Terrible team with even less depth than us.

Franchise cornerstone has completely checked out and is in his last season with Nets unless something dramatic happens.

Up-and-coming center is injured, looks less up-and-coming and less appealing to trade seekers.

Only other assets are draft picks, very little young talent.

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Knicks on the other hand have 2 1/2 stars who want to be here, a young stud in Shumpert, and remain a major destination for the future 2nd-tier FAs (Nash, W Chandler, etc.)

Life is good.

Not a total waste. How many acutally bolt and leave money on the table.

They can do a deal. At his age he'll want that last contract year and the % increase.

Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.

Gymkata wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.

They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?

Throwing in Felton was what killed me (And us). It shouldn't have happened and we got laid doggy style because of that.

Allanfan20 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.

They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?

Throwing in Felton was what killed me (And us). It shouldn't have happened and we got laid doggy style because of that.

So then, if the swap minus Felton would have been fair value, does that mean Raymond Felton was the future that we traded away?

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:They can trade Deron and get back good value.

Not a total waste. How many acutally bolt and leave money on the table.

They can do a deal. At his age he'll want that last contract year and the % increase.

They trade him and they will get back ok value, but nothing close to fair value. They will be lucky to get one or two secondary stars who are locked into long term deals, like Rudy Gay and Mike Conly, only if Williams agrees to an extend and trade with a specific team.

I am speculating (rather than pontificate a "I Think") that Deron and ownership are kind of cool with how it all plays out. If Nets can't land a player to go with Deron he'll get moved and nobody gets screwed. I don't think its any great diva MeloDramatic, LebronDecison, or DwightDilema kind of thing.

The upside of Deron with Dwight in Brooklyn is big. Worth the risk on his part, but if not Dallas can work a three way that gets Nets good value back and all ends well. Maybe its draft picks, maybe a player.

I have not ruled out Nets Land Kobe.

Kobe might not care about getting another ring as much as racking up stats to take his place in history. unless he gets 7 or 8 he won't be in Jordans league.

He will be big in Brooklyn and his endorsements will be just fine. IM sure he wants some more money as his sweetie is walking off with half.

Lakers get a younger player and one with less cost. They can make a move to get Dwight and reload for the long term.

Kobe won't push it and lakes won't want to alienate fan base. It will have to look like both are cool with it.

Knixkik wrote:Saying we traded away our "future" is not accurate at all. Has Gallo taken any steps to becoming a star? Is anyone that we traded every going to be close to the caliber of Melo? Answer to both is no. You get stars then you build around them. You don't build starting with good role players. We have the stars, we just need to continue building around them. Chandler and Shumpert is a start at least.

i still think Gallo is gonna be nice. he's returning to his younger athletic form but now with a bigger more muscular body. his stroke has suffered, but his driving and finishing haven't (despite his recent choke). i think he'll regain his stroke as he adjusts to his new build. working out the upper body can really affect one's shooting. it shouldn't that difficult to understand why.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Gymkata wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:We have a better roster. But they've made it to the finals more recently than we have and I have more confidence in their ownership (and the 28 other teams' ownerships) than in Dolan. They'll probably suck for a while, do a genuine rebuild, and be very good again.

Dude....are you serious? Confidence in their ownership? They traded away their entire forsseable future for Deron who will not be coming back. If the Knicks did a move like that you'd be having a field day with it.

And I'm not a Dolan apologist either. But that's a silly statement to make.

They traded away their future for Deron; we did for Carmelo. This may come down simply to a debate about which owner was dumber.

Sometimes I wonder if you didn't like the Melo trade.

So maybe you can answer this question for me: what wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for Carmelo and Billups?

From what I saw of Melo in Denver, I simply did not want him on the team. They would have to have paid us to take him. (And many Denver fans are thought getting rid of him was addition by subtraction.)

That said, I do generally like what I've seen of him in his 33 games as a Knick. His shooting and decision-making have been much better. I'm still skeptical that his style of play on offense is what you want on a championship contender.

I like Billups very much but he's too old to have much use for a team that isn't contending.

Fair enough. Some people just don't like the player or feel he's worth the money. I'm not in that camp but I can respect that opinion. I just have trouble with the dogmatic recitation of "we paid too much" as if we held onto just one of those guys we shipped over we wouldn't be 2-4 or have gotten bounced from the first round last year or we'd be in a much sunnier position, future-wise.

eViL wrote:i hated Melo before he was on the Knicks. and Gallo was one of my favorite players. but hey, what are you gonna do?

Same, especially after the suckerpunch in that NYK/Denver brawl. But whatever, he's matured and won me over.

I never thought I'd find myself cheering for Johnny Damon either, but that changed when he put on pinstripes.