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Could Melo , Amare,& Chandler, reajust thier contract money and bring in Chris Paul, or D Willians?? next season? How??
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Papabear
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1/1/2012  1:22 PM
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Chris Paul and D Willans did not sign contract extentions yet?? So why can't next season Melo give up 2 million Amare give up 2 million and Chandler give up 1.5 million along with the midlevel 5 -6 Million with other money and get a deal done. That's if Melo and Amare really want to win a championship. Miami did it so why can't we?. They can make the money back on endorsements.

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1/1/2012  1:25 PM
Weren't they all FAs at the same time?
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1/1/2012  1:26 PM
They could but i don't know if they would. I think i heard that the players are allowed to restructure a certain amount under the new CBA
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1/1/2012  1:34 PM
CP3 is not available next season
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1/1/2012  1:46 PM
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

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1/1/2012  2:04 PM
I believe we would have to go under the cap, we cant use any exceptions combined.
Unless Melo/Tyson/Stat are willing to give up about 4-5m each, which still wouldn't give us a max offer.
That is a lot of money to give up and we could only offer 1 extra year to their contract because of the new CBA with 5 year extension.
Its just not possible, our MLE is our best bet chance to add the best player available.
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1/2/2012  10:21 AM
Papabear wrote:
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

Wow. That's a major drop off for Plan B, huh?
With the way the Nyets season is shaping up, DWilliams may end up signing anywhere else for the league minimum by the allstar break. Poor bastid hones his game in turkey so he can come home and be part of another run at the all time worst record again?

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1/2/2012  10:36 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

Wow. That's a major drop off for Plan B, huh?
With the way the Nyets season is shaping up, DWilliams may end up signing anywhere else for the league minimum by the allstar break. Poor bastid hones his game in turkey so he can come home and be part of another run at the all time worst record again?

Just so you all know, and not to put a damper on everyones spirits, but there is no way we will be getting Raymond Felton for the MLE anymore. Not with how Portland is starting and the way he is playing.

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1/2/2012  10:58 AM
PG is going to be the position we fill with a veteran willing to take minimum or mid level for the next few years. Unless we draft a good one.

So Nash, BD....maybe trade for someone like Ridnour.

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1/2/2012  11:32 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

Wow. That's a major drop off for Plan B, huh?
With the way the Nyets season is shaping up, DWilliams may end up signing anywhere else for the league minimum by the allstar break. Poor bastid hones his game in turkey so he can come home and be part of another run at the all time worst record again?

Just so you all know, and not to put a damper on everyones spirits, but there is no way we will be getting Raymond Felton for the MLE anymore. Not with how Portland is starting and the way he is playing.

And the fact that we screwed him over- why do people think he would ever sign with us again? he signed with us for less money and a shorter contract because he wanted to play in D'Antoni's system. We then traded him a few months later, to Denver. Why do people think he would ever sign with us again? And at a discount again?!

Anyway the plan laid out in the first post of this thread is not possible under the CBA. I don't think players can renegotiate contracts downwards, and you can't add money to the MLE- you only get the MLE if you are over the cap, as soon as you go under the cap you lose it.

Miami appeared to do this because I don't think they had actually signed their contracts, when they decided to take less so they could sign Haslem- as nothing was signed, they could easily just revise the contracts they had been offered.

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1/2/2012  11:45 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

Wow. That's a major drop off for Plan B, huh?
With the way the Nyets season is shaping up, DWilliams may end up signing anywhere else for the league minimum by the allstar break. Poor bastid hones his game in turkey so he can come home and be part of another run at the all time worst record again?

Just so you all know, and not to put a damper on everyones spirits, but there is no way we will be getting Raymond Felton for the MLE anymore. Not with how Portland is starting and the way he is playing.

And the fact that we screwed him over- why do people think he would ever sign with us again? he signed with us for less money and a shorter contract because he wanted to play in D'Antoni's system. We then traded him a few months later, to Denver. Why do people think he would ever sign with us again? And at a discount again?!

Anyway the plan laid out in the first post of this thread is not possible under the CBA. I don't think players can renegotiate contracts downwards, and you can't add money to the MLE- you only get the MLE if you are over the cap, as soon as you go under the cap you lose it.

Miami appeared to do this because I don't think they had actually signed their contracts, when they decided to take less so they could sign Haslem- as nothing was signed, they could easily just revise the contracts they had been offered.

I think players can negotiate contracts downward up to 40%. I heard that right around when the new CBA was signed.

