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Mray20
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12/7/2011  3:24 AM
We saw this movie last year when everyone said The Knicks have nothing that Denver wants, The Nets and Rockets both had so much more to give than the Knicks etc, Now this year The Warriors, Clippers and Lakers are in the running and the Knicks are not....Hogwash! CP3 wants NY and will get NY and unlike with Carmelo there is no uncertainty of what the new CBA will be next season. Furthermore we also have one thing none of the other teams have and that is the man in the shadows Isiah Thomas ...Ok forget that last part .
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12/7/2011  3:28 AM
This isn't like Anthony situation at all.

Paul has no ties to NY besides a wedding toast and the Knicks have 0 assets to acquire him.

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12/7/2011  3:31 AM
I think the reason people are panicking is because the Knicks want to acquire Chris Paul
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12/7/2011  3:45 AM
I'm not panicking, because I feel the Knicks will be just fine without Paul. sure it would be fun to see what would happen if the Knicks got Paul, but it would also be a very iffy situation. If they don't get Paul things get clearer and the team clearly goes hard to find a more permanent player at Center and fillout the rest of the roster with a SG and another PF. I don't see that as a negative but in some ways a more stable path to success.

I LOVE Chris Paul as a player, but we have such a thin roster and it could get even thinner after trading for Paul. The one scenario I think would be good for the Knicks is if we got CP3 and Okafor. At least then we'd address 2 areas that need help. People don't like Okafor, but he'd be an upgrade and on this team I think he'd make a huge difference. Okafor is a solid NBA PF/C and we could use a presence like that in the middle. Chris Paul or not the Knicks will be fine IMO. The Knicks have cap space coming in 2012 and they'll be able to use it to fix the team.

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12/7/2011  5:12 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:This isn't like Anthony situation at all.

Paul has no ties to NY besides a wedding toast and the Knicks have 0 assets to acquire him.


Also, the Knicks don't have enough assests to offer a trade.
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12/7/2011  5:39 AM
I think the KNicks offer simply lacks overall talent, but could at least allow them to start from scratch with no serious commitments. We can take CP3 and Okafor off their hands and give them 2 expiring contracts in CB and Turiaf. Good young players in Fields and TD. Yes neither is a star, but they are young players that have shown then can play solid roles. Knicks can also give future picks and $3mil in cash. It isn't sexy, but it's not awful either. It all depends on what the other offers are and if Paul will stay with those teams long term.

The Warriors have too far to go in building a title contending roster. Boston is too near the end of their run. If i'm his Agent I tell Paul to steer clear of Sterling and the LA Clippers. That team is the graveyard for many promising careers. I'd narrow it down to LA or NY. Those cities have the commitment to putting the players around him to win a title. If you think about it, this is what happened with Melo last year. The longer the process went on, it became clear that NY was a viable option despite what the Media said.

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12/7/2011  6:12 AM
nixluva wrote:I think the KNicks offer simply lacks overall talent, but could at least allow them to start from scratch with no serious commitments. We can take CP3 and Okafor off their hands and give them 2 expiring contracts in CB and Turiaf. Good young players in Fields and TD. Yes neither is a star, but they are young players that have shown then can play solid roles. Knicks can also give future picks and $3mil in cash. It isn't sexy, but it's not awful either. It all depends on what the other offers are and if Paul will stay with those teams long term.

The Warriors have too far to go in building a title contending roster. Boston is too near the end of their run. If i'm his Agent I tell Paul to steer clear of Sterling and the LA Clippers. That team is the graveyard for many promising careers. I'd narrow it down to LA or NY. Those cities have the commitment to putting the players around him to win a title. If you think about it, this is what happened with Melo last year. The longer the process went on, it became clear that NY was a viable option despite what the Media said.


LA Lakers man! They can offer Pau who would be the best player New Orleans is getting back. It is almost unfair what they will be building in LA.
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12/7/2011  7:16 AM
Lakes going for the big double but seem to fall short as pau in NOLA seams unlikely.

