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nixluva
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12/14/2011  11:22 PM
I think this situation can play very well for the young guns in the Knicks Backcourt. TD, Iman and Fields can really get a chance to gain confidence and shine with no one really in the way. These are all homegrown players with actual TALENT!!! People nitpick and doubt cuz they haven't have much of a chance to prove what they can do, but they're very young and so that just goes to follow. TD and Fields got swallowed up a bit, but they are young players in their 1st playoff experience.

The fact that none of the 3 young guns is a pure passer is what seems to be the real knock. Fields already showed a ton of promise as a mature and well rounded player. I think people are nuts to think we've seen the best that Fields has to offer. Some are acting as if Fields has zero upside and can't possibly get better just cuz he wasn't a high pick. Fields can surely play better and refine his skills to become the perfect glue guy that he showed for much of the season.

TD is really the biggest fear of all, cuz he's in a key spot. Last year I thought TD had turned the corner and posted that, only to see him fall back to some bad habits, but I wasn't blind and he did have a great little stretch where he played extremely well at the PG. If he can tap into that mentality and stay there TD could really improve to a great degree and be the man for the job. Who knows maybe he can prove people wrong and actually make the needed improvements.

Iman is a guy that i've been harping on since just before the draft. This kid has so much talent and it's not RAW as some seem to think. He's got things to learn but the kid can play. This is a perfect spot for him cuz he won't have to carry the team. He can just play his game, which starts on defense. All he needs is a few steals and fastbreak dunks to get the crowd behind him and get his confidence up. I think he could become our 6th man this year if given the chance to be aggressive offensively. It's what he did in college and he's got the physical talent to do it. Iman against 2nd unit defenders can't be a bad spot for him to do his thing. I can see him getting off and building confidence. All 3 guys have something to prove and need to grow into the roles they have, but this is a great chance for them to do it with no one in front of them.

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12/15/2011  12:06 AM
I think we all pretty much agree we have three young guards with potential, but if you look at our front line, it's clear that if we just have a good (not great) backcourt, we could be a pretty special team this year. (Make no mistake -- signing Tyson meant we mean business this season.) So it would be nice to have a couple of solid vets in the backcourt to provide some stability in case the young guys do not produce as we hope they will.

That said, yes, ideally our young guys play a lot of minutes and play really well, but we need some insurance in the way of proven vets, even if these vets are not necessarily great. I think Bibby was a start. He got the minimum and we didn't give anyone up, so there was no risk at all. Let's see who else we can get.

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12/15/2011  12:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2011  12:11 AM
I think a good thing about Iman being here is that he'll PUSH Toney. Saw some practice footage from today on knicksnow.com and Iman was dogging Toney and playing him really physically and making him work (it plays during the Melo 1 on 1 interview).

I wouldn't be shocked if Iman starts at some point very soon. D'Antoni seems to really like him. Regardless, I think he'll play a lot this season.

THAT SAID, I still think we need a veteran playmaker, or at least a good playmaker. Toney just doesn't have it in his game yet. And I'm pretty convinced that Iman is a Shooting Guard, not a Point. I think Baron could be decent. We might have to wait until next summer to really get a solid one for the MLE. We don't really have any other way. Unless there is another amnesty or two before Friday's amnesty deadline.

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12/15/2011  12:11 AM
let's get shawne williams back to further bolster the frontcourt and then see what bibby gives us.

if bibby really is washed up, we can sign baron in february when he's healthy.

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12/15/2011  12:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2011  5:14 AM
The season will live and die by the play of the guards. Maybe all the young guys blossom this year but I wouldn't bank on it. I hope they get a little more veteran help

I am thinking more in line with the OP now... it will be good for their development and the reinforcement will come at the right time

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12/15/2011  12:20 AM
Agreed Nixluva. Why can't we have a veteran front court with the stars, and a young and hungry back court, with some veterans on the bench? I detested the idea of J Craw coming here and chucking shots instead of allowing our three young guards come into their own.

I am beyond excited about Iman. I haven't been this excited about a rookie since the 90's.

