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nixluva
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12/21/2011  11:18 PM
Well I guess Baron's recovery process will be sped up even more now! It isn't a good sign when one of your few real PG's comes up with back spasms. That really had to send chills up the spine of the Knicks coaching staff. Perhaps they should look for another PG just to have on the roster as a backup, backup.

I joke but it's really a serious issue. If TD doesn't show marked improvement this early part of the season could be a bit dicey as they wait for Baron to get healthy and then get into a groove. The Knicks can only hope that Bibby's back issues aren't serious, cuz they're thin at PG already. We can only rely on running things thru Melo but so much. We still need competent PG play to bridge the gap until Baron is really able to play at a high level.
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12/21/2011  11:19 PM
nixluva wrote:Well I guess Baron's recovery process will be sped up even more now! It isn't a good sign when one of your few real PG's comes up with back spasms. That really had to send chills up the spine of the Knicks coaching staff. Perhaps they should look for another PG just to have on the roster as a backup, backup.

I joke but it's really a serious issue. If TD doesn't show marked improvement this early part of the season could be a bit dicey as they wait for Baron to get healthy and then get into a groove. The Knicks can only hope that Bibby's back issues aren't serious, cuz they're thin at PG already. We can only rely on running things thru Melo but so much. We still need competent PG play to bridge the gap until Baron is really able to play at a high level.

D'Antoni minimized the injury. Hopefully he was accurate in his assessment.
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12/21/2011  11:22 PM
The PG situation is definitely a concern. TD is a backup combo guard and is strong in that role, but he's not a PG. I do like the fact that Melo and even Shumpert can handle some PG duties as wings, but there is definitely a need for a true PG. We are a contender if Davis comes back strong, or when we have an opportunity to add one next summer (Nash, Felton, Nelson). But until either of those things occur, it will hold us back from competing for a championship, along with adding depth at PF/C. A true PG and a strong bench big man and we are winning a title.
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12/21/2011  11:24 PM
We don't have anyone who looks like they can average more than 3 assists a game.
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12/21/2011  11:25 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:We don't have anyone who looks like they can average more than 3 assists a game.

TD had at least three passes that set up easy buckets...for the Nets.
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12/21/2011  11:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2011  11:30 PM
I don't want to rush Davis, better safe than sorry. Bibby I really hope can play, because if he cannot- we are in trouble. TD will only be able to do what TD do. Meaning no PnR. Melo does the PnR better, and he has only been doing it for 2 games. You know what, I saw Green throw a pass to Jorts rolling to the basket and it was more than TD does in a PnR situation. Or at least it seemed like mor
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12/21/2011  11:30 PM
Knixkik wrote:The PG situation is definitely a concern. TD is a backup combo guard and is strong in that role, but he's not a PG. I do like the fact that Melo and even Shumpert can handle some PG duties as wings, but there is definitely a need for a true PG. We are a contender if Davis comes back strong, or when we have an opportunity to add one next summer (Nash, Felton, Nelson). But until either of those things occur, it will hold us back from competing for a championship, along with adding depth at PF/C. A true PG and a strong bench big man and we are winning a title.

I am pretty much in line with this. TD makes for a very good second unit guy but not starter at this point in his career.

Jorts for a strong bench big man?

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12/21/2011  11:37 PM
Having TD as your primary PG is even more problematic when you're starting SG is not a play-maker. Our team has a lot of talented scorers but below average passing overall.
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12/22/2011  12:45 AM
Just watching the Clippers without Cp3, its totally different with him on the bench.
Mo Williams has been a player that has speed, quickness, and known to be able to shoot but there simply is no comparison.
Having good PG play, just makes everything easier, and allows the team/players to assert their stamina/energy in other areas.
Its not just about scoring, its about breaking down the defense, and taking the good shots.
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12/22/2011  12:55 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Having TD as your primary PG is even more problematic when you're starting SG is not a play-maker. Our team has a lot of talented scorers but below average passing overall.

Yep thats why Shumpert will slide in at SG sooner than later
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12/22/2011  8:38 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2011  8:39 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Having TD as your primary PG is even more problematic when you're starting SG is not a play-maker. Our team has a lot of talented scorers but below average passing overall.

Yep thats why Shumpert will slide in at SG sooner than later


After what I saw yesterday, I was hoping Shumpert would get less playing time if he doesn't improve his shot selection.
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12/22/2011  12:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Having TD as your primary PG is even more problematic when you're starting SG is not a play-maker. Our team has a lot of talented scorers but below average passing overall.

Yep thats why Shumpert will slide in at SG sooner than later


After what I saw yesterday, I was hoping Shumpert would get less playing time if he doesn't improve his shot selection.

his shot was off last nite maybe Garden debut nerves but his defense alon with TD in the backcourt was spectacular
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12/22/2011  2:01 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Having TD as your primary PG is even more problematic when you're starting SG is not a play-maker. Our team has a lot of talented scorers but below average passing overall.

Yep thats why Shumpert will slide in at SG sooner than later


After what I saw yesterday, I was hoping Shumpert would get less playing time if he doesn't improve his shot selection.

his shot was off last nite maybe Garden debut nerves but his defense alon with TD in the backcourt was spectacular


It wasn't that his shot was off. It's that his brain was off. I'm glad he's on the team. He has a lot of potential and was a reasonable mid 1st round pick. But he's going to hurt our offense if he doesn't improve his shot selection. This is not something new and due to nerves. Poor shot selection is the only reason someone with his abilities would shoot 40% in college
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12/22/2011  4:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2011  4:35 PM
Baron Davis can't get healthy quick enough.
I hope that guys continue to concentrate on defense
until that happens.
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12/22/2011  4:41 PM
at the very least, he is here to observe, learn the plays, mentally watch the players/systems, offense, and defensive schemes.
He doesn't look chubby like seasons where weight and health looked like an issue.
As for a back hernia, that is an injury, just hope he gets the right treatment and recovers.
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12/22/2011  4:43 PM
Yet there were people suggesting we didn't need BDiddy and that we would do just fine with TD/Shunpert
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12/22/2011  4:47 PM
loweyecue wrote:Yet there were people suggesting we didn't need BDiddy and that we would do just fine with TD/Shunpert

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12/22/2011  6:43 PM
I wonder if Shump Shump, like Rondo, has a chance to drive to the basket, successfully creating more open shots for his team mates. Hopefully Shump gets a chance to play point guard beginning relatively early in the season. Don't think Baron Davis is a long term answer for the Knicks at point guard. He is not even the kind of guy you can count to stay healthy for the season. Clearly the Iman could be a long term ble point guard solution, once he acquires enough experience. So hopefully, MDA handles the potential injury to Bibby, by finding minutes at point guard for Shumpert.
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12/22/2011  8:28 PM
Stop calling Shump a point guard....he's not a point guard. Enough already with that. He's a damn good shooting guard. Practice and experience is all he needs.kid is a natural scorer...a natural defender....he can handle and has good vision....he is not Rondo. Cut it out
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12/22/2011  8:33 PM
TD goes through spots where he is just running around doing nothing. Then he hits 10 straight shots in a row. Sounds like a 6th man combo guard to me....the end.

Knicks need Baron cuz Melo is turning the corner and doing stuff I never thought he'd do. But he doesn't need to be running the point, scoring, rebounding and everything. Baron can't get here soon enough. He's not gonna need time to gel either. He never did. A healthy baron is gonna make the Knicks incredible

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