What team has a youth but could use Pau to get them over the top to satisfy NOLA rebuilding?

I assume Bynum goes to Orlando.

I was thinking (cap excluding) a combo of Pau to OK for Perk and say James Harden.

OK then has its big 3 in Durant-Pau-Westbrook.

Perk is still pretty young and Harden, while no star is a very good player who might shine without the other two.

Panic over not getting Paul? Can't lose what you never had.

Kudo's to the lakes if they pull this off. What happens when you turn over assets. Bynum has two rings, is only 24 and was a draft pick they took time with.

Knicks need to cultivate its own talent.

Lakers win titles.

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12/7/2011  7:34 AM
The problem with the Lakers is that they don't have enough young players and Draft picks for NOH. Clippers have the young players, but will they offer them up? After they do the deal will CP3 sign with the Clippers? Even with him, that team isn't likely to win a title right away. It's a great start of course, but they'll still have to finish off building that roster up.

I'm not sold on the Warriors either. Why would CP3 want to sign there? Will they actually sign Chandler to play along with CP3? There are so many details still up in the air but thank goodness this will be over soon and that will allow the Knicks to do what they've got to do after the trade is announced.

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12/7/2011  7:53 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
nixluva wrote:I think the KNicks offer simply lacks overall talent, but could at least allow them to start from scratch with no serious commitments. We can take CP3 and Okafor off their hands and give them 2 expiring contracts in CB and Turiaf. Good young players in Fields and TD. Yes neither is a star, but they are young players that have shown then can play solid roles. Knicks can also give future picks and $3mil in cash. It isn't sexy, but it's not awful either. It all depends on what the other offers are and if Paul will stay with those teams long term.

The Warriors have too far to go in building a title contending roster. Boston is too near the end of their run. If i'm his Agent I tell Paul to steer clear of Sterling and the LA Clippers. That team is the graveyard for many promising careers. I'd narrow it down to LA or NY. Those cities have the commitment to putting the players around him to win a title. If you think about it, this is what happened with Melo last year. The longer the process went on, it became clear that NY was a viable option despite what the Media said.


LA Lakers man! They can offer Pau who would be the best player New Orleans is getting back. It is almost unfair what they will be building in LA.

Or Paul can break down, Kobe can start to show his age,... and then you have a painfully average Lakers team, without Gasol.

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12/7/2011  8:58 AM
nixluva wrote:The problem with the Lakers is that they don't have enough young players and Draft picks for NOH. Clippers have the young players, but will they offer them up? After they do the deal will CP3 sign with the Clippers? Even with him, that team isn't likely to win a title right away. It's a great start of course, but they'll still have to finish off building that roster up.

This is why you get a third team involved.

Pau to OK as I mentioned before and Perk/Harden to Nola.

Pau to Warriors for Curry, Curry to Nola?

Nola-Lakes get a third team involved.

Pau-Dlee-Elis is not elite but gets you in the playoffs. Bit soft on defense but there are other pieces to put in.

Nola can sell Curry to its fans.

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12/7/2011  1:29 PM
This thread made so much more sense before the JJ signing.
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12/7/2011  1:40 PM
jrodmc wrote:This thread made so much more sense before the JJ signing.

I don't understand. What difference does it make if we have Jared or not? Jared is a security blanket of sorts. We don't know what else will happen yet, but we at least have SOMEONE to fill in at C. We likely will also sign Jorts who has a big body and toughness along with 6 fouls to give. Knicks have to start figuring out what this roster will look like regardless of if we get Paul or not.

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12/7/2011  4:39 PM
What about this scenario, let's say we don't get CP3, we then turn our attention to C/PF, grab Kaman from the Clips as a 1 year stopgap at the C position (UNR FA in 12), sign Grant Hill to the MLE, go after some depth with guys with upside looking to prove they are capable of playing a full 82 for their next and maybe last multi year contract i.e. Michael Redd, and then look at other PG options in 2012 like Randy Foye or Nash?

