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STOUEMIRE (because there is no D)
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BigSm00th
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1/4/2012  11:59 PM
by my count, the last shot boris missed he was defended by chandler. other than that, boris was 12 for 14 with amare guarding him.

amare also let mullens (a briggs favorite) go 3 for 3 against him. so all told, by my count, amare gave up 15 makes on 17 attempts. just an absolutely pathetic effort tonight from him.

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1/5/2012  12:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2012  12:29 AM
Yeah he was bad on D but the problem with our D is we our letting these guys get open and when your trying to recover they have the chance to pump fake and our guys bite including Stat. Our team D is just bad. We need to have these guys swarm to ball carriers. All the great teams that play ball great help D cause lets face it when they get in the lane we need the help to come on time force bad passes. We wouldn't give up as much if the help D got their on time. But Yeah Amare got schooled one on one a few times but if the help got their on time It would look different. I see players get taken off the dribble but the difference is that they get the help on time and the rotations are on time.
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1/5/2012  12:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2012  12:33 AM
in two games without Amare, our defense held the kings to 92 points 35% FG and the Raptors to 90 points 44% FG, and that was with Bargnani and Derozan going off. Amare plays one game and an undersized role player in Diaw goes supersaiyan. The Cats scored 120 on 60% FG.
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1/5/2012  12:41 AM
Most of Diaws points where on jumpers off the pick and roll play. With some being in TDs grill because of the love of the switch. Amare was bad but it wasn't just him. Who was playing Henderson. He looked like Kobe out there.
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1/5/2012  1:09 AM
I have been saying for a while that Amare is the worst defensive player on this team. For a while people lumped Amare and Melo together as bad defenders. Amare is worse, much worse. His bad defense is coupled by his poor rebounding. Its really inexcuseable, unless he's still hurt.
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1/5/2012  3:33 AM
Killa4luv wrote:I have been saying for a while that Amare is the worst defensive player on this team. For a while people lumped Amare and Melo together as bad defenders. Amare is worse, much worse. His bad defense is coupled by his poor rebounding. Its really inexcuseable, unless he's still hurt.

He played the same way last season.

I guess people din't notice it because he was the only guy on the team that could score consistently and keep us in games.

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1/5/2012  5:44 AM
Amare is a bad defensive player. The switching is killing us. It was nice to see Iman not switch and get the steal. I hope he keeps it up.

You know, I like watching that Rookie on the Nets - Brooks. He is a great scorer. Does little on defense though (correct me if I'm wrong, but he is slight of body. Will get posted up on and bullied). How far does a player like that take you? Stat has the body and speed, but just doesn't play D.

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1/5/2012  8:50 AM
colombian0725 wrote:Yeah he was bad on D but the problem with our D is we our letting these guys get open and when your trying to recover they have the chance to pump fake and our guys bite including Stat. Our team D is just bad. We need to have these guys swarm to ball carriers. All the great teams that play ball great help D cause lets face it when they get in the lane we need the help to come on time force bad passes. We wouldn't give up as much if the help D got their on time. But Yeah Amare got schooled one on one a few times but if the help got their on time It would look different. I see players get taken off the dribble but the difference is that they get the help on time and the rotations are on time.

too much damn switching too. Except Imam, everyone was running under screens and switching allowing mismatches and easy backdoor plays.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/5/2012  8:57 AM
I noticed the same thing.
There was one play in particular that stood out to me early on last night.
He was guarding Diaw in the paint, then Diaw went out to the 3 point line.
Instead of following his man out there he stayed in the paint guarding noone.
Then Diaw gets the pass and is open of course and Amare just points at him expecting someone else to cover his man.
Then Diaw hits the 3 and Amare started to yell at Fields for not covering his man, but if fields rotated his man would have been wide open for the 3 as well.

Another thing that really seems to kill us is we just leave the lanes wide open. No one steps in to take the charge except maybe Balkman ironically enough.

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1/5/2012  10:19 AM
He looked plain lazy last night.
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1/5/2012  12:20 PM
Amar'e has only played for a coach who emphasised defense for about half a season, in his whole career. He is a terrible defender, but I'd like to see if he could improve under a proper coach who actually thinks defense is important, and teaches it. Maybe he could improve- playing for D'Antoni for so long has really stunted his growth in this area- maybe it's too late now.
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1/5/2012  12:26 PM
Only thing I can see is either Amare' has yet to adjust to playing with Chandler OR/and Melo
or he perhaps is still more hurt than Knicks want to admit

I buy in that he seemed extremely lazy and disinterested defensively on ALL rotations
or help. Amare was never a stealth D guy but he had athletic capability to do it when
he wants. Same for Melo Anthony.

Its early and perhaps too early to blame D'Antoni whom aint the defensive coach on this team.

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1/5/2012  12:35 PM
The thing about defense is that it's mostly effort. A coach can teach you the nuances and tips and tricks, but ultimately it's about getting tough and devoting yourself to checking your man.
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1/5/2012  1:32 PM
he used to know how to play d:

I think this is the play I watched live and recall thinking it was amazing.

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1/5/2012  2:29 PM
franco12 wrote:he used to know how to play d:

I think this is the play I watched live and recall thinking it was amazing.


Blocking shots has never been a problem for him (and still is not)
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1/5/2012  6:19 PM
Papabear Says

I'm in my 60s and I can defend better than Amare. Last night I watched him just look at guys go by him and he never lifted an arm. I think that Amare feels like he is not wanted and Melo is getting all of the attention.

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1/5/2012  6:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2012  6:21 PM
Amare was bad at d but can't just blame him as someone else already said. at least he went hard to the hoop and worked hard grabbing boards. Not making excuses about his defense but its everybody not just toney and amare
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1/5/2012  6:38 PM
how the hell could ppl not see this duo wouldnt work?
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1/5/2012  8:01 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm in my 60s and I can defend better than Amare. Last night I watched him just look at guys go by him and he never lifted an arm. I think that Amare feels like he is not wanted and Melo is getting all of the attention.

Sorry Papa, he just doesn't play D. He might get a weak side block, or makes a feeble attempt to pressure his man out on the perimeter, SOMETIMES. I'm hoping that the peer pressure and prodding from Woodson will at least get some response from him.

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1/6/2012  11:38 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I'm in my 60s and I can defend better than Amare. Last night I watched him just look at guys go by him and he never lifted an arm. I think that Amare feels like he is not wanted and Melo is getting all of the attention.

Sorry Papa, he just doesn't play D. He might get a weak side block, or makes a feeble attempt to pressure his man out on the perimeter, SOMETIMES. I'm hoping that the peer pressure and prodding from Woodson will at least get some response from him.

We'll see how he responds to that game- he got thoroughly embarrassed, and for a player who keeps going on about swag, that has to be humiliating- it would be great if it gave him the push he needs to actually care about playing defense. I mean they just had a long film wtching sessions- he must of cringed when watching how bad he was at times.

It's not just effort with Amar'e, it's also confusion- he has played for D'Antoni too long. If you read his post game quotes, he sounds like he's confused about what they're meant to be doing defensively.

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