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12/12/2011  2:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2011  2:45 AM
Here we go again...I can't wait to wake up:

Clippers are close to deal for Chris Paul with Hornets
The Clippers would send center Chris Kaman, guard Eric Bledsoe, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the No. 1 draft pick to get the All-Star point guard, in deal said to be in the closing stages of talks.


here is the LA times linkhttp://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111212,0,2925892.story. and twitter corroboration:

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At least one Clippers player is telling people he's headed to New Orleans, according to source who has spoken with him.

that no. 1 pick is the unprotected t'wolves for next season, so likely top 5, as well as new orleans pick since they are gonna suck. kaman has 1 yr left on his deal i bet they immediately trade him (perhaps to the lakers for the trade exception if they can't do something for dwight; or to the rockets for a lesser package?)

clippers:
PG: CP3
SG: eric gordon
SF: caron
PF: blake griffin
C: deandre jordan
bench: mo williams, ryan gomes, randy foye, brian cook


gotta say that is a better package for CP3; hornets will have two high lottery picks in a year with a good lottery (anthony davis, andre drummond, jeremy lamb, harrison barnes), plus aminu and bledsoe (i dont think highly of either) and whatever they get for kaman. regardless, this isn't CYO basketball, the NBA shouldnt have stepped in. lakers should have CP3.

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12/12/2011  5:06 AM
sorry, missed this thread

Chris Paul looked destined to be traded to Los Angeles for the third time in four days on Sunday night, when the Los Angeles Times reported a deal that would send the New Orleans point guard to the Clippers was in the final stages of completion.

The first two failed attempts would have sent Paul to the Lakers, but NBA commissioner and de facto Hornets owner David Stern vetoed the first proposal and the Lakers backed out of the second when they failed to reach the league's requests in a revised deal.

Two sources told SI.com early Sunday that the Clippers and Hornets had re-engaged in discussions, and a source close to Clippers second-year guard Eric Bledsoe said late Sunday night that he was under the impression a deal had been agreed upon and that he would likely be traded to the Hornets.

When reached by phone late Sunday and asked if an agreement in principle had been reached, Clippers president Andy Roeser declined comment to SI.com.

According to the L.A. Times , the Hornets would receive Bledsoe, center Chris Kaman, second-year forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the Clippers' unprotected, 2012 first-round draft pick that they received from Minnesota and that New Orleans general manager Dell Demps has coveted all along.

The deal must still be approved by Clippers owner Donald Sterling and the NBA, which owns the Hornets. The L.A Times claims the league will likely review the deal on Monday.

While Paul had long hoped he could wind up with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire in New York, sources close to Paul have previously told SI.com that Los Angeles -- either with the Clippers or Lakers -- is a desirable long-term landing spot, as well. Because Paul can become a free agent next summer, teams are looking for some assurance that he would eventually commit beyond this season.

Paul is known to be open to joining the Clippers long-term, but the supporting cast was likely taken into consideration when engaging in discussions with a franchise that has been a laughingstock for so long. While reigning Rookie of the Year Blake Griffin is the centerpiece of the team's new core, Eric Gordon -- whom the Clippers did not want to give up when the two teams talked last week, according to the L.A. Times -- and restricted free agent center DeAndre Jordan and are also key components.

And that's where it gets interesting: Jordan signed a four-year, $43 million offer sheet from Golden State on Sunday, according to this agent, Greg Lawrence. After seeing center Tyson Chandler sign with New York this week, the Warriors went after Jordan, banking on his athleticism and potential to improve upon his seven points and seven rebounds per game last season.

In order to free salary-cap room for the Jordan offer, the Warriors used their amnesty clause on veteran guard Charlie Bell and rescinded a qualifying offer to guard/forward Reggie Williams. Sources had confirmed that the Clippers gave Jordan a five-year, $40 million offer recently, and they will now have three days to match the Warriors' offer.

One source close to the Paul situation predicted the Clippers would match, noting that Jordan is a vital piece to their young core.

The Hornets seemed focused solely on the Clippers after the second trade attempt with the Lakers fell through. Sources said Golden State had not re-engaged in the discussions for Paul in any meaningful way. Boston was also among the teams pushing hard for Paul, but one of the principles of a Celtics proposal -- forward Jeff Green -- was signed to a one-year, $9 million deal on Saturday and cannot be traded by Boston for six months.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/11/clippers.chris.paul/index.html#ixzz1gJTwu99X

Clippers are close to deal for Chris Paul with Hornets
The Clippers would send center Chris Kaman, guard Eric Bledsoe, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the No. 1 draft pick to get the All-Star point guard, in deal said to be in the closing stages of talks.

