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jazz74
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11/14/2011  8:26 PM
can someone please post the espn insider article comparing the two players please? thanks.
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This week's matchup pits a pair of players who don't exactly fit the traditional definition of pure athletes but whose athleticism nonetheless shapes their style of play. Despite being two of the most natural scorers in the game, Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony use entirely different physical skill sets to put up huge numbers. Their bodies are completely different, and as a result so are the ways they are defended.

Based on my rating of 1-10 (10 being the best) let's see which one of these sweet-shooting forwards is the best athlete.

Leaping ability

Neither Durant nor Anthony is perceived as a tremendous leaper, but each player's hops are an integral part of his game. Durant actually needs to jump very high. With a standing reach of 9-foot-6, his fingertips are just inches from the rim without ever having to leave the ground, allowing him to power home dunks with minimal effort. For Durant, it's not as much about elevation as the ability to glide over a long distance. Combined with mile-long arms and great ball control, he can use that leaping ability to swoop around a defender in the air.

Durant's most useful trait is his ability to explode quickly off the ground. His body is so gangly it's often tough to tell when he's primed for a leap. Flying in from the wing on the break and driving down the right side of the lane to finish for a one-handed jam is often when he uses his rise to the fullest. See his Western Conference finals Game 2 finish over Brendan Haywood as evidence.

Despite an excellent vertical that measures at about 33 inches, the 6-8 Anthony is highly susceptible to getting his shot blocked. When he plants with two feet, his mechanics can be a little slow and telegraphed. He also is not the quickest leaper. He led all small forwards in getting his shot rejected last season. But Melo is at his most effective with a running start from outside the lane -- as opposed to a traditional drop step -- and can power down highlight-worthy dunks in traffic after baiting a defender to think he's going to lay it up.

Durant 8.5, Anthony 8
Strength

While he doesn't have a physical build that makes GMs salivate -- he's closer to Paul Pierce than LeBron James -- Anthony is regarded as among the strongest small forwards in the game, perhaps second to James. His brawn is fueled by powerful legs, which make powering to the rim after a pump fake a cinch. He effectively uses his rump to clear space when he's on the block. Anthony's upper-body strength is just as effective, absorbing contact to get off close-range shots and get to the line. Anthony was seventh overall with 7.9 free throw attempts last season. He can box out most power forwards on a consistent basis by getting low and using his upper- and lower-body strength in concert.

Bulking up and adding strength is something that Durant has been trying to do since high school with little success. His lack of strength is his biggest physical deficiency. For the most part, it hasn't hurt the NBA scoring leader, but he can be bullied by defenders such as Metta World Peace, whose goal is to push Durant off the ball as far from the basket as possible.

His weakness has compromised his ability to be a world-class defender. Durant does a great job moving his feet and is beginning to grasp the fundamentals and rotation assignments of help defense, but he has a difficult time bodying up small forwards in the post and on penetration. He lacks lower-body strength to hold position under the boards, which decreases his effectiveness as a rebounder despite being 6-11 with long arms.

Durant has consistently hit the weights this summer and though there is no discernible difference in his appearance, he should be a bit stronger this season. But he's still no match for Melo.

Durant 7, Anthony 9.5

Quickness

Anthony's lightning quick first step is the key to his entire game and the reason he's labeled a "slasher" at 6-8, 240 pounds. When he pushes off toward the rim, his man will more often than not require help. Anthony tends to use his quickness inside of 20 feet from the basket and generally likes to put himself in position where he only needs two dribbles to get to the rim. The elbow is his favorite spot to operate. His pet move is tossing a pump fake then using his snappy burst to skirt down the baseline. Anthony's quickness does what it's supposed to: create open shots. His ability to push off either foot laterally lets him create space after pounding two hard dribbles to set up his pull-up.
Carmelo Anthony
Despite his size and speed, Carmelo Anthony still has his shot blocked often.

But it's not just Anthony's feet that are quick -- it's his every movement. His pump fake, jab step and spin move are crisp. But on the block his feet move with purpose and precision allowing him to pull off a near indefensible spin move on a post defender.

Durant has worked tirelessly to improve his quickness. There is no quicker 6-11 player in the game than Durant. The difference between the two is that Durant more often applies his quickness to beat his man from much further out -- often times 30 feet from the basket. This leads to a critical breakdown in the defense. In theory, this makes his quickness a bigger weapon than Melo's since it impacts the whole floor. Though Anthony is quicker is smaller spaces, Durant gets the nod.

