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Bippity10
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11/14/2011  3:49 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57323527/congress-exempt-from-insider-trading-laws/

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11/14/2011  4:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2011  5:03 PM
I saw this...Most insane thing ever..It's everyone across all party lines as well...NY Times had something similar about Darrell Izza a few months ago...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/us/politics/15issa.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimespolitics

This is the real world...Who spends millions of their own money to get in a position to make 175k per year?

How about as the Administration in 2008 briefs congressmen on the pending economic crisis in the coming days, their cell phones and PDA's were confiscated at the door...

Dick Cheney kept his interest in Halliburton while he as Vice President gave no bid contracts Halliburton during the Iraqi war..

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11/14/2011  4:47 PM
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11/14/2011  5:05 PM
Yeah, I put a link to this in the occupy wall street thread this morning - crazy isn't it?

They will put a citizen in prison for doing this, yet they have made themselves exempt. The system is totally corrupt and they will stop at nothing to protect their interests and their pockets. I bet if you look deep enough, there have been some orchestrated fire drills to scare the market so some of these people could make money on the short side.

They are playing the volatility, they are getting early access to IPO's, they are trading with knowledge on legislation that has not been introduced yet, there are hired intelligence gatherers walking the halls of congress and reporting legislation items and other news to hedge funds so they can trade before the market knows it - it is really shocking. It looks like the entire system is an insiders game (not a surprise but the fact that congress is involved is pretty damaging).

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11/14/2011  5:14 PM

While the average citizen has taken a bath in their personal wealth since 2008, Congress net worth is up close to 25% in the last three years...I don't know many traders who have that track record and I work in the industry...I'll say this, if you can make 10% on your principle annually, Wall Street will pay you millions to manage their portfolios..
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11/14/2011  5:19 PM
What's to stop someone from creating legislation that may negatively impact an industry/company then buying stock and then creating legislation that positively affects and industry/company? But they make the laws so why would they prevent themselves from making millions.

Wall street and the Government. It's the same group of people

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11/14/2011  5:23 PM
OasisBU wrote:Yeah, I put a link to this in the occupy wall street thread this morning - crazy isn't it?

They will put a citizen in prison for doing this, yet they have made themselves exempt. The system is totally corrupt and they will stop at nothing to protect their interests and their pockets. I bet if you look deep enough, there have been some orchestrated fire drills to scare the market so some of these people could make money on the short side.

They are playing the volatility, they are getting early access to IPO's, they are trading with knowledge on legislation that has not been introduced yet, there are hired intelligence gatherers walking the halls of congress and reporting legislation items and other news to hedge funds so they can trade before the market knows it - it is really shocking. It looks like the entire system is an insiders game (not a surprise but the fact that congress is involved is pretty damaging).

That's the only problem I have with the Occupy wall street crowd. They seem to be targeting wall street and forgetting about government street (I could not think of anything clever). They are all in bed together. Democrats and Republicans. It's all the same. How many characters go from lobbyist to cabinet member and back to lobbyist. It's one big sham.

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11/14/2011  6:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2011  6:18 PM
Also a problem I have with the Wall Street Occupy crowd...They are just scraping the surface of what's actually happening...They need to look at Washington...I read somewhere and I forgot where, the Government of Mexico spent 200k dollars one year lobbying Congress, yes Mexico...Think about that...How about the recent law passed by the Supreme Court to allow anonymous groups to contribute to political campaigns without declaration...It's a free for all in Washington guys...Wall Streeters aren't the players...
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11/14/2011  7:10 PM
Hahaha. This this the big news that has everyone outraged? Time to wake up and smell the failing democracy, along with the failing free market, along with the failing civilization as we know it. There are exceptions, of course, people that see the failures and want to have no part of the modern society.
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11/14/2011  7:25 PM
ramtour420 wrote:Hahaha. This this the big news that has everyone outraged? Time to wake up and smell the failing democracy, along with the failing free market, along with the failing civilization as we know it. There are exceptions, of course, people that see the failures and want to have no part of the modern society.

This is not the big news everyone is outraged about. This is just another example

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11/14/2011  7:26 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Hahaha. This this the big news that has everyone outraged? Time to wake up and smell the failing democracy, along with the failing free market, along with the failing civilization as we know it. There are exceptions, of course, people that see the failures and want to have no part of the modern society.

This is not the big news everyone is outraged about. This is just another example

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11/14/2011  7:28 PM
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OasisBU wrote:Yeah, I put a link to this in the occupy wall street thread this morning - crazy isn't it?

They will put a citizen in prison for doing this, yet they have made themselves exempt. The system is totally corrupt and they will stop at nothing to protect their interests and their pockets. I bet if you look deep enough, there have been some orchestrated fire drills to scare the market so some of these people could make money on the short side.

They are playing the volatility, they are getting early access to IPO's, they are trading with knowledge on legislation that has not been introduced yet, there are hired intelligence gatherers walking the halls of congress and reporting legislation items and other news to hedge funds so they can trade before the market knows it - it is really shocking. It looks like the entire system is an insiders game (not a surprise but the fact that congress is involved is pretty damaging).

