rvwink wrote:Nixluva,

Why do you think Glen went after Paul first, and only when Paul was clearly out of reach shifted to Chandler. That's the only act that I question about Grunwald's performance thus far. Also, since Walsh is a consultant to the Knicks, I wonder whether he isn't helping Glen figure out what to do, step by step.

That's how it goes. The Knicks had to hang in there on the CP3 deal as long as there was a chance, but don't assume that the Knicks hadn't had Tyson in mind the entire time as a plan B. They were ready with that plan and executed it fairly quickly. Not much different than after Lebron decided, they had plan B ready to roll.

IMO I think they knew they had very little chance of landing Paul, but they had to make a good faith effort just in case. They can't know what the other interested teams would offer or not. SO they had to go thru the process to see how it played out. Still I think they knew that they were most likely going to have to go after other options given their lack of assets to offer in a trade for CP3.

martin wrote:

rvwink wrote:Nixluva,

Why do you think Glen went after Paul first, and only when Paul was clearly out of reach shifted to Chandler. That's the only act that I question about Grunwald's performance thus far. Also, since Walsh is a consultant to the Knicks, I wonder whether he isn't helping Glen figure out what to do, step by step.

Mostly cause everyone thought he was a sure-fire re-sign for Dallas.

It seems that a lot of people don't understand the ebb and flow of Free Agency. Make no mistake tho, that the Knicks did in fact have plan A, B, C... This is how Walsh prepared and i'm positive that the Knicks were also ready and waiting to move on to different scenarios depending upon what happened. Once it was clear that Tyson was gettable, they went hard after him and that's all that matters. The team makes sense now and i'm very happy.

martin wrote:
Mostly cause everyone thought he was a sure-fire re-sign for Dallas.

It was announced on November 30th, that Chandler didn't think he was going back to Dallas. That seems like plenty of prior notice.

My guess is that perhaps the Knicks were sitting on the sidelines waiting to see who the other high bidder was, and what financial offer they would have to make to close the deal. Plus they had to know that they had virtually no shot to get CP3 in a sign and trade, with the ssole exception of trading Amare for Paul, I actually had a problem with that offer. Not a fine way to treat the one guy that gave the Knicks the ability to legitimately compete for other super stars.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

rvwink wrote:Nixluva,

Why do you think Glen went after Paul first, and only when Paul was clearly out of reach shifted to Chandler. That's the only act that I question about Grunwald's performance thus far. Also, since Walsh is a consultant to the Knicks, I wonder whether he isn't helping Glen figure out what to do, step by step.

Mostly cause everyone thought he was a sure-fire re-sign for Dallas.

This is exactly right. Chandler was not a realistic option at the time. Knicks FO had a plan for Paul then shifted when they saw their chance.

Glen Grunwald said that they did have eyes on Tyson, but it wasn't clear how they could get him early on. Once they saw the landscape and who was bidding on him and for how much, I think they knew they had a chance to scoop him up. They knew they didn't really have a chance to land CP3! The new Amnesty was HUGE in terms of the Knicks being able to make something happen this year rather than next off season. Grunwald basically admitted that they were eager and glad to get out of the saving cap space rut. I don't think they had any intention of waiting til the end of the year again. Not with knowing they could Amnesty CB and gain all that cap space to grab someone now. Something like this was inevitable.

We can still add a piece here and a piece there, but we def need a veteran PG.
But like Nixluva said this wasn't on our radar, we must credit the front office with some props. They pulled of some trades here that kept us humming like beehive for 48-72 hours straight. I can't remember an offseason where the Knicks made this type of progress.

I am also going to look for our backcourt to come alive but I think fan expectations will put them under tremendous pressure. We should be careful to make sure we cut them some slack. Rookies and one year guys can hit a wall, this is my main worry.

loweyecue wrote:We are all in, win now or go to hell mode. After 10 years of not even sniffing the playoffs, I am ok with it. We don't have the patience or discipline to build from grounds up. Clusterstarphucking is what we do. No reason why we wouldn't go all out. This team will be relevant for 3-4 years barring injury.

Long term planning very good for the Knicks: all 4 big contracts expire at the same time in 4 years when all will be 33 after 2014-15 season. Like it.