Durant 9.5, Anthony 9

Speed

Durant's stride is so long he can make it from one foul line to the other in about six steps when moving at full speed. Good thing, Durant's speed is a must if he wants to keep up with Russell Westbrook, who often darts up the floor after grabbing his own rebound. Because of his excellent ballhandling ability, he can utilize that speed by igniting the break himself and beating the defense down the floor to create mismatch fastbreak opportunities and easy shots. But it's equally helpful when sprinting to an open spot for 3-pointers on the break.

What's also unique is how efficiently Durant can come down from speed. At the end of a dead sprint he slows down his momentum by taking controlled baby steps while keeping his body in a position to receive the ball. This ensures that he's able to spot up, catch and shoot in a moment's notice. All of it set up by his speedy stride down the floor.

Anthony has great straightaway speed but rarely does he break into anything more than a casual trot when running the break or getting back on defense, so it's difficult not to give this category to Durant. If he has the tools but doesn't use them to his advantage, it lessens his overall impact on the game.

Durant 9, Anthony 7.5

Agility

For such a gangly frame Durant has remarkable motor skills and coordination. Nowhere is this more evident than when he begins his dribble moves far from the basket. Durant has long mimicked the way smaller guards break down defenders on the perimeter -- herky-jerky shoulder fakes, quick crossovers, step-backs -- and is able to add those moves to his game, thanks to his coordination and dexterity, which he routinely hones in practice.

Durant has developed a version of the Eurostep, in which he can nearly sidestep across the entire lane while moving toward the rim to avoid shot-blockers after picking up his dribble. Due to his lack of strength, Durant can easily be knocked around by stronger defenders as he enters the lane, but his uncommon balance allows him to quickly readjust and get off floaters or finger rolls at the rim.

Anthony is just as impressive when changing direction and moving around the basket. He can quickly move side to side with a lateral dribble and finish with an eloquent, double pump reverse along the baseline. He doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the air, twisting and turning (neither does Durant), but has a variety of elusive moves around the hoop that require premium agility. It's a pretty sight when Anthony throws a back-to-the-basket shoulder fake then pivots in the opposite direction, pump fakes and steps past the defender without using his dribble.

Durant 9.5, Anthony 9

Final Score: Durant 43.5, Anthony 43

This matchup is a one of conflicting styles and almost awkward in comparison because Durant and Anthony's skill sets are so incongruous. But that's what makes it interesting. And very close.

Durant gets the win because what he does, he does really well. And unlike Anthony you can see the tangible effect that Durant's athletic ability has on the entire floor each play he has the ball. While a terrific athlete, Anthony's best qualities are often used in isolation situations that benefit only him.

Durant uses his quickness to break down the floor, causing defenses to be in a constant mode of recovery. His speed -- and the intention behind it -- on the break forces the defense to sprint back. Further, Durant's high basketball IQ gives him a terrific understanding of how to exploit his athletic gifts. Even though he rated higher, that reason alone makes Durant a better, more useful athlete.

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11/15/2011  8:51 AM
I would take Durant in a heartbeat over Melo....a heartbeat.
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11/15/2011  9:56 AM
jusnice wrote:I would take Durant in a heartbeat over Melo....a heartbeat.

I don't think any GM other than maybe ours would take Melo over Durant. Durant's a more complete player, gets to the free throw line an insane number of times, and hasn't had all the surgeries/injuries that Carmelo's had this off-season. He also isn't known for slacking on defense like Carmelo is.
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11/18/2011  7:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/18/2011  7:57 PM
This guy made a post that found very good:
Resolved Question: Why does it seem to be a consensus that Durant is better then Melo...?

When Melo is by far the better all-around scorer. Melo can beat you from outside, with his mid-range game, driving it in, and with a post-up game. Durant does not have a post up game whatsoever on offense and doesn't take the ball inside w ease like Melo does. Not to mention Melo has off-nights much less than what KD has.

Melo is scrutinized by people for not playing d or passing well. And yet when he's wanted to has won games on defense just as well as offense. While Durant is a way worse defender that gets burned defensively often. Durant also passes less and averages less assists than Melo and isn't scrutinized much for it.

