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nixluva
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12/9/2011  9:28 AM
Alan Hahn has stated that there is a new provision in the CBA that allows Players to restructure their deals. I haven't gotten all the details yet, but this could be huge if it's true and if it's robust enough of a rule to clear a few million dollars in cap space.

The deal, however, will eat up a large chunk of the salary-cap space that had been preserved for Paul, who can opt out next summer and become a free agent. A provision in the new collective-bargaining agreement, which was officially ratified by the players and approved by the owners Thursday, does allow players to restructure deals, so there is a chance Paul can be in play if Anthony and Stoudemire agree to help make some room.
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12/9/2011  9:35 AM
Here is another rule that also seems to add more fuel to what a team can offer in a trade. It seem like they've changed the $3 million in cash provision so that you can offer it for more than one year.

Trade rules

In the previous CBA, teams could receive a maximum of $3 million cash in any trade. The Nov. 26 agreement changed this limit to $3 million per year. Hunter's memo specified that the $3 million limit will grow by 3 percent each year -- meaning it will rise to $3.09 million next season -- and that the amount is not netted. Translation: Cash received in trade does not offset cash sent to other teams in trade.

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12/9/2011  9:37 AM
that would be great we could all live happily ever after
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12/9/2011  9:55 AM
I'm surprised we haven't heard more about this new rule. I'm still looking into it more. I want to know more of the parameters on just how this would work.
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12/9/2011  9:59 AM
yea kinda changes everything too good to be true. I just can't see it with the NBA
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12/9/2011  10:10 AM
Apparently players will be allowed to restructure deal up to 40%. This is unofficial but I found one guy commenting on the new rule here http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674741

But the point of this thread is that the new rule allows players to restructure their deal up to 40%.. meaning even with the signing of Tyson Chandler, Amare and Melo can restructure their deals so all three (Amare, Melo, Paul) can make 15 million next year.

Considering the events that have went down, I see this becoming increasingly likely. And to clarify for everyone else, I mean Paul signing with the Knicks as a free agent, not trading for him.

If the league wants Paul on the Hornets "indefinitely", that effectively means he'll be a free agent.

Melo and Amare at $15 million, Tyson at $13-14 million, leaves $15 million for Paul. And keep this in mind, here's the selling point of this:

Melo and Amare only have to give up $4 million each for this to happen. They can just restructure the first year of their deal and keep the amounts for the rest of the remaining 3 years.

Still trying to get more confirmation on the specifics.

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12/9/2011  10:17 AM
• A new "renegotiation and extension" provision allows an existing contract to be renegotiated so the player is paid a smaller amount over a longer period, but the player's salary cannot decrease by more than 40 percent. Renegotiations previously could only increase a player's salary.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329408/new-items-added-nba-collective-bargaining-agreement

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12/9/2011  10:25 AM
cool so we sign CP3 in the off-season

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12/9/2011  11:20 AM
C-Tyson/Jorts/JJ
PF-Amare/JJ/
SF-Melo/Fields
SG-Nalod/TD
PG-CP3/shump
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12/9/2011  11:37 AM
Nalod wrote:C-Tyson/Jorts/JJ
PF-Amare/JJ/
SF-Melo/Fields
SG-Nalod/TD
PG-CP3/shump

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12/9/2011  11:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2011  11:41 AM
"Melo and Amare only have to give up $4 million each for this to happen"

That will never happen in a 'million' years. NBA players...or anyone anywhere for that matter will not give up 4M a year...ever!

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12/9/2011  11:41 AM
Rookie wrote:"Melo and Amare only have to give up $4 million each for this to happen"

That will never happen in a 'million' years. NBA players...or anyone anywhere for that matter will give up 4M a year...ever!

not about giving up... it's about delaying payment of

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12/9/2011  11:43 AM
...well that's a horse of a totally different color then. That would be insane. 4 potential allstars on one team. I can't wait to to the Gilbert memo on that one!
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12/9/2011  12:10 PM
It's just an interesting development and perhaps a reason why the Knicks have been so confident in moving on Tyson.
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12/9/2011  12:27 PM
i think they would have to give at least 1 or 2 years longer and take some money back from Melo, Amare, and Tyson Chandler, in the range of.

Melo
Amare both 5mill

Chandler 3mill

I am not sure what will happen to our rookies. We might get to keep 1 or 2 of them, but most likely not Fields. TD, Shumpert, Jorts *probably 2 of these guys*

or

Shumpert, Jorts, Fields *probably let go*, and TD all some of these guys should get packaged for something....

It's a possibility, but I think they better ask Melo and Amare if they are willing to do so, then Chandler *after signing*
If not, just use the MLE, in fact, I think they should use it anyway, the MLE if used wisely, is a max 4 year deal, it no longer is a horrible contract.
In fact, i think if the player is productive, its a damn pretty good one. Like Shane Batter, he signed with Miami for the mini-like MLE money, I wouldn't be surprised
if Batter would be used in a packaged in the future. As long as we sign a player that is productive and not injured, it will be a an asset.