CB
Hill
Melo
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Kaman

Fields
Redd
Douglas
Jeffries
Walker
Shump

The biggest glaring problem to this is that we are still without a pure backup point guard. I like Douglas off the ball, so we would need to find someone on the cheap that can run the offense and distribute. Maybe take a flier on a guy like TJ Ford?

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12/7/2011  4:45 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:This isn't like Anthony situation at all.

Paul has no ties to NY besides a wedding toast and the Knicks have 0 assets to acquire him.


Also, the Knicks don't have enough assests to offer a trade.

Billups, Fields, Jordan, Shumpert, Douglas, big Kentucky kid for CP3
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12/7/2011  4:54 PM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:This isn't like Anthony situation at all.

Paul has no ties to NY besides a wedding toast and the Knicks have 0 assets to acquire him.


Also, the Knicks don't have enough assests to offer a trade.

Billups, Fields, Jordan, Shumpert, Douglas, big Kentucky kid for CP3

No.

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12/7/2011  4:58 PM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:This isn't like Anthony situation at all.

Paul has no ties to NY besides a wedding toast and the Knicks have 0 assets to acquire him.


Also, the Knicks don't have enough assests to offer a trade.

Billups, Fields, Jordan, Shumpert, Douglas, big Kentucky kid for CP3

Throw in 8 first round draft picks and you've got a reasonable offer.

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12/7/2011  5:49 PM
i think the knicks will eventually get Paul, too.

i don't think any team is going to make a big trade for him without an extension and it just doesn't make paul to sign an extension right now. he gets the most money if he opts out of his deal and re-signs with whichever team traded for him ($100M for 5yrs).

BUT with all the rumblings about paul wanting to go to the knicks as his prefered choice, what team is really going to be comfortable giving up a huge package for paul and then having him opt out? sure, they can give him more money than anyone. BUT, if he really wants to go elsewhere, he'll be completely free to.

i can't see any team giving up a real package for a risky bet like that. we'll see, but i think paul could definitely be a knick.

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12/7/2011  5:51 PM
fishmike wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:This isn't like Anthony situation at all.

Paul has no ties to NY besides a wedding toast and the Knicks have 0 assets to acquire him.


Also, the Knicks don't have enough assests to offer a trade.

Billups, Fields, Jordan, Shumpert, Douglas, big Kentucky kid for CP3


6 for 1, I love it!

can we buy Nola a minor league team? New jet?

Too bad its not like the good old days when you could sell a player for cash.

Dr. J was freaking sold to Philly for 6 mil in i976. Thats a lotta bicentennial cheddah back then!

Babe Ruth was sold.

Phuck the cap and all this bullsheet, Billups, Shump and 30 million should cover it.

Ok, 60 mil, we cover their payroll this year.

Uncle Jimmy Dole's got it like that!

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12/7/2011  8:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2011  8:49 PM
crzymdups wrote:i think the knicks will eventually get Paul, too.

i don't think any team is going to make a big trade for him without an extension and it just doesn't make paul to sign an extension right now. he gets the most money if he opts out of his deal and re-signs with whichever team traded for him ($100M for 5yrs).

BUT with all the rumblings about paul wanting to go to the knicks as his prefered choice, what team is really going to be comfortable giving up a huge package for paul and then having him opt out? sure, they can give him more money than anyone. BUT, if he really wants to go elsewhere, he'll be completely free to.

i can't see any team giving up a real package for a risky bet like that. we'll see, but i think paul could definitely be a knick.


Huge package? Probably not but bigger package than we can offer? Maybe. Even without an extension, it would be worthwhile for the Lakers to offer Bynum for Paul and that's better than our deal. Maybe the Spurs offer Manu + Hill. Then Parker plays more SG.
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