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12/15/2011  12:44 AM
One way I look at it is, that we should be good enough to win in the regular season even with only 1 vet guard. TD, Fields and Iman will really be at an advantage cuz teams can't really focus on them and all 3 can be aggressive on both ends due to that fact. As slippery as TD can be as we've already seen, he can get it done scoring wise, all we're asking him to do is to balance that with looking for the bigmen and his teammates a bit more. No one is expecting CP3, but if he can get up to around 7 asts, that may be enough to get the job done.

I'm positive that Iman can play the off the bench 6th man role even as a rookie. We won't be asking too much of him but to do what he's strong at doing already. He was a scorer already and i'm sure he can mix in some assists as well, but without the pressure of being the main setup man. I think this is a great spot for him to develop with very little pressure. It would be harder if there weren't such big stars to take most of the pressure of leading.

Field is the guy i'm worried about the least. He's on the floor with the 1st unit and really just has to develop chemistry with those guys and fill in the spaces. He already has shown he can do that and with a camp together to allow him to adjust I believe he'll be just fine as he was to start last year. I hear that MDA is giving him some plays and more of a defined role in the offense so this should take care of the standing around and watching syndrome he had when Melo came in. This is part of the evolution of a young player.

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12/15/2011  12:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2011  12:49 AM
i think within a month we'll all think iman is the best guard in the backcourt on this team.

(which to me, says good things about iman, but also bad things about the rest of our guards. we are thin there. here's hoping for baron.)

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12/15/2011  1:22 AM
Baron Davis is pulling a Shaq during his last days in Miami when he got traded to Phoenix all of a sudden he was healthy. He wants to clear waivers which is why he and his agent are exaggerating the injury . I want him on this team he's only gonna sign a one year minimum contract so it's a low risk high reward deal and honestly I trust him more running the point than Bibby or Douglas even if he isn't the same player he used to be
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12/15/2011  2:45 AM
As has been the case since the draft another report on Iman and also Jorts, whom some said was only gonna be a scrub and might not even make the team.

* Both draft picks, first-round combo guard Iman Shumpert and second-round center Josh Harrellson have been impressive. Shumpert looked electric in scrimmages, with a sweet 3-pointer and was active on both ends. “Shumpert’s playing well,’’ Stoudemire said. “He’s doing a phenomenal job in practice. He’s learning from us.‘’ The burly Harrellson has shown a decent jumper. “So far so good, really good,’’ head coach Mike D’Antoni said. ... The Knicks will hold open scrimmage Sunday at noon at the Garden.

http://Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/amar_likely_won_play_full_schedule_Q5RAJaqDxsvNaIaIZBE8FJ#ixzz1gaSZNplI

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12/15/2011  5:36 AM
Mray20 wrote:Baron Davis is pulling a Shaq during his last days in Miami when he got traded to Phoenix all of a sudden he was healthy. He wants to clear waivers which is why he and his agent are exaggerating the injury . I want him on this team he's only gonna sign a one year minimum contract so it's a low risk high reward deal and honestly I trust him more running the point than Bibby or Douglas even if he isn't the same player he used to be

Yup. I believe we will get Davis.

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12/15/2011  9:55 AM
nixluva wrote:As has been the case since the draft another report on Iman and also Jorts, whom some said was only gonna be a scrub and might not even make the team.

* Both draft picks, first-round combo guard Iman Shumpert and second-round center Josh Harrellson have been impressive. Shumpert looked electric in scrimmages, with a sweet 3-pointer and was active on both ends. “Shumpert’s playing well,’’ Stoudemire said. “He’s doing a phenomenal job in practice. He’s learning from us.‘’ The burly Harrellson has shown a decent jumper. “So far so good, really good,’’ head coach Mike D’Antoni said. ... The Knicks will hold open scrimmage Sunday at noon at the Garden.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/amar_likely_won_play_full_schedule_Q5RAJaqDxsvNaIaIZBE8FJ

i read that... usually beat reporters don't offer their OWN praise, and this was indeed pretty complimentary of Berman.

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12/15/2011  10:17 AM

Saw that article about Stat not playing all games. I just paid up nice to see knicks-Bobcats. The front end of a back to back, and 4 out of 5 all on the road!

I paid to see a star, not an understudy!