Also Melo is a really skilled rebounder and better on the boards than KD. KD does get his fair share of rebounds but for KD's height he really isn't a good rebounder and not better than Melo on the glass. Just this season Melo recorded a 20/20 game and has had a couple triple-doubles in his career. Durant has yet to have done so.

In Melo's second season he put up 5 game winners in the last 3 seconds of the game and has had the most in the NBA since 2005. Durant has struggled down the wire of games. In the playoffs both of them were outdueled by Dirk but Melo had a better series against Dallas than KD did. Also Melo made the game winner in gm 3 that series and Denver won the series over Dallas. Dallas beat OKC in the series and KD struggled down stretch.

Most importantly in head 2 heads Melo already owns a game winner against KD and OKC. And before Melo left Denver KD was winless in the Pepsi Center. For his career Melo is 15-1 against KD. Melo has had the better games too like a 38 and 35 point game. Even this season with OKC being the better team they lost to Melo and DEN w Melo putting up 35 and KD 21. After Melo was traded OKC won 6 of the last 7 meetings against DEN including a playoff series. Melo is also currently 2nd all-time in PPG against the Seattle/OKC franchise. Most of the damage he did in the last 15 meetings which KD was there for all of them. Michael Jordan is #1 w 30.4 PPG, # 2. Melo 27.9 PPG, #3. Iverson 27.8 PPG


I think Melo and KD are nearly equal overall but Melo has had more head to head great performances and wins against KD, Lebron and Kobe. KD has the upside factor but Melo is a proven beast against best the NBA has to offer.
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11/18/2011  8:07 PM
They are kind of close now but KD will only get better while Melo is already past the pick.
So no question there. Who is thinking about future will take KD in a heartbeat and will most likely get better result immidiately.
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11/19/2011  9:15 AM
Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.
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11/19/2011  9:23 AM
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

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11/19/2011  10:48 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

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11/19/2011  11:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2011  11:25 AM
If both these guys were the same age, i would take melo in blink of a eye. His IQ is much higher then kd, which to me, is the best attribute a player can have..I use to hate melo probably because he stayed lighting up the knicks.

One game in particular was about 2 season ago. Melo had just return from a 13 game absence due to injury, he made his return at MSG and lit us up for 38 pts 12 rbs and took an ungodly amount of FT's, not to mention something like 20 of the pts came in the 4th qtr when the game was in the balance..

KD is a awsome playey/scorer, more so cause of his height..but the league requires strength, and sense, and melo has had that from DAY 1.

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11/19/2011  11:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/19/2011  11:34 AM
I also want to add, one of the biggest reasons melo gets a lot of rbs..he stays with his shot on almost every attemp, espcially in the paint, where he gets a good amount of put backs.

I also think that in 2 yrs, GALLO is going to be a bonifde allstar, and you will be able to slap his name amongst the best SF to play the game

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11/19/2011  1:31 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

Melo is the better rebounder based on what? Melo scores more points in the paint but it doesn't matter where you score from - the issue is how much and how efficiently you score (and KD gets the edge on both issues).

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11/19/2011  5:40 PM
Man I love KD but no one has been more of an assassin in crunchtime than Melo since 2005! They are almost identical and you really can give KD that much cred for blocked shots when it's such a minor strength. It's not like people in fear of his shotblocking. In the major categories that matter most these 2 are neck and neck.

I'm just glad we have a player that's on that level! Look at the success Melo has had head to head with the other superstars and he's been able to have a very good record. Right now I still give Melo the edge but KD should surpass him soon. What I like about both guys is that they both rely on skill more than athletic ability.
Guys like that maintain a high level of play much longer.

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11/19/2011  6:52 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

Melo is the better rebounder based on what? Melo scores more points in the paint but it doesn't matter where you score from - the issue is how much and how efficiently you score (and KD gets the edge on both issues).

Maybe you're not watching Melo play if you don't see that he's one of the best rebounders at the position in the game. I didn't look but I'd bet he outrebounded KD last season.

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11/19/2011  7:05 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

Melo is the better rebounder based on what? Melo scores more points in the paint but it doesn't matter where you score from - the issue is how much and how efficiently you score (and KD gets the edge on both issues).

Maybe you're not watching Melo play if you don't see that he's one of the best rebounders at the position in the game. I didn't look but I'd bet he outrebounded KD last season.