That's the only problem I have with the Occupy wall street crowd. They seem to be targeting wall street and forgetting about government street (I could not think of anything clever). They are all in bed together. Democrats and Republicans. It's all the same. How many characters go from lobbyist to cabinet member and back to lobbyist. It's one big sham.

Thinking out loud here...

I don't think it's too far fetched to say that Elizabeth Warren will easily get elected to Senate in 2012 in MA. Wouldn't be surprised if she is the Democrat front-runner for 2016 presidential ticket. Not that she is the last hope by any means, but she would be a force to help clean up this whole mess of ours.

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11/14/2011  7:29 PM
We are so caught up in trying to figure out if our team is winning(dems or rep, conservatives or liberals) that we stop paying attention to who we are actually electing. Over the years we've rapidly lowered the quality of person we elect and we are paying the price.
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11/14/2011  7:29 PM
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Bippity10 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Hahaha. This this the big news that has everyone outraged? Time to wake up and smell the failing democracy, along with the failing free market, along with the failing civilization as we know it. There are exceptions, of course, people that see the failures and want to have no part of the modern society.

This is not the big news everyone is outraged about. This is just another example

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martin wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
OasisBU wrote:Yeah, I put a link to this in the occupy wall street thread this morning - crazy isn't it?

They will put a citizen in prison for doing this, yet they have made themselves exempt. The system is totally corrupt and they will stop at nothing to protect their interests and their pockets. I bet if you look deep enough, there have been some orchestrated fire drills to scare the market so some of these people could make money on the short side.

They are playing the volatility, they are getting early access to IPO's, they are trading with knowledge on legislation that has not been introduced yet, there are hired intelligence gatherers walking the halls of congress and reporting legislation items and other news to hedge funds so they can trade before the market knows it - it is really shocking. It looks like the entire system is an insiders game (not a surprise but the fact that congress is involved is pretty damaging).

That's the only problem I have with the Occupy wall street crowd. They seem to be targeting wall street and forgetting about government street (I could not think of anything clever). They are all in bed together. Democrats and Republicans. It's all the same. How many characters go from lobbyist to cabinet member and back to lobbyist. It's one big sham.

Thinking out loud here...

I don't think it's too far fetched to say that Elizabeth Warren will easily get elected to Senate in 2012 in MA. Wouldn't be surprised if she is the Democrat front-runner for 2016 presidential ticket. Not that she is the last hope by any means, but she would be a force to help clean up this whole mess of ours.

I think Bip has a good chance of getting the Republican nomination. Surely he will fix this mess...

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11/14/2011  9:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2011  9:12 PM
ramtour420 wrote:Hahaha. This this the big news that has everyone outraged? Time to wake up and smell the failing democracy, along with the failing free market, along with the failing civilization as we know it. There are exceptions, of course, people that see the failures and want to have no part of the modern society.

This doesn't mark the failure of democracy. It's just one step in the building process. Outraged citizens can and will organize and reassert their democratic ideals. It will take time, but in a system like ours, apathy leads to this outcome. The fix may be in, but it doesn't mean we can't "fix" our broken system. The internet has changed everything and gives us all a way to organize that would have been very difficult previously.

But yes, it's really disgusting. If you live in Mass., vote for Elizabeth Warren. That would be a step in the right direction. She has been a citizens advocate for a LONG time. She can and will shake things up in Washington. It's time to put "service" back into public service.

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11/14/2011  11:12 PM
we are living in a RAT RACE folks...I'm not really into politics, but I did catch a little of 60 minutes yesterday..

This world is run by polititions, banks, labor unions, mafia, gangsters. Everybody is trying to get as much as they can no matter how much they already have..When you break down the cause of the reccession, down to the very last compound..greed..The more you get the more you want..

This NBA thing is turning into a laughing matter..billionaires telling miliionaire, there making to much money and having to much freedom..A Union thats 80% minorities.. THATS WHY THE RACE CARD GETS PULLED every so often..

I don't want to sound cynical and all, but ppl are savages in there own right just like animals, just on another level..

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11/14/2011  11:13 PM

Micheal Bloomberg, mayor of NYC, net worth was $4 billion before he entered office...Now worth $20 billion...Fair disclosure, his Bloomberg terminals did explode on trading floors across the world in the last 5 years...
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11/14/2011  11:20 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/14/tom-coburn-30-billion-millionaires-tax-breaks_n_1092692.html

Tom Coburn(R-Okla.): $30 Billion In Millionaires Aid Is 'Sheer Washington Stupidity'

Millionaires are receiving billions in taxpayer-funded support every year that helps them pay for everything from child care to bad debts to boats and vacation homes, according to a report released Monday by Sen. Tom Coburn.

People who individually earned more than a million dollars in 2009 even managed to collect a total of nearly $21 million in unemployment insurance.

"From tax write-offs for gambling losses, vacation homes, and luxury yachts to subsidies for their ranches and estates, the government is subsidizing the lifestyles of the rich and famous," wrote Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican, in an accompanying letter. "Multimillionaires are even receiving government checks for not working. This welfare for the well-off -- costing billions of dollars a year -- is being paid for with the taxes of the less fortunate."

Calling the giveaways "sheer Washington stupidity," Coburