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I know it's only the 2nd game, but Melo & Amare don't work well together
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TLover
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12/29/2011  1:01 AM
If Knicks somehow have an opportunity to revolve a deal around Amare & Chandler for Dwight Howard then great.

Even though the Knicks played a horrible game tonight (turnovers & rebounding); don't see these 2 guys meshing.

Maybe with a true point guard.

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12/29/2011  1:02 AM
it's mostly about the guard play. of which the knicks have none.

pray for baron. (and iman)

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12/29/2011  1:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2011  1:04 AM
Chandler with another 3 rebound game..this guy has to pick it up ASAP.

Free passes wont last forever.

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12/29/2011  1:07 AM
Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

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12/29/2011  1:08 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chandler with another 3 rebound game..this guy has to pick it up ASAP.

Free passes wont last forever.

Chandler was solid. Our matador guards are putting him in bad spots to pick up fouls.

Shumpert cant get back soon enough.

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12/29/2011  1:08 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

+1

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12/29/2011  1:10 AM
Michael6835 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

+1

When there's a guard that can orchestrate, the Knicks will have one of the best high/low post option offesnes around

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12/29/2011  1:12 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

When they can't trust the coach, it becomes 1 on 1 iso's.

You think what Melo did in the 4th against the Celtics was because of ? It was Melo catching fire. Next it will be Stat catching fire. But when neither has it going, you have to trust your coach and his system.

A coach you don't trust,with a system that needs a HOF PG.....means you will have a season full of ups and downs! Oh well, this is last year. Time to bring in Nash and Phil next year to save the franchise.

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12/29/2011  1:15 AM
blkexec wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

When they can't trust the coach, it becomes 1 on 1 iso's.

You think what Melo did in the 4th against the Celtics was because of ? It was Melo catching fire. Next it will be Stat catching fire. But when neither has it going, you have to trust your coach and his system.

A coach you don't trust,with a system that needs a HOF PG.....means you will have a season full of ups and downs! Oh well, this is last year. Time to bring in Nash and Phil next year to save the franchise.


It doesnt need a hof pg, it needs a pg. Td is a shooter, bibby is done. Felton wasn't hof and he made it work. We need a pg
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12/29/2011  1:50 AM
Michael6835 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

When they can't trust the coach, it becomes 1 on 1 iso's.

You think what Melo did in the 4th against the Celtics was because of ? It was Melo catching fire. Next it will be Stat catching fire. But when neither has it going, you have to trust your coach and his system.

A coach you don't trust,with a system that needs a HOF PG.....means you will have a season full of ups and downs! Oh well, this is last year. Time to bring in Nash and Phil next year to save the franchise.


It doesnt need a hof pg, it needs a pg. Td is a shooter, bibby is done. Felton wasn't hof and he made it work. We need a pg

Sessions would've been a solid addition. Felton was great. Anybody that can get by their man..all the way to the rim, would've helped at that position.

It goes back to one of my old post when we first got Melo.....That trade left us with the same problems, plus more.

Before Melo, we were weak at PG and Center.
After Melo, we were weak at PG, Center and lost our depths / athletes (Felton, Chandler, etc)

So I don't know why Knick fans are surprised.

We didn't like before the Melo trade....why would that change after the Melo trade.

We need to stop adding players to fit , and just add players to compliment our stars!

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12/29/2011  1:54 AM
blkexec wrote:
Michael6835 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

When they can't trust the coach, it becomes 1 on 1 iso's.

You think what Melo did in the 4th against the Celtics was because of ? It was Melo catching fire. Next it will be Stat catching fire. But when neither has it going, you have to trust your coach and his system.

A coach you don't trust,with a system that needs a HOF PG.....means you will have a season full of ups and downs! Oh well, this is last year. Time to bring in Nash and Phil next year to save the franchise.


It doesnt need a hof pg, it needs a pg. Td is a shooter, bibby is done. Felton wasn't hof and he made it work. We need a pg

Sessions would've been a solid addition. Felton was great. Anybody that can get by their man..all the way to the rim, would've helped at that position.

It goes back to one of my old post when we first got Melo.....That trade left us with the same problems, plus more.

Before Melo, we were weak at PG and Center.
After Melo, we were weak at PG, Center and lost our depths / athletes (Felton, Chandler, etc)

So I don't know why Knick fans are surprised.

We didn't like before the Melo trade....why would that change after the Melo trade.

We need to stop adding players to fit , and just add players to compliment our stars!

What do you call the Shump drafting and Baron Davis pickup. I think those pickups were to complement the stars. I'm not worried at all. A game like this is expected with TD at point. He's horrid. Even his so called strength is exaggerated. His Defense is mediocre at best.

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12/29/2011  2:01 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Michael6835 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Amare are fine. They need a PG. Douglas has ZERO court vision.