Well you should have looked because their rebounding numbers for last year and their careers are very similar.
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11/19/2011  10:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

Melo is the better rebounder based on what? Melo scores more points in the paint but it doesn't matter where you score from - the issue is how much and how efficiently you score (and KD gets the edge on both issues).

Maybe you're not watching Melo play if you don't see that he's one of the best rebounders at the position in the game. I didn't look but I'd bet he outrebounded KD last season.


Well you should have looked because their rebounding numbers for last year and their careers are very similar.

Ok I looked. Melo outrebounded KD, which I correctly assumed and you were flat out wrong about. So to answer your previous question, Melo being a better rebounder is based on reality. And the rest of their stats are extremely close. Some in favor of KD and some in favor of Melo. Melo is known as a killer which is why id take him now. But again, I'd take KD long term for his youth.

Easy on the condescension... Or at least get your facts straight.

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11/20/2011  12:26 AM
I'd take Durant all day long because he's a way more efficient scorer.
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11/20/2011  12:39 AM
There's always been a general disrespect for Melo's game. It's somewhat understandable when you watch him play cuz he's a scorer and not a playmaker but if you look at his game in comparison with most players his one strength is something really valuable. He plays better when the game is on the line! Think about how great Lebron is but how so far he's proven to not be able to close out big games in the sme way. Melo is known for being a closer of the highest order. KD is a great young player and he's had some impressive performances but I think he's still got a lot to prove.
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11/20/2011  5:46 AM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

Melo is the better rebounder based on what? Melo scores more points in the paint but it doesn't matter where you score from - the issue is how much and how efficiently you score (and KD gets the edge on both issues).

Maybe you're not watching Melo play if you don't see that he's one of the best rebounders at the position in the game. I didn't look but I'd bet he outrebounded KD last season.


Well you should have looked because their rebounding numbers for last year and their careers are very similar.

Ok I looked. Melo outrebounded KD, which I correctly assumed and you were flat out wrong about. So to answer your previous question, Melo being a better rebounder is based on reality. And the rest of their stats are extremely close. Some in favor of KD and some in favor of Melo. Melo is known as a killer which is why id take him now. But again, I'd take KD long term for his youth.

Easy on the condescension... Or at least get your facts straight.

what about Amar'e being at 0.745% (or there abouts) and Melo snagging 17 boards versus Boston, and averaging 10.3 in the playoffs? Seems to me if the Knicks need Melo to beast in the post he can beast in the post. I don't think there's ANY player I'd rather have than Durant on the wing, but Melo certainly has his own set of strengths.

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11/20/2011  8:18 AM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Melo is better right now. His rebounding is what separates them. But KD is young and only getting better.

What?! I question whether you've seen Durant play or have even looked up his statistics.

A few things legitimately do distinguish them but they all favor Durant:
-Shot-blocking
-Consistency of effort on defense
-Ability to get to free throw line (at least in the past two seasons)
-3 point shooting
-Youth

Yes. If you read correctly I said "right now" Melo gets teh edge. I do watch KD consistently. Long term he's probably the guy any franchise would build around. But Melo is stronger in the paint and a better rebounder. And Melo is one of the best at getting to the line. Everywhere else they are very close. When Melo came over he was lights out from 3 as well. As for consistency of effort on D, you're right about KD. But Melo is as good on D ans almost anyone when the effort is there. That doesn't absolve him from not having 100% effort at all times, but he has shown the ability to be a lockdown defender.

Melo is the better rebounder based on what? Melo scores more points in the paint but it doesn't matter where you score from - the issue is how much and how efficiently you score (and KD gets the edge on both issues).

Maybe you're not watching Melo play if you don't see that he's one of the best rebounders at the position in the game. I didn't look but I'd bet he outrebounded KD last season.


Well you should have looked because their rebounding numbers for last year and their careers are very similar.

Ok I looked. Melo outrebounded KD, which I correctly assumed and you were flat out wrong about. So to answer your previous question, Melo being a better rebounder is based on reality. And the rest of their stats are extremely close. Some in favor of KD and some in favor of Melo. Melo is known as a killer which is why id take him now. But again, I'd take KD long term for his youth.

Easy on the condescension... Or at least get your facts straight.

No, you just misread what I posted. If you think I'm wrong, provide a quote of what I said and then the contradictory information below the quote. Otherwise, read more carefully.

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