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ChuckBuck
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1/13/2012  11:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/13/2012  12:54 PM
It's too early to say this team is a contender or this team is garbage.
Way to early to say fire the coach or make a trade.
Way to early to say someone's MVP or ROY.
It's going to be tough sledding for all teams in the NBA, the trick is staying healthy, getting into the playoffs, and gelling at the right time.

We just got to get into the playoffs with our team intact and who knows, maybe we have some Deja Vu:

1999 New York Knicks (8th Seed, 27-23)

Eastern Conference 1998-1999 season
Team W L
1 Miami Heat 33 17
2 Indiana Pacers 33 17
3 Orlando Magic 33 17
4 Atlanta Hawks 31 19
5 Detroit Pistons 29 21
6 Phil. 76ers 28 22
7 Milwaukee Bucks 28 22
8 New York Knicks 27 23

Some interesting stats from the 1999 Knicks

PTS/G: 86.4 (27th of 29) ▪ Opp PTS/G: 85.4 (4th of 29)

Starting Lineup:

Ewing (17 pts/10 reb/3 blks)
Kurt Thomas (8 pts/6 reb)
LJ (12 pts/6 reb)
Houston (16 pts/3 ast)
Ward (8 pts/5 ast/2 stls)

Bench:

Sprewell (16 pts/4 reb/1 stls)
Camby (7 pts/6 reb/2 blks)
Childs (7 pts/4 ast/1 stls)

Not a juggernaut of a team at all, but got hot at the right time, and made it all the way to the finals with an injured Ewing.


Not saying we can get to the NBA Finals, but if we can get hot at the right time, anything can happen. Once Baron Davis is healthy, and hopefully land Kenyon Martin, we should have a complete roster full of studs and role players. If we don't make the playoffs or somehow get swept in the 1st round, then please **** all over the team and jump off the ship. Just remember we just have to make it in, and maybe we'll have that '99 Knicks magic or better yet that '07 NY Giants(6th seed Wildcard) or '11 Green Packers(6th seed Wildcard)Playoffs Run.
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smackeddog
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1/13/2012  12:25 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Eastern Conference 1998-1999 season
Team W L
1 Miami Heat 33 17
2 Indiana Pacers 33 17
3 Orlando Magic 33 17
4 Atlanta Hawks 31 19
5 Detroit Pistons 29 21
6 Phil. 76ers 28 22
7 Milwaukee Bucks 28 22
8 New York Knicks 27 23

Why, I pick the Heat to win it all- an 8th seed has never beaten a number 1 seed!

It's kind of reassurring looking at the bench of that team- though I'm sure you've left some players out- like Chris Dudley, the finest FT shooter ever. I was atching one of those playoff games on youtube last year, and I forgot that Kurt Thomas wasn't some seasoned vet at that point in his career, but was a young player prone to make young player mistakes.

I'd like to see what we can do if we make the playoffs- my fear is that one injury to Amar'e or melo or maybe even Chandler, that keeps them out for a few weeks, will sink us- we might not even make the playoffs. Whats surprised me is that without BD, we don't even have a PG on the level of Chris Childs or Charlie Ward! I thought Toney Douglas could at least be a Chris Childs!
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1/13/2012  12:51 PM
smackeddog wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Eastern Conference 1998-1999 season
Team W L
1 Miami Heat 33 17
2 Indiana Pacers 33 17
3 Orlando Magic 33 17
4 Atlanta Hawks 31 19
5 Detroit Pistons 29 21
6 Phil. 76ers 28 22
7 Milwaukee Bucks 28 22
8 New York Knicks 27 23

Why, I pick the Heat to win it all- an 8th seed has never beaten a number 1 seed!

It's kind of reassurring looking at the bench of that team- though I'm sure you've left some players out- like Chris Dudley, the finest FT shooter ever. I was atching one of those playoff games on youtube last year, and I forgot that Kurt Thomas wasn't some seasoned vet at that point in his career, but was a young player prone to make young player mistakes.

I'd like to see what we can do if we make the playoffs- my fear is that one injury to Amar'e or melo or maybe even Chandler, that keeps them out for a few weeks, will sink us- we might not even make the playoffs. Whats surprised me is that without BD, we don't even have a PG on the level of Chris Childs or Charlie Ward! I thought Toney Douglas could at least be a Chris Childs!

Didn't I just give you the example of the '99 Knicks(8th seed)? Also the '07 Golden State Warriors beat the 1st seed Dallas Mavericks.
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1/13/2012  12:56 PM
JVG was stubborn with that team and really didn't let Sprewell and Camby go. That's a tough comparision with the depth that Knick team had at every single position. Childs, Spree, Camby, Dudley was our second unit. That team played defense and had leadership at virtually every position.

