide open shot most of the time. Another guy that switches is Jeffries and I don't have a problem with it if he does it sparingly. He is capable of guarding perimeter players somewhat effectively, so switching could take the ballhandler by surprise and disrupt their offense.

Our other bigs can hedge fairly well. But sometimes they don't know whether to switch or hedge, and that confusion results in a wide open shot 100% of the time. That's my biggest problem. We should have a strict philosophy as to how to defend pnr's in order to avoid that confusion.

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1/16/2012  7:11 PM
smackeddog wrote:Thats what I hate the most- watching scrub after scrub after scrub have a career game against us, and any competant shooter blast the s*** out of us.

I think it's because we leave them open at the start of the game, they get their confidence going and so by the time we do actually start contesting shots, it's too late, they're on a roll. And then next time they face us they have the confidence before the game starts. Other players watch the game and think they can have a great game against us too. It really, really p***es me off.

hit it on the dot. I was surprised at how many open threes Orlando missed in the first half. Redick was the only one who could capitalize. After enough wide open looks, these guys don't fvcking miss.

And it's somebody different every game.

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1/16/2012  9:36 PM
The Knicks had to make a decision about how to handle Howard. Did they want to risk letting him beat them, or did they prefer to take their chances with losing from the outside open man. They decided to double Howard frequently, and that left an open player outside.

Unfortunately for the Knicks, the open man shot very well in the second half. That was the problem yesterday.
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1/16/2012  10:06 PM
Knicks are 8th in Hollingers Defensive efficiency. I'd say they are improved.
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1/16/2012  11:25 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Uptown wrote:One of the major problems is for some reason, pr defensive philospphy is to switch on 80% of the picks.

That's the disturbing thing- D'Antoni clarified that the policy is not to switch, but that every time it happens, it's due to a player missing their assignment. Yes, that means 80% of the time our players screw up their defensive assignment.

really? I thought he was big into switching. have I missed something?

what does this say about his preparation of the team? clearly something is missing.
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1/16/2012  11:27 PM
The Knicks are better defensively, though there's something to be said that FG% is waaaay down thus far. Lots of erratic games early on.

Something needs to be corrected in Stoudemire's game. There was always something lacking in his game from a defensive rotation standpoint in all of his epic playoff moments with the Suns. Subtleties that kept him from being the complete player Duncan is. It's really quite fascinating when you look at the comparable skills and athleticism of certain players, and wonder what's stopped them from becoming more complete players...

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1/17/2012  6:58 AM
Andrew wrote:Knicks are 8th in Hollingers Defensive efficiency. I'd say they are improved.

it would appear that we've slide to 11th.

Give them time, and I'm sure they will slide further.
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1/17/2012  9:00 AM
This is where nixluva would shine.

He'd have charts and graphs showing whether it's actually poor execution or just the fact that Dantone has no effing clue how to guard against his own favorite offensive schemes. Comparisons of all opponent's open 3's versus MikeD's facial expressions/physical reactions.

Maybe Coach is doing this as some sort of psycho rant against Dolan for not giving him players that fit his system...

"Dear JimmieD,
Please notice how other teams are beating the living sheehit out of us on the perimeter. Notice how Boris Diaw has career games against us? Ryan Canderson is great now too. Do you notice how great my system can work with the right personnel? If you could just get me 4 or 5 6'10 guys who could all shoot threes and a younger Nash, I'd be justified and everyone would acknowledge me for the true genius I am.

With much love,
your coach,
West Va"
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