December 11, 2011, 11:10 p.m.

The Clippers and the New Orleans Hornets were working vigorously Sunday night to consummate a blockbuster deal that would send All-Star point guard Chris Paul to Los Angeles to play for the Lakers' cross-town rivals, said two people with knowledge of the situation who were not authorized to speak on the matter.

The deal hasn't been completed, but both sides were in the closing stages of the negotiations.

The Clippers would send the Hornets center Chris Kaman, backup second-year guard Eric Bledsoe, second-year forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the No. 1 draft pick they got from the Minnesota Timberwolves that is unprotected in the 2012 draft, considered to be one of the best in recent years.

Clippers owner Donald Sterling and the NBA have to sign off on the deal.

A package from the Lakers for Paul was turned down by the league.

The NBA will probably review the Clippers deal Monday.

What may actually help the Clippers get the deal done are the young players involved and a potential top-flight draft pick.

When the Clippers and Hornets talked about a deal involving Paul last week, New Orleans had expressed interest in Eric Gordon. However, the Clippers didn't want to part with the 6-foot-3 guard who turns 23 on Christmas Day, because they consider him one of the NBA's top-five shooting guards.

He is not part of the deal that is currently being discussed.

Bledsoe just turned 22, but he will be out until late January recovering from surgery to repair torn cartilage in his right knee.

Aminu is 21 and Kaman is 29, but he's also in the final year of a contract that pays him $12.7 million, which makes him appealing.

The Clippers are aware that Paul, who will earn $16 million this season, can opt out of his contract this summer that pays him $17 million for the 2012-13 season.

The Clippers would love for Paul to sign an extension with them so they don't have him for just one season. If he doesn't agree to the extension, they hope he will pick up his option for next season.

Paul was involved in a trade to send him to the Lakers for Lamar Odom that involved three teams that was ultimately blocked by the NBA on Thursday.

It was a deal that would have sent Pau Gasol to the Houston Rockets, who in turn would have sent three players and a draft pick to the Hornets.

But the NBA killed that deal Thursday, opening the door for the Clippers to step back in.

Paul had called the NBA players' union and threatened legal action against the league for stopping the deal.

Paul is considered one of the top point guards in the NBA and the idea of putting him together with Clippers All-Star Blake Griffin would be hard for the Clippers to pass up.

Paul has averaged 18.7 points and 9.9 assists a game over his six-year career.

Clippers Coach Vinny Del Negro was asked about Paul earlier Sunday at the team's first of two practice sessions.

Del Negro never mentioned Paul's name and didn't talk about what it might take to get the All-Star guard to the Clippers

"We're always looking to improve our team and if there's an opportunity there, we're going to sit down and we're going to listen," Del Negro said after Sunday's practice. "But I'm pleased with the guys that we have here now. We'll make our adjustments as we see fit. If there are opportunities, we're going to take a look at them."

Jordan offer

The Clippers finally got the offer sheet Sunday afternoon that restricted free-agent center DeAndre Jordan signed with the Golden State Warriors for four years and $43 million.

The Clippers, who plan on matching the offer sheet or risk losing the 6-foot-11 Jordan, have three days to make a decision.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111212,0,2925892.story

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12/12/2011  5:07 AM
I think this is a better package for the Hornets, but I also think the Hornets should get Gordon back. It's Chris fekkin Paul
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12/12/2011  5:23 AM
This is the better package and this makes Stern's efforts cancelling the previous trades worth it? Hornets shouldn't have cared about "contending" with a few overpaid vets who's window to a championship may not even open. They should care about getting high draft picks in a draft that should net them the next superstar or stars. This deal is good for a rebuilding team and saves the face of Stern.
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12/12/2011  5:46 AM
If this goes through, all the Clippers need to do in order to contend is stay healthy.
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12/12/2011  8:15 AM

Its really not a shortage of teams that wanted Paul or their ability to pay him. It was just a question of what Paul would accept.

This is such an unusual situation as the league owns the Hornets. I doubt Stern steps in if its between two situated owners.

And lets not feel too bad for Paul, he is free to reject the deal and control his life by opting out and the financial advantages of being held hostage.