I really wonder what is Kris Humphries worth at this point? I would think that the Net's would resign him, if they lose out on Nene. But I don't see
Humphries going back their, because he probably would be a pawn to Orlando at some point. I think hes a nice double double guy to have.
With this shortened season, a nice deep bench could preserver our players. Big men at that price would be an asset, I think he can play backup and PF/C.
Also, if Turiaf is really sent to Dever for a center, MosGoV or Kousta Kofous, we probably should just look for one athletic PF/C in Sean Williams.

It's possible we use the MLE or even divide it up. PG, SG, G/F?
I would like to add an athlete to that role too, like Sean Williams. I guess with JJ already, Humphries isn't needed. A cheaper option in Sean Williams might make more sense.


Barea? He seemed like a great pick and role player, great shooter, and great penetration *finishing as well, it's amazing how he does it with his size*. His defense isn't really that bad for someone his size either.

Affalo?

these are the only 2 Guards, I would think about using the MLE on.

SG

Jason Richardson, his game is based on athleticism and his days will eventually lead him to a Vince Carter/ Tmac 2.0. I wouldn't like to go after him, but if they did a 1 or 2 year deal, it wouldn't be too bad of a mistake.

Anthony Parker, his game doesn't rely on athleticism at all and he could play a little PG, SG, SF, with SG being is natural position.
In fact, hes the exact opposite from Richardson, he relies on his shot, he is a great team player, and his good basketball IQ. His defense is okay, he tries, he just isn't great on in. I would say he is about an average defender. Any how, he can teach Iman a pointer or 2 about the range. I just like vets like him that can hit big shots with limited minutes.
He can play from 30minutes a game to 5 minutes a game. He is a very consistent shooter and I have seen him hit many clutch shots myself. Problem is, many title contenders are looking to add him, but we don't know at what price. I think he will be anywhere from 10m(total) for 3 years to the full MLE for 4 years.

Delone West
Tj Ford

SF
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Shawne Williams

many of the two way players, that can shoot and have the size and defense to guard the Lebron's are gone and be a threat from 3point range.
With that said, I think we should keep Shawne Williams. Especially if he is willing to come at a discount? He has experience with the players, the team, and he know's his role.
He is probably best suited at the SF. I don't think he can play the SG effectively, because he doesn't have a good handle or driving ability. He is a corner 3 specialist.
However, he has amazing reach too, he can probably guard some SG's but have a harder time playing it on offense. I am not sure if he has the foot speed, but with his size and reach, it will help. He can play some PF but I wouldn't recommend it, however, if a true Center is playing side to side with him, he might be able to pull a couple of minutes if our opponents decide to go small. For example, if the Heat

Chalmers
Wade
Battier
Lebron
Bosh

Shawne could be used at the 4, however, Chandler wouldn't be able to full guard Bosh or stay down low to help. He has to go back n forth. This is why i would like to sign
an athletic PF/C, in Sean Williams. I feel he is the cheapest and most athletic big men with experience available. It's possible the Knick's might be able to find a 2nd rounder that didnt make a team or didn't get drafted.

But in no way, do I have Shawne Williams, trying to guard KG, at PF.

Wilson Chandler
Brandon Wright
Peja
Redd
Kapono * dont think he signed with Lakers yet*

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12/9/2011  12:47 PM
Rookie wrote:"Melo and Amare only have to give up $4 million each for this to happen"

That will never happen in a 'million' years. NBA players...or anyone anywhere for that matter will not give up 4M a year...ever!

I think its possible, BUT, they would want an extension in years to make up for it. Especially Amare, I think he would do strongly consider it, the max is 5 years I believe.
Which would only mean 1 more year, they should ask Melo and Amare first. I think if it's Cp3 or Deron, they will probably do it. However, I am not sure if Chandler would part with
more than 2-3mill. And I wouldn't ask him till he signs our contract on paper first. But we have to get an idea if we if our big 2 are willing to take a deduction first.


However, we probably won't be looking to sign players to more then 1 year deals again. I think we should still use the MLE because we could use the depth for so many back to back to back games. If the player we sign is productive, he could be an asset as well. With a shorter deal and lower much lower increase in salary per year, it helps it out a lot.
Basically, the owners in general, have to stop handing out full MLE to everyone. I like this idea because it stops player like Eddy Curry/ Jerome James/ Dampier to earn their contracts. It reinsures the teams and players to continue to stay in shape and work for their next contracts.

If we aren't looking to spend our MLE and exceptions, it hurt's our chances this year. I think a nice depth would help this shortened season and preservers our players for the playoffs/Finals. I think we actually have a 12 - 13 man roster too, with 3 spots to fill. I am assuming Jordan isn't coming because of his 1.5m buyout and in my opinion, he isn't ready or worth the buyout

Shumpert
Fields
Melo
Amare
Chandler

TD
JJ
Jorts
Walker
Brown
Rautins
Balkman
Turiaf - he must be sent out and lower salary for Chandler. I am assuming we land back 1 player that makes less, It's possible we send another player or 2 to go with him.

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