Teams never get equal value for stars

Only once during four decades of covering professional basketball do I recall a team that became almost whole in a forced trade by its franchise player ... and that took two seasons after Milwaukee agreed to relocate Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (and Walt Wesley) for Junior Bridgeman, Brian Winters, David Meyers and Elmore Smith.

Bucks executive Wayne Embry keenly salvaged the susceptible situation (the Knicks, Kareem’s other option, offered declining veterans) accruing promising (mostly) young talent in the deal. Embry understood there would be a sheer fall from grace to the bottom of the standings, and correctly assessed the Bucks would have ample battlefield experience to facilitate forthcoming rookies who figured to be regal.
HISTORY REPEATS: David Stern should know that, like the Nuggets with Carmelo Anthony (above), the Magic and Hornets will never bring back more talent for Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.

In 1977, two years after Kareem’s power play, Kent Benson was drafted No. 1 and Marques Johnson No. 3. The Bucks — adding Sidney Moncrief and other choice morsels along the way — advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals in five straight seasons.

Numerous teams over the years have allowed their discontented superstars to get away without receiving near equal value.

Julius Erving’s refusal to report to Nets camp coerced impoverished owner Roy Boe to sell his services to the 76ers for $3 million. The franchise wasn’t the same until Jason Kidd arrived and guided it to two Finals.

The Timberwolves went from eight playoffs in a row, the last a conference finals, to perennial lottery participation in the wake of Kevin Garnett push to flee. The Celtics became automatic championship contenders, winning one. The T’Wolves, who got Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green and two first-rounders, instantly developed into Minny Ha-Ha.

We all believed the Nuggets did pretty well for themselves, considering the relentless pressure Carmelo Anthony put on them to trade him before camp even opened last season. Meanwhile, months later, what do they have to show for surrendering their money-making, crowd-pleasing official scorer? Dino Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov and aging Andre Miller, who was exchanged for Raymond Felton?

You get the point. Evidently, David Stern did, too. More important, underlines a league source, the group that’s about to purchase the Hornets from the league, branded the deal sadly lacking.

That’s why he squashed the original three-way trade accenting Chris Paul. The commissioner rightly felt the Hornets were taking on too many overpaid players and not getting enough in return — in terms of capable youth and draft picks — to justify sacrificing their meal ticket.

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ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You won't get good value for your superstar...unless he's a player Dolan really wants.

and the bottom line for Denver is that they still got diddly squat (role players etc) & New York got a superstar & a solid veteran PG that they spun into a top 5 Center. In my opinion they got "owned" by dumb ass Dolan

ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You won't get good value for your superstar...unless he's a player Dolan really wants.

and the bottom line for Denver is that they still got diddly squat (role players etc) & New York got a superstar & a solid veteran PG that they spun into a top 5 Center. In my opinion they got "owned" by dumb ass Dolan

Last season's results did not support your analysis. Carmelo will have to prove it this year.

and Gallo/Chandler/Felton/Moz's stats & record & 1st round exit with Denver somehow confirmed it as a win for Denver???

Exactly. The Melo was a bad trade group is looking pretty foolish right about now. When the Nuggets are in the lottery year after year while
the Knicks are serious contenders MAYBE they'll come around!

Bonn1997 wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You won't get good value for your superstar...unless he's a player Dolan really wants.

and the bottom line for Denver is that they still got diddly squat (role players etc) & New York got a superstar & a solid veteran PG that they spun into a top 5 Center. In my opinion they got "owned" by dumb ass Dolan

Last season's results did not support your analysis. Carmelo will have to prove it this year.

and Gallo/Chandler/Felton/Moz's stats & record & 1st round exit with Denver somehow confirmed it as a win for Denver???

Denver was less bad than we were last year despite being in the tougher conference. It's up to Carmelo to prove people like you right this year.

The value of this trade can't be decided on the balance of last season, but rather, against the next 5 years. Who cares if Denver was able to mesh and do well in what was left of the regular season? Their future prospects have changed for the worse and NY's have changed for the better. That's why we paid so much.

ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:You won't get good value for your superstar...unless he's a player Dolan really wants.

and the bottom line for Denver is that they still got diddly squat (role players etc) & New York got a superstar & a solid veteran PG that they spun into a top 5 Center. In my opinion they got "owned" by dumb ass Dolan

Last season's results did not support your analysis. Carmelo will have to prove it this year.

and Gallo/Chandler/Felton/Moz's stats & record & 1st round exit with Denver somehow confirmed it as a win for Denver???

And out first round sweep to an ancient Celtics team confirmed it for us, right. I think things will work out for both teams.