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12/12/2011  8:17 AM
Ira wrote:If this goes through, all the Clippers need to do in order to contend is stay healthy.

No guarantee because Donald Sterling is an evil ****

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12/12/2011  8:24 AM
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Ira wrote:If this goes through, all the Clippers need to do in order to contend is stay healthy.

No guarantee because Donald Sterling is an evil ****

Sterling plan has always been simple. Make a profit.

A few years ago he paid off his notes to buy the team and said he would invest back in personel.

He is doing all this even while his core has been the real estate business.

You really call him a "C.unt"?

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12/12/2011  8:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2011  8:42 AM
settlement and the heckling, I would say he's aearned the title of (fill in the blank)
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12/12/2011  9:25 AM
espn reporting, it's gordon and NOT bledsoe..
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7342778/los-angeles-clippers-deal-new-orleans-hornets-chris-paul-submitted-nba-source-says

By Chris Broussard and Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The New Orleans Hornets and Los Angeles Clippers submitted a multiplayer blockbuster deal to the NBA on Sunday that would send All-Star point guard Chris Paul to Los Angeles, a source with knowledge of the discussions said Monday.

But the trade as presented has one hitch: The league, which owns the Hornets, wanted Eric Bledsoe, while the Clippers want to keep their point guard, the source said.

The deal would be done if the league hadn't asked for Bledsoe, according to the source.

Arnovitz: Griffin's Star Power Key

Blake Griffin's presence could be the Clippers' biggest chip in luring Chris Paul to Los Angeles, ESPN.com's Kevin Arnovitz writes. Story

The trade as submitted would cost the Clippers guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman and forward Al-Farouq Aminu. It would also include Minnesota's first-round draft pick in 2012.

The Los Angeles Times, citing two sources familiar with the discussions, reported late Sunday the deal included Bledsoe, but the source told ESPN that is not so.

The Times' report said both parties were in the final stages of negotiations and that the NBA will likely review the deal Monday.

A source close to Paul said he has decided to pick up the option on his contract as part of the potential deal, meaning he would be in Los Angeles through at least the 2012-2013 season.

Paul's decision was what prompted the Clippers to put the pick they got from Minnesota in the deal, the source said.

The Clippers knew Paul was unlikely to sign an extension with any team that trades for him because the rules in place in the NBA's new labor agreement make it more advantageous for top stars to play the season out and then sign a longer deal in free agency, even if they're staying with the same team.

Sources told ESPN.com Sunday that the Clippers, in one scenario, merely wanted Paul to pick up the option at the time of the trade -- thus delaying his free agency by one year -- if they would cede one of their two most prized trade assets for Paul: Eric Gordon or a future No. 1 draft pick.

In a similar situation in February, Mo Williams agreed to pick up his option for the 2011-12 season to clinch the Clippers' deal with Cleveland that swapped Williams for Baron Davis. Sources said earlier Sunday that the Clippers -- if Paul agreed to do the same -- would be willing to reverse their previous stance and send either Gordon or the Minnesota pick to the Hornets because they'd know that Paul would be in place next to Blake Griffin for at least two seasons, removing the threat of trading for Paul and then watching him leave in free agency in July.

ESPN.com reported late Saturday that the Clippers had emerged as the "early front-runner" in the race to land Paul after the frustrated Lakers finally withdrew from three-team talks with the Hornets and Houston Rockets. One source close to the situation said early Sunday that New Orleans had asked the Clippers for Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and at least two future first-round picks in exchange for Paul.

Sources say that the Clippers, meanwhile, are quietly confident that having Paul for the next two seasons will ultimately lead to a long-term arrangement, especially if L.A. manages to sign Griffin to an extension next summer. ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Gordon and the Warriors' Stephen Curry are the players most coveted by New Orleans in a potential Paul deal, but the Warriors have been pessimistic about getting the assurances about the future they need from Paul to surrender Curry.

The Hornets remained under pressure to find a palatable deal for Paul, who can become a free agent in July 2012 and has already told the franchise that he does not intend to sign an extension. In addition to New Orleans' natural desire to find a new home for Paul as quickly as possible to avoid the sort of soap opera that engulfed the Denver Nuggets last season until they traded Carmelo Anthony in February, league officials now technically in charge of the Hornets also know that the union has hinted at soon pursuing legal action on Paul's behalf if a new trade is not hashed out.

