misterearl wrote:eVil - our offense looks offensive

MSG - watch what Douglas does after he makes the pass. That is, if he is not hoisting another (13%) brick from three point range.

He stands still waiting for the ball back, so he can hoist another three. During the second half of the Laker game, Amar'e and Carmelo stopped passing Douglas the ball as he stood on the perimeter. A strong signal they were not happy.

Not defending Douglas. But STAT is playing as lost as anyone. Melo doesn't seem to be paying attention all the time but at least he's making shots.

Uptown wrote:I've been getting my basketball fix aswell...Here is the biggest difference between the Knicks recent offensive offense and the other NBA teams offense's; other successful teams are running Pick and Roll....We are not. Thats it in a nut shell. The NBA is a pick and roll league. Watched Rubio run the pick and roll masterfully against the Heat for open look after open look. Watched Paul pick the Bulls defense apart with beautiful pick and roll plays....

It's such a simple but versatile play. A strong pick and roll point guard and Amar'e and Melo? Amar'e and Melo setting picks and rolling? The possibilities are limitless.

You put Lin in just for that, just pick and roll all day, he doesn't need to do much else.

eViL wrote:is there something about the New York spotlight that makes players not want to move the ball? feels like forever since we've seen a free flowing, pass the ball offense. seems other teams, even with multiple stars, have no issues sharing. what gives?

guard play. That's where it starts. And then the pieces around that have to understand where to be.

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:is there something about the New York spotlight that makes players not want to move the ball? feels like forever since we've seen a free flowing, pass the ball offense. seems other teams, even with multiple stars, have no issues sharing. what gives?

guard play. That's where it starts. And then the pieces around that have to understand where to be.

We have Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, and you think it starts with guard play? With all due respect Martin, how many more excuses will we have?

Happy new year to you btw.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:is there something about the New York spotlight that makes players not want to move the ball? feels like forever since we've seen a free flowing, pass the ball offense. seems other teams, even with multiple stars, have no issues sharing. what gives?

guard play. That's where it starts. And then the pieces around that have to understand where to be.

We have Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, and you think it starts with guard play? With all due respect Martin, how many more excuses will we have?

Happy new year to you btw.

Well, do you think we have adequate PG and SG capabilities with TD and Fields? Or do you think that the effectiveness of Melo and Amare have been partially due to TD's awful PG play?

Why do people keep asking about how many excuses will we have instead of watching what is happening on the court and trying to draw some conclusions?

Whenever I see the "how many excuses" line come out I tend to view that as a short-sighted way of pouting about not getting instant-win gratification.

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:is there something about the New York spotlight that makes players not want to move the ball? feels like forever since we've seen a free flowing, pass the ball offense. seems other teams, even with multiple stars, have no issues sharing. what gives?

guard play. That's where it starts. And then the pieces around that have to understand where to be.

We have Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, and you think it starts with guard play? With all due respect Martin, how many more excuses will we have?

Happy new year to you btw.

Well, do you think we have adequate PG and SG capabilities with TD and Fields? Or do you think that the effectiveness of Melo and Amare have been partially due to TD's awful PG play?

Why do people keep asking about how many excuses will we have instead of watching what is happening on the court and trying to draw some conclusions?

Whenever I see the "how many excuses" line come out I tend to view that as a short-sighted way of pouting about not getting instant-win gratification.

No, we don't have adequate PG/SG play, but again its just an excuse. Star players find ways to win without having every single piece, and I don't see that from Stat and Melo so far. TD and Fields have nothing to do with this. They are young players on a star studded roster. All they can do is follow the culture and ideologies they get from our lead guys.

I've been patient for 20 years. I think its time my team does things the right way.

JCrusher wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:is there something about the New York spotlight that makes players not want to move the ball? feels like forever since we've seen a free flowing, pass the ball offense. seems other teams, even with multiple stars, have no issues sharing. what gives?

guard play. That's where it starts. And then the pieces around that have to understand where to be.

We have Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, and you think it starts with guard play? With all due respect Martin, how many more excuses will we have?

Happy new year to you btw.

Well, do you think we have adequate PG and SG capabilities with TD and Fields? Or do you think that the effectiveness of Melo and Amare have been partially due to TD's awful PG play?

Why do people keep asking about how many excuses will we have instead of watching what is happening on the court and trying to draw some conclusions?

Whenever I see the "how many excuses" line come out I tend to view that as a short-sighted way of pouting about not getting instant-win gratification.

a good pg does help a lot but melo and amare have been making some real dumb decisions. they both are chucking three pointers instead of drving to the basketball i mean thats why chandler is there.

Melo's actually driving to the basket a lot. Not sure what you've been watching. Amar'e has been taking more 3's than he normally does, but those have usually been in the flow of the offense, ie. in a Shawne Williams role where Amar'e is camped out at 3 and Tyson is the roll man.

The problem really is that we have zero dribble penetration from our guards, and no one capable of running the PnR. Because of that, we can't force the defense to collapse on dribble penetration, and we usually just end up doing nothing but passing the rock for 15 seconds, then giving the ball to Amar'e or Melo for an iso to bail us out. It's the ugliest offense I've seen since MDA's been here, and I've never been a fan of his from the getgo. Other systems usually make do without a PnR guard by running the triangle, or running post-up plays, or offensive sets that involve off-the-ball screens and curl plays to free up a sharpshooter like Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller, etc. We're not doing any of those alternatives though and that part falls on the coach.

Also, whether it's cause Amar'e lifted weights over the lockout and gained more muscle, or he practiced too many 3's for D'Antoni's offense, he really needs to get his midrange elbow jumper again. Without that, his game is going to be broke. He was never a good driver to begin with and I cringe any time he puts the ball on the floor in iso situations.