When they they cant trust the guards our offense turns into one on one ISO's.

When they can't trust the coach, it becomes 1 on 1 iso's.

You think what Melo did in the 4th against the Celtics was because of ? It was Melo catching fire. Next it will be Stat catching fire. But when neither has it going, you have to trust your coach and his system.

A coach you don't trust,with a system that needs a HOF PG.....means you will have a season full of ups and downs! Oh well, this is last year. Time to bring in Nash and Phil next year to save the franchise.


It doesnt need a hof pg, it needs a pg. Td is a shooter, bibby is done. Felton wasn't hof and he made it work. We need a pg

Sessions would've been a solid addition. Felton was great. Anybody that can get by their man..all the way to the rim, would've helped at that position.

It goes back to one of my old post when we first got Melo.....That trade left us with the same problems, plus more.

Before Melo, we were weak at PG and Center.
After Melo, we were weak at PG, Center and lost our depths / athletes (Felton, Chandler, etc)

So I don't know why Knick fans are surprised.

We didn't like before the Melo trade....why would that change after the Melo trade.

We need to stop adding players to fit , and just add players to compliment our stars!

What do you call the Shump drafting and Baron Davis pickup. I think those pickups were to complement the stars. I'm not worried at all. A game like this is expected with TD at point. He's horrid. Even his so called strength is exaggerated. His Defense is mediocre at best.

Thank you....lets just hope understands that also, and stop babying these NBA professionals. If TD gets his confidence shot, by going to the bench, then he doesn't have what it takes to win a championship. But you know what, Douglas will start again tomorrow, and probably until Baron is healthy, because thats management style. If he wants to be a coach that shows accountability, he needs to shake things up at the two guard positions, and play groom Jordan and Lin as potential backups at the PG and Center positions.

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12/29/2011  3:12 AM
The Knicks are 1-1 and you think its time to jump on MDA? Yeah the team looked bad tonight but let's try to keep things in perspective. If MDA had any kind of half decent PG we'd be ballin right now!!! Just have to gut this out until the guards get healthy or maybe Lin can give some help. TD probably has to be replaced as starting PG tho.
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12/29/2011  5:04 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chandler with another 3 rebound game..this guy has to pick it up ASAP.

Free passes wont last forever.

I live in fear that he'll turn out to be Jared Jeffries the Second!

We look awful at the moment, but it's probably less stressful if we just look on the first few weeks as essentially the pre-season. If we can tread water til BD gets back, then continue to tread water while he gets settled in, then maybe we can start turning it up in March/April- but our offense just looks horrific right now, if we keep this up, we'll have a pretty bad record by the time BD checks in.

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12/29/2011  6:46 AM
As others have said we need a real PG. Melo can get by without one but for Stat to really be effective, he needs the ball in motion. Yeah, he can score anyway, but in games when his jump shot is off, a real PG can get him going.

We may actually see Lin sooner than later if the horrendous PG play of Douglas and I'll also say Bibby (he was bad last night) continue. Bibby reminds me of Duhon, except Duhon was better at the P&R. Ouch

Not having Shumpert really hurt I'd say, look forward to him coming back. His penetration and defense are very valuable.

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12/29/2011  7:05 AM
It is definitely all in the PG play. These 2 are fine. Davis will help but adding Nash next season with an improved Shumpert starting at the SG and this is a championship team. The offense will have no problems like last night.
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12/29/2011  7:50 AM
Melo & STAT will work together just fine. There was zero ball movement last night and it all starts at the 1. No need to panick though, it's 1 game and games like this are to be expected with little to no practice time and new players on the team. Hopefully they look like the team they're supposed to be against the Lakers tonight.
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12/29/2011  9:02 AM
Our number 2 scoring threat's best moves are the pick and roll and finishing off of fast breaks. Our number 1 scoring threat - the guy who has the ball in his hands most often - thrives off of a slow-paced offense and cannot run the pick and roll. You get pieces that won't fit together when you starphuck. We should know this by now.
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12/29/2011  10:53 AM
But everyone should agree that Dwight Howard comliments Melo than Amare. Of course Howard can compliment any player in the league, but you understand my point. David Lee may actually be a better compliment. No slight against Amare (he literally brought the Knicks back), but it could be a fact. Hopefully I'm wrong when B. Davis starts running the point.
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12/29/2011  10:55 AM
TLover wrote:But everyone should agree that Dwight Howard comliments Melo than Amare. Of course Howard can compliment any player in the league, but you understand my point. David Lee may actually be a better compliment. No slight against Amare (he literally brought the Knicks back), but it could be a fact. Hopefully I'm wrong when B. Davis starts running the point.

I'm glad you bring Howard up.

If I'm the Knicks, I'm making any deal necessary to get Howard in here. This includes trading either Amar'e or Melo.

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I know it's only the 2nd game, but Melo & Amare don't work well together

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