Paul spoke extensively with the union on Thursday, after Stern squashed the original three-team trade, about what legal options were available. The union planned to speak with Paul Sunday to gauge how he wants to go forward and how vigorously he may want to fight the league's ruling, sources said.

While Paul is despondent, sources say he also understands that a drawn-out battle with the league, whether in the courts or elsewhere, could lead to a heavy public backlash in New Orleans. But there is also a push within the union to sue the NBA if no trade is consummated by Monday, with possible claims of circumvention or collusion.

New Orleans officials are likewise crestfallen by the NBA's steady refusal to sign off on any trade construction presented by the Hornets, Rockets and Lakers that would have landed Paul in L.A. next to Kobe Bryant after NBA commissioner David Stern vetoed the teams' original trade Thursday.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine. Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

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12/12/2011  9:27 AM
im sorry, but i don't think there was anything wrong with what stern did. since the nba owned the hornets, it basically made stern the owner and since he wasn't happy with the agreed upon package he vetoed the deal. owners do this constantly. i blame the media for reporting the deal was done before stern even got approval from the rest of the owners, because it's obvious that was done before anyone confirmed. this package is a great haul for one of the games best players and that's the way it should be.
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12/12/2011  9:28 AM
nyk4ever wrote:espn reporting, it's gordon and NOT bledsoe..
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7342778/los-angeles-clippers-deal-new-orleans-hornets-chris-paul-submitted-nba-source-says

By Chris Broussard and Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The New Orleans Hornets and Los Angeles Clippers submitted a multiplayer blockbuster deal to the NBA on Sunday that would send All-Star point guard Chris Paul to Los Angeles, a source with knowledge of the discussions said Monday.

But the trade as presented has one hitch: The league, which owns the Hornets, wanted Eric Bledsoe, while the Clippers want to keep their point guard, the source said.

The deal would be done if the league hadn't asked for Bledsoe, according to the source.

Arnovitz: Griffin's Star Power Key

Blake Griffin's presence could be the Clippers' biggest chip in luring Chris Paul to Los Angeles, ESPN.com's Kevin Arnovitz writes. Story

The trade as submitted would cost the Clippers guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman and forward Al-Farouq Aminu. It would also include Minnesota's first-round draft pick in 2012.

The Los Angeles Times, citing two sources familiar with the discussions, reported late Sunday the deal included Bledsoe, but the source told ESPN that is not so.

The Times' report said both parties were in the final stages of negotiations and that the NBA will likely review the deal Monday.

A source close to Paul said he has decided to pick up the option on his contract as part of the potential deal, meaning he would be in Los Angeles through at least the 2012-2013 season.

Paul's decision was what prompted the Clippers to put the pick they got from Minnesota in the deal, the source said.

The Clippers knew Paul was unlikely to sign an extension with any team that trades for him because the rules in place in the NBA's new labor agreement make it more advantageous for top stars to play the season out and then sign a longer deal in free agency, even if they're staying with the same team.

Sources told ESPN.com Sunday that the Clippers, in one scenario, merely wanted Paul to pick up the option at the time of the trade -- thus delaying his free agency by one year -- if they would cede one of their two most prized trade assets for Paul: Eric Gordon or a future No. 1 draft pick.

In a similar situation in February, Mo Williams agreed to pick up his option for the 2011-12 season to clinch the Clippers' deal with Cleveland that swapped Williams for Baron Davis. Sources said earlier Sunday that the Clippers -- if Paul agreed to do the same -- would be willing to reverse their previous stance and send either Gordon or the Minnesota pick to the Hornets because they'd know that Paul would be in place next to Blake Griffin for at least two seasons, removing the threat of trading for Paul and then watching him leave in free agency in July.

ESPN.com reported late Saturday that the Clippers had emerged as the "early front-runner" in the race to land Paul after the frustrated Lakers finally withdrew from three-team talks with the Hornets and Houston Rockets. One source close to the situation said early Sunday that New Orleans had asked the Clippers for Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and at least two future first-round picks in exchange for Paul.

Sources say that the Clippers, meanwhile, are quietly confident that having Paul for the next two seasons will ultimately lead to a long-term arrangement, especially if L.A. manages to sign Griffin to an extension next summer. ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Gordon and the Warriors' Stephen Curry are the players most coveted by New Orleans in a potential Paul deal, but the Warriors have been pessimistic about getting the assurances about the future they need from Paul to surrender Curry.

