Hollinger Stats - Offensive Efficiency
RK  TEAM	PACE	AST	TO	ORR	DRR	REBR	EFF FG%	TS%	OFF EFF	DEF EFF
1  Denver	97.9	15.4	23.2	23.9	75.4	50.4	52.6	57.4	109.5	104.8
2  San Antonio	94.6	15.9	22.7	24.9	74.6	50.4	52.7	56.7	109.4	102.8
3  Miami	93.2	14.6	23.8	25.2	75.5	51.8	52.4	57.3	109.3	100.7
4  Okl City	95.3	14.4	23.2	27.4	73.6	51.3	50.1	56.1	108.6	104.0
5  New York	98.1	14.9	22.4	24.2	71.9	47.9	51.3	56.1	108.3	106.9
6  Houston	96.9	16.2	22.0	27.4	72.7	50.0	50.3	55.0	108.0	106.2
7  LA Lakers	93.4	15.6	22.0	29.2	72.3	51.5	50.2	54.5	107.9	101.3
8  Dallas	93.4	17.0	23.9	24.1	74.8	50.4	52.5	56.5	107.6	102.3
9  Phoenix	96.8	16.2	23.3	23.7	71.6	47.6	52.2	55.9	107.0	107.4
10 Orlando	93.5	14.3	25.0	26.1	76.9	52.1	52.1	55.5	105.7	99.1

Over the years D'Antoni's teams have been top of the league in efficiency on offense and you guys want him to change what he does. We were top ten with Raymond Felton as our PG! He's no Nash or CP3. He wasn't even considered good based on his performance before he came to NY.

This is where our last 2 PG's rated as passers before they came to the Knicks:

Assists Per Game Leaders - Qualified
RK  PLAYER	TEAM	GP	MPG	AST	APG	TO	TOPG	AP48M	AST/TO
1  Steve Nash, PG	PHX	81	32.8	892	11.0	295	3.6	16.1	3.02
2  Chris Paul, PG	NO	45	38.0	480	10.7	112	2.5	13.5	4.29
3  Deron Williams, PG	UTAH	76	36.9	798	10.5	252	3.3	13.7	3.17
4  Rajon Rondo, PG	BOS	81	36.6	794	9.8	246	3.0	12.9	3.23
5  Jason Kidd, PG	DAL	80	36.0	724	9.1	195	2.4	12.1	3.71
6  LeBron James, SF	CLE	76	39.0	651	8.6	261	3.4	10.5	2.49
7  Baron Davis, PG	LAC	75	33.6	598	8.0	211	2.8	11.4	2.83
8  Russ Westbrook, PG	OKC	82	34.3	652	8.0	268	3.3	11.1	2.43
9  Devin Harris, PG	NJ	64	34.7	423	6.6	181	2.8	9.1	2.34
10 Dwyane Wade, SG	MIA	77	36.3	501	6.5	252	3.3	8.6	1.99
RK  PLAYER	TEAM	GP	MPG	AST	APG	TO	TOPG	AP48M	AST/TO
11  Derrick Rose, PG	CHI	78	36.8	469	6.0	217	2.8	7.8	2.16
12  Jose Calderon, PG	TOR	68	26.7	404	5.9	99	1.5	10.7	4.08
13  Stephen Curry, PG	GS	80	36.2	472	5.9	244	3.1	7.8	1.93
14  Andre Iguodala, SG	PHI	82	38.9	472	5.8	218	2.7	7.1	2.17
15  Tyreke Evans, PG	SAC	72	37.2	414	5.8	216	3.0	7.4	1.92
16  Bran Jennings, PG	MIL	82	32.6	470	5.7	200	2.4	8.4	2.35
17  Darren Collison, PG	NO	76	27.8	432	5.7	202	2.7	9.8	2.14
18  Chaun Billups, PG	DEN	73	34.1	409	5.6	177	2.4	7.9	2.31
19  Raymond Felton, PG	CHA	80	33.0	446	5.6	168	2.1	8.1	2.65
20  Andre Miller, PG	POR	82	30.5	445	5.4	173	2.1	8.5	2.57

It's not like we've needed great PG's to be effective. Just anyone DECENT will do. This shows how poorly TD and Bibby have been so far. You can't blow up everything you've been doing because the team gets off to a poor start without a real PG. MDA has to keep coaching TD up and Glen has to decide if some other move needs to be made, but right now they need to keep working to fix the poor execution.

and, yeah, this season depends on baron in a lot of ways. it's a little scary. but for some reason, i have complete faith that he'll be healthy and be a great fit for the team.

Michael6835 wrote:He has until mid season,if we are still losing , then the watch is on. I think you need to give him time, each new team takes time to settle in. Usually takes the pg some time, I know Td has been with us awhile, but I don't consider him a traditional pg. it took the heat time to gel, grant it they have 2 mega stars in wade and James.