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1/2/2012  11:56 AM
I don't think this team is in the sweepstakes game anymore. Adding Tyson was the sign that they were out of the wait til next year game and that they are not going to be adding anymore Max level superstars to the team. This is our big 3 for now and they'll look to build a real team around this core. They'll use the full MLE next year to add another key piece to the team.
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1/2/2012  12:40 PM
MSG3 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

Wow. That's a major drop off for Plan B, huh?
With the way the Nyets season is shaping up, DWilliams may end up signing anywhere else for the league minimum by the allstar break. Poor bastid hones his game in turkey so he can come home and be part of another run at the all time worst record again?

Just so you all know, and not to put a damper on everyones spirits, but there is no way we will be getting Raymond Felton for the MLE anymore. Not with how Portland is starting and the way he is playing.

And the fact that we screwed him over- why do people think he would ever sign with us again? he signed with us for less money and a shorter contract because he wanted to play in D'Antoni's system. We then traded him a few months later, to Denver. Why do people think he would ever sign with us again? And at a discount again?!

Anyway the plan laid out in the first post of this thread is not possible under the CBA. I don't think players can renegotiate contracts downwards, and you can't add money to the MLE- you only get the MLE if you are over the cap, as soon as you go under the cap you lose it.

Miami appeared to do this because I don't think they had actually signed their contracts, when they decided to take less so they could sign Haslem- as nothing was signed, they could easily just revise the contracts they had been offered.

I think players can negotiate contracts downward up to 40%. I heard that right around when the new CBA was signed.

Players can restructure their contracts so that yearly salary is reduced by 40%, but the caveat to that is the money is simply added to additional years on the contract.

So if a player has 4 yrs/$80M left on their contract, they can renegotiate it so that it's 5 yrs or 6 yrs/$80M.

But there is no way Melo or Amar'e would do that cause they would effectively cut into their future earnings. Since both players aren't likely to retire after their current contract, renegotiating their contracts to say 6 yrs/$80M is in effect making them lose out on $40M in years 5 and 6 that they could possibly get in an extension.

Our only option next summer is the MLE. The dream scenario is if we can convince Wilson Chandler to come back to NY with the promise of a payday once we get his early bird rights. Not likely to happen, but there's a good chance he'd be an unrestricted FA if he accepts the QO from Denver when he returns from China.

For PG options, our best bet are only vets like Andre Miller, Steve Nash, etc. as I don't think we'll be able to pry a young PG for just the MLE. Augustin will get matched, Felton will be resigned by Portland for more. If Steve Nash and BDiddy would accept the vet's min, which is very possible, I'd rather keep those two to man our PG situation, and use our MLE on guard/forward depth like Brandon Rush.

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1/2/2012  12:44 PM
I have full confidence we will draft and develop a pass first PG eventually if MDA stays around. We seem to draft pretty well in the low firsts and second round. -- Jorts, Fields, Lee etc. and we can always hope Kahn will amnesty Rubio once he falls in love with Kyrie Irving.
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1/2/2012  3:37 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Rookie wrote:CP3 is not available next season

Papabear Says

Well then we go for D. Williams or Felton

Wow. That's a major drop off for Plan B, huh?
With the way the Nyets season is shaping up, DWilliams may end up signing anywhere else for the league minimum by the allstar break. Poor bastid hones his game in turkey so he can come home and be part of another run at the all time worst record again?

Just so you all know, and not to put a damper on everyones spirits, but there is no way we will be getting Raymond Felton for the MLE anymore. Not with how Portland is starting and the way he is playing.

And the fact that we screwed him over- why do people think he would ever sign with us again? he signed with us for less money and a shorter contract because he wanted to play in D'Antoni's system. We then traded him a few months later, to Denver. Why do people think he would ever sign with us again? And at a discount again?!

Anyway the plan laid out in the first post of this thread is not possible under the CBA. I don't think players can renegotiate contracts downwards, and you can't add money to the MLE- you only get the MLE if you are over the cap, as soon as you go under the cap you lose it.

Miami appeared to do this because I don't think they had actually signed their contracts, when they decided to take less so they could sign Haslem- as nothing was signed, they could easily just revise the contracts they had been offered.

Good Point. i mean people get on me because i felt we gave up too much in the melo trade. But we got felton for a cheap price and he played like an all-star. And felton is contining to play well. felton loved new york and then we dumped him and i remember he was pissed. so there is no way in hell he would come back unless we offered a ton of money as kind of a "im sorry" gift lol
Could Melo , Amare,& Chandler, reajust thier contract money and bring in Chris Paul, or D Willians?? next season? How??

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