The Hornets remained under pressure to find a palatable deal for Paul, who can become a free agent in July 2012 and has already told the franchise that he does not intend to sign an extension. In addition to New Orleans' natural desire to find a new home for Paul as quickly as possible to avoid the sort of soap opera that engulfed the Denver Nuggets last season until they traded Carmelo Anthony in February, league officials now technically in charge of the Hornets also know that the union has hinted at soon pursuing legal action on Paul's behalf if a new trade is not hashed out.

Paul spoke extensively with the union on Thursday, after Stern squashed the original three-team trade, about what legal options were available. The union planned to speak with Paul Sunday to gauge how he wants to go forward and how vigorously he may want to fight the league's ruling, sources said.

While Paul is despondent, sources say he also understands that a drawn-out battle with the league, whether in the courts or elsewhere, could lead to a heavy public backlash in New Orleans. But there is also a push within the union to sue the NBA if no trade is consummated by Monday, with possible claims of circumvention or collusion.

New Orleans officials are likewise crestfallen by the NBA's steady refusal to sign off on any trade construction presented by the Hornets, Rockets and Lakers that would have landed Paul in L.A. next to Kobe Bryant after NBA commissioner David Stern vetoed the teams' original trade Thursday.

Chris Broussard covers the NBA for ESPN The Magazine. Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

well that's certainly a fair price for Paul

why does that article make it seem like Bledsoe is better than Gordon?

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12/12/2011  9:31 AM
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well that's certainly a fair price for Paul

why does that article make it seem like Bledsoe is better than Gordon?

it's chris broussard... lol

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12/12/2011  9:51 AM
it's a strange world to me when some of the top free agents demand a trade to the Nets and favor a trade to the Clippers.

BTW, if the trade goes thru, I love it that CP3 will be a constant reminder to the Lakers that they missed out on this dude. I hate the Lakers.

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12/12/2011  9:53 AM
martin wrote:it's a strange world to me when some of the top free agents demand a trade to the Nets and favor a trade to the Clippers.

BTW, if the trade goes thru, I love it that CP3 will be a constant reminder to the Lakers that they missed out on this dude. I hate the Lakers.

same martin. F the lakers. i wonder if paul will actually reup there in 2 years?

Wojo is reporting Gordon is NOT in the deal. i don't know what to think now.

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12/12/2011  9:57 AM
2012 possible story line: BGriffin = microfracture surgery, out for a year; CP3 plays all of 37 games after rust/injuries in 2012, Clips in the lottery...
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12/12/2011  9:59 AM
martin wrote:it's a strange world to me when some of the top free agents demand a trade to the Nets and favor a trade to the Clippers.

BTW, if the trade goes thru, I love it that CP3 will be a constant reminder to the Lakers that they missed out on this dude. I hate the Lakers.

I heard that Deron Williams is forcing his way to the Washington Generals.

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12/12/2011  10:01 AM
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martin wrote:it's a strange world to me when some of the top free agents demand a trade to the Nets and favor a trade to the Clippers.

BTW, if the trade goes thru, I love it that CP3 will be a constant reminder to the Lakers that they missed out on this dude. I hate the Lakers.

same martin. F the lakers. i wonder if paul will actually reup there in 2 years?

Wojo is reporting Gordon is NOT in the deal. i don't know what to think now.

**** the Lakers, **** the Celtics, **** the Heat, **** the Pacers, **** the Rockets, **** the Spurs, AND FUCK THE BULLS

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12/12/2011  10:02 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
well that's certainly a fair price for Paul

why does that article make it seem like Bledsoe is better than Gordon?

it's chris broussard... lol

good point

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12/12/2011  10:19 AM
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nyk4ever wrote:
martin wrote:it's a strange world to me when some of the top free agents demand a trade to the Nets and favor a trade to the Clippers.

BTW, if the trade goes thru, I love it that CP3 will be a constant reminder to the Lakers that they missed out on this dude. I hate the Lakers.

same martin. F the lakers. i wonder if paul will actually reup there in 2 years?

Wojo is reporting Gordon is NOT in the deal. i don't know what to think now.

**** the Lakers, **** the Celtics, **** the Heat, **** the Pacers, **** the Rockets, **** the Spurs, AND FUCK THE BULLS

you know what's funny about this? because you capitalized FUCK, it didn't get bleeped out. lol

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