eViL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Do we use the amnesty clause on Balkman or Turiaf? I think Knicks should use it on Turiaf.

NEITHER.

the Knicks have to save their amnesty exception to insure themselves in case Amare gets permanently hurt or suffers a severe drop in his effectiveness. if Amare shows any signs of taking a step back, he gets amnestied next offseason paving the way for two max free agents to join Melo.

ouch. You being serious?

eViL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

eViL wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Do we use the amnesty clause on Balkman or Turiaf? I think Knicks should use it on Turiaf.

NEITHER.

the Knicks have to save their amnesty exception to insure themselves in case Amare gets permanently hurt or suffers a severe drop in his effectiveness. if Amare shows any signs of taking a step back, he gets amnestied next offseason paving the way for two max free agents to join Melo.

ouch. You being serious?

absolutely. if Amare's back injury lingers this year, or if any other new or old injury pops up, or even if just he shows any sign that he's slowing down, they have to use the amnesty on him. the protection of the amnesty clause is too powerful to waste on small contracts like Turiaf or Balkman.

I don't know man. Stat really got to me and I have him in my Knick heart with Ewing, Starks, Oak, LJ, H2O, Spree and the like. I don't think I can turn my back on him....but...you do make sense.

eViL wrote:i know it seems really cold, but if it has to get done, it has to get done...

Bottom line you don't going blowing your 1 chance to dump a contract on a $1.8M Balkman deal.

You save it for a rainy day because right now you have 2 huge contracts in Melo and Amare --- either one could go the Allan Houston route - you never know. If we add CP3 --- you add another dangerous long-term contract.

Save it for a HUGE deal - even if we don't use it for 5-7 years....don't blow in on Balkman when you could probably find a way to dump him for some 2nd round picks if necessary.

nixluva wrote:I think Amar'e is entering his KG stage now. He's really been perfecting his jumper and I think he'll be able to preserve his legs by using his jumper more than he has. He didn't start out a pick and pop guy, but he's got it now. Also having Melo and CB takes pressure off of STAT to have to be on the floor all the time in order for this team to win games. With every improvement in talent on this roster it takes that much more pressure of STAT's body. Adding more bigs is crucial. I'm just not as worried about him wearing down as much as I was.

no offense to Amare, but he can't enter a KG stage in his career EVER.

1) at Amare's age, KG didn't have the same history of injuries, and 2) KG has always impacted both sides of the floor.

i'm not saying "cut Amare now..." i'm saying "save the amnesty exception just in case things get bad."

using this tremendously powerful exception now to waive a small contract would be BRUTAL MISMANAGEMENT.

eViL wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think Amar'e is entering his KG stage now. He's really been perfecting his jumper and I think he'll be able to preserve his legs by using his jumper more than he has. He didn't start out a pick and pop guy, but he's got it now. Also having Melo and CB takes pressure off of STAT to have to be on the floor all the time in order for this team to win games. With every improvement in talent on this roster it takes that much more pressure of STAT's body. Adding more bigs is crucial. I'm just not as worried about him wearing down as much as I was.

no offense to Amare, but he can't enter a KG stage in his career EVER.

1) at Amare's age, KG didn't have the same history of injuries, and 2) KG has always impacted both sides of the floor.

i'm not saying "cut Amare now..." i'm saying "save the amnesty exception just in case things get bad."

using this tremendously powerful exception now to waive a small contract would be BRUTAL MISMANAGEMENT.

You misunderstand me. I'm not comparing KG and STAT as players. I was trying to say that KG has been playing a more conservative style of game. He's taking more jumpers and not relying on athletic ability. You don't seem him wasting energy dunking all the time or banging unnecessarily. Many players make the shift to a more efficient style of game as they get older. That's what I see Amar'e doing as well.

Allanfan20 wrote:

VDesai wrote:eVil is right about the amnesty- thats the exact reason it was created- unforeseen mistakes (well some were foreseen). Amare's back is a total wildcard.

Anyway, this roster is totally ridiculous. We need a playable big and we really do need Shawne Williams back. He and Toney had a stinky playoff, but they are basically our 4th and 5th men and our best shooters offensively...I'd love to upgrade them, but they both could also get a lot better having had more experience in this offense.

Yup. You guys wont be saying how much you love Amar'e if he's getting paid 20 million a year and missing entire seasons. It's not out of the question either, sadly.... with that said, I love the dude and agree he has a giant heart, and am rooting for him to be a beast for us.

and while we nurse him back to health and tank without our draft pick!

The Knick nightmare! lets hope it never happens!

Childs2Dudley wrote:Sadly I see the same roster returning.

Iman has great upside.
Jorts is an animal rebounder and won't get pushed around inside.
And I think we will still sign a FA veteran center.

jrodmc wrote:

evil wrote:well, be prepared to potentially see a shell of the former Amare. back injuries are just not something you want to deal with if your [job involves running and jumping for 40 minutes, over 82 nights, during the span of 6 months.

between his back and his knees, Amare, even with his tremendous heart, will be so badly slowed down if the injuries persist that he could potentially set the franchise back for many years.

don't forget we traded many first round picks in pursuit of cap space and Melo. by doing so, we really put pressure on this team to play at a very very high level for the next 4 seasons. imagine using the Amnesty on Balkman, witnessing a slowed down Amare limp through the remaining 4 years of his deal, and surrendering high first round picks on a yearly basis. it'd be another down decade at least.

Jayyyyysus! One season and the death watch has begun already. The man singlehandedly made our team relevant again. Let's at least give him another year before we're making plans and configuring contracts/draft picks in prep for kicking the dude under the bus.
You people are a fickle bunch of "fans".

Oh well, at least we're not talking directly about CP3. Oops, sorry.

NYBocker wrote:I don't know man. Stat really got to me and I have him in my Knick heart with Ewing, Starks, Oak, LJ, H2O, Spree and the like. I don't think I can turn my back on him....but...you do make sense.

And waterboy should NEVER be listed ahead of Spree. Unless it's a list about the superpower of invisibility.