The heat have two stars that actually create for themselves and others, which is a major advantage. They have the ball in their hands a LOT but they know what to do with it. Heck even Norris Cole is far better than TD in terms of playing his position.

TD is not playing to his strengths at the PG spot and we know this but for now he has to find a way to improve his decision making until help arrives. I wish we had Lin in here during training camp cuz it's hard to fit him in right now with no preparation. I think he could've helped if they had time to work with him. Now he's behind the rest of the team and there isn't a lot of practice time. Bibby is not going to give you much and can't penetrate or defend at a high level anymore. It's gonna be good to get Shump back at least.

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:ThisSystem(square peg) + ThisRoster(round hole) + = TheBestSeasonEver!(denial)

How about giving some proof that the "system" is a Square peg to this roster's round hole? The only thing that is missing is a PG to run the PnR and drive and kick. The team is full of spot up shooters that don't create their own shots!!! No post up bigs except for Melo. So with no penetrating PG teams just clog the paint and shift to Melo and that's enough to shut down the offense.

Who is making all these passes to cutters if we change the offense right now? They don't consistently move the ball from qtr to qtr cuz none of these guys are good passers. You can't expect them to improve that much. The answer to the problem on offense is better talent in the backcourt!!! Shump, B Diddy and maybe Lin if he gets coached up.

Knicks Roster
 2011-12 Roster							
NUM	PLAYER	POS	HT	WT	DOB	        FROM    YEARS
7	Melo	 F	 6-8	230	 5/29/84	Cuse	8
32	Balk	 F	 6-8	225	 7/14/84	S Car	5
20	Bibby	 G	 6-2	195	 5/13/78	Zona	13
6	Tyson	 C	 7-1	240	 10/2/82	HS	10
85	Bdiddy	 G	 6-3	212	 4/13/79	UCLA	12
23	TD	 G	 6-2	185	 3/16/86	FSU	2
2	Fields	 G	 6-7	215	 6/27/88	Stan	1
55	Jorts	 C	 6-10	275	 2/12/89	Ken	 R
9	Effries	 F	 6-11	240	 11/25/81	Indiana	9
44	JJ3	 C	 7-0	240	 9/29/86	Tulsa	 R
17	Lin	 G	 6-3	200	 8/23/88	Harvard	1
16	Novak	 F	 6-10	240	 6/13/83	Marq	5
21	Shump	 G	 6-5	220	 6/26/190	Ga Tech	 R
1	Amear	 F-C	 6-11	260	 11/16/82	HS	9
5	Walker	 G-F	 6-6	235	 10/9/87	KSU	3

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:ThisSystem(square peg) + ThisRoster(round hole) + = TheBestSeasonEver!(denial)

How about giving some proof that the "system" is a Square peg to this roster's round hole? The only thing that is missing is a PG to run the PnR and drive and kick. The team is full of spot up shooters that don't create their own shots!!! No post up bigs except for Melo. So with no penetrating PG teams just clog the paint and shift to Melo and that's enough to shut down the offense.

Who is making all these passes to cutters if we change the offense right now? They don't consistently move the ball from qtr to qtr cuz none of these guys are good passers. You can't expect them to improve that much. The answer to the problem on offense is better talent in the backcourt!!! Shump, B Diddy and maybe Lin if he gets coached up.

Knicks Roster
 2011-12 Roster							
NUM	PLAYER	POS	HT	WT	DOB	        FROM    YEARS
7	Melo	 F	 6-8	230	 5/29/84	Cuse	8
32	Balk	 F	 6-8	225	 7/14/84	S Car	5
20	Bibby	 G	 6-2	195	 5/13/78	Zona	13
6	Tyson	 C	 7-1	240	 10/2/82	HS	10
85	Bdiddy	 G	 6-3	212	 4/13/79	UCLA	12
23	TD	 G	 6-2	185	 3/16/86	FSU	2
2	Fields	 G	 6-7	215	 6/27/88	Stan	1
55	Jorts	 C	 6-10	275	 2/12/89	Ken	 R
9	Effries	 F	 6-11	240	 11/25/81	Indiana	9
44	JJ3	 C	 7-0	240	 9/29/86	Tulsa	 R
17	Lin	 G	 6-3	200	 8/23/88	Harvard	1
16	Novak	 F	 6-10	240	 6/13/83	Marq	5
21	Shump	 G	 6-5	220	 6/26/190	Ga Tech	 R
1	Amear	 F-C	 6-11	260	 11/16/82	HS	9
5	Walker	 G-F	 6-6	235	 10/9/87	KSU	3

The only clear difference is NO PG!!!

OjilEye wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Ok, so Lin is not gonna be playing until after Davis comes back. Can we meanwhile find a PG in minor league or Europe with a single skill -running the PnR? Is that so rare ?

Wait, shouldn't it be the other way around?

Let's utilize Lin to the best of his capability until B. Davis and Shump are healthy.

+fidee

Free Jeremy Lin