Denver at home, then two days off, then:

@Charlotte
@Cleveland

Day off

@Miami
@Houstan

My hope is he plays Charlotte to get the win, Take off Clev to rest two days for Miami. Im sure he'll "come down with a cold and not travel" thus getting to his ft lauderdale home for a few days and a big game in Miami.

Was not that excited about this season but Tyson signing is fundamentally the best move they have made in years. No starphucking on this one! It potentially protects and enhances MeloStat!

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12/15/2011  2:29 PM
Mray20 wrote:Baron Davis is pulling a Shaq during his last days in Miami when he got traded to Phoenix all of a sudden he was healthy. He wants to clear waivers which is why he and his agent are exaggerating the injury . I want him on this team he's only gonna sign a one year minimum contract so it's a low risk high reward deal and honestly I trust him more running the point than Bibby or Douglas even if he isn't the same player he used to be

I'm not so sure- CLE doctors clearly accepted there was a back injury, he then went and got a second opinion externally which indicates that he wasn't happy with what he was told, which suggests it was quite bad. I think the injury is legit, which is a problem as Baron 'Bad Back' Davis usually has poor conditioning anyways- how do you think he'll be after 2 months of rest? (on top of the lockout- it'll be almost a year since he played basketball by the time he gets back!). Still, I hope you're right- a healthy Davis would give us someone who can score a lot besides Melo and Stat.

Oh, by the way here's Berman's take:

If he is not bid on, Davis, 32, would be a free agent and likely will choose the Knicks, according to sources. Davis has a back injury of conflicting severity. Agent Todd Ramasar has told several media outlets, including The Post, he could be out up to eight-to-10 weeks with a possible herniated disk.

But some sources believe it’s not as severe and the dire prognostications is to scare off rebuilding, under-the-cap clubs from bidding.

Two people familiar with the situation told The Post that Davis just needs rest, is suffering from a bulging disk and could be back on the court as soon as two weeks.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/bringing_on_baron_sxoXMYBT5ny25tzEBvUvjO#ixzz1gdKEbJgA

Hope it's true!

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12/15/2011  3:20 PM
I think it's interesting that his agent issued the note about his injury status. He's under no obligation to do so - in fact, sharing that information makes it less likely for his client to get a job!

I suppose the one thing we know is that he's got some injury that will impact his effectiveness, particularly in this somewhat shortened season. He'd be a good weapon we could bring along slowly off the deep bench if necessary.

smackeddog wrote:I'm not so sure- CLE doctors clearly accepted there was a back injury, he then went and got a second opinion externally which indicates that he wasn't happy with what he was told, which suggests it was quite bad. I think the injury is legit, which is a problem as Baron 'Bad Back' Davis usually has poor conditioning anyways- how do you think he'll be after 2 months of rest? (on top of the lockout- it'll be almost a year since he played basketball by the time he gets back!). Still, I hope you're right- a healthy Davis would give us someone who can score a lot besides Melo and Stat.

Oh, by the way here's Berman's take:

If he is not bid on, Davis, 32, would be a free agent and likely will choose the Knicks, according to sources. Davis has a back injury of conflicting severity. Agent Todd Ramasar has told several media outlets, including The Post, he could be out up to eight-to-10 weeks with a possible herniated disk.

But some sources believe it’s not as severe and the dire prognostications is to scare off rebuilding, under-the-cap clubs from bidding.

Two people familiar with the situation told The Post that Davis just needs rest, is suffering from a bulging disk and could be back on the court as soon as two weeks.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/bringing_on_baron_sxoXMYBT5ny25tzEBvUvjO#ixzz1gdKEbJgA

Hope it's true!

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nixluva
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12/15/2011  3:30 PM
No matter what Baron's situation, he's gonna be behind the rest of the team in terms of conditioning and chemistry. I'd rather give the young guns a shot and let them grow into their roles. We're not talking about some strangers here, these 3 guards are our picks and have legit talent. IMO TD, Fields and Iman just need PT to continue to develop and grow. Baron is a really good option IF HEALTHY. Otherwise he's just a distraction from the process of developing our future backcourt. I just remember how NO ONE had any real confidence in Rondo being able to do the job. He got the nod and grew into the role. Maybe that happens for us with our young guards.
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