If you break down the matchups in the Dallas series Golden State matched up perfectly against them and had advatanges at nearly every position. They also blasted Dallas 3-1 in the regular season. (Davis, Richardson, Ellis, Jackson, Harrington, Biedrins,etc)
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1/13/2012  1:18 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Eastern Conference 1998-1999 season
Team W L
1 Miami Heat 33 17
2 Indiana Pacers 33 17
3 Orlando Magic 33 17
4 Atlanta Hawks 31 19
5 Detroit Pistons 29 21
6 Phil. 76ers 28 22
7 Milwaukee Bucks 28 22
8 New York Knicks 27 23

Why, I pick the Heat to win it all- an 8th seed has never beaten a number 1 seed!

It's kind of reassurring looking at the bench of that team- though I'm sure you've left some players out- like Chris Dudley, the finest FT shooter ever. I was atching one of those playoff games on youtube last year, and I forgot that Kurt Thomas wasn't some seasoned vet at that point in his career, but was a young player prone to make young player mistakes.

I'd like to see what we can do if we make the playoffs- my fear is that one injury to Amar'e or melo or maybe even Chandler, that keeps them out for a few weeks, will sink us- we might not even make the playoffs. Whats surprised me is that without BD, we don't even have a PG on the level of Chris Childs or Charlie Ward! I thought Toney Douglas could at least be a Chris Childs!

Didn't I just give you the example of the '99 Knicks(8th seed)? Also the '07 Golden State Warriors beat the 1st seed Dallas Mavericks.

It was a joke, man! I remember throughout that series every single pundit kept whining about how an "eight seed has never beaten a number 1 seed", and kept having it pop on screen during one of the games- it annoyed the crap out of me.
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1/13/2012  1:21 PM
MS wrote:JVG was stubborn with that team and really didn't let Sprewell and Camby go. That's a tough comparision with the depth that Knick team had at every single position. Childs, Spree, Camby, Dudley was our second unit. That team played defense and had leadership at virtually every position.

If you break down the matchups in the Dallas series Golden State matched up perfectly against them and had advatanges at nearly every position. They also blasted Dallas 3-1 in the regular season. (Davis, Richardson, Ellis, Jackson, Harrington, Biedrins,etc)

That's why there's no need to write the team off yet. You can't see Shumpert being our Sprewell off the bench? Baron Davis can probably run point better than Ward/Childs combined. Chandler, Jorts and hopefully Kmart could provide the defense, grit, and energy that Ewing, Thomas, Camby provided. And we didn't touch on our stars production yet...
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1/13/2012  1:23 PM
smackeddog wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Eastern Conference 1998-1999 season
Team W L
1 Miami Heat 33 17
2 Indiana Pacers 33 17
3 Orlando Magic 33 17
4 Atlanta Hawks 31 19
5 Detroit Pistons 29 21
6 Phil. 76ers 28 22
7 Milwaukee Bucks 28 22
8 New York Knicks 27 23

Why, I pick the Heat to win it all- an 8th seed has never beaten a number 1 seed!

It's kind of reassurring looking at the bench of that team- though I'm sure you've left some players out- like Chris Dudley, the finest FT shooter ever. I was atching one of those playoff games on youtube last year, and I forgot that Kurt Thomas wasn't some seasoned vet at that point in his career, but was a young player prone to make young player mistakes.

I'd like to see what we can do if we make the playoffs- my fear is that one injury to Amar'e or melo or maybe even Chandler, that keeps them out for a few weeks, will sink us- we might not even make the playoffs. Whats surprised me is that without BD, we don't even have a PG on the level of Chris Childs or Charlie Ward! I thought Toney Douglas could at least be a Chris Childs!

Didn't I just give you the example of the '99 Knicks(8th seed)? Also the '07 Golden State Warriors beat the 1st seed Dallas Mavericks.

It was a joke, man! I remember throughout that series every single pundit kept whining about how an "eight seed has never beaten a number 1 seed", and kept having it pop on screen during one of the games- it annoyed the crap out of me.

My bad, misread it. Don't get all the doom, gloom and naysayers especially in a truncated season like this one...anything can happen!
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1/13/2012  1:42 PM
MS wrote:JVG was stubborn with that team and really didn't let Sprewell and Camby go. That's a tough comparision with the depth that Knick team had at every single position. Childs, Spree, Camby, Dudley was our second unit. That team played defense and had leadership at virtually every position.

If you break down the matchups in the Dallas series Golden State matched up perfectly against them and had advatanges at nearly every position. They also blasted Dallas 3-1 in the regular season. (Davis, Richardson, Ellis, Jackson, Harrington, Biedrins,etc)

Barnes and Pietrus I think were part of it as well..
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1/13/2012  1:42 PM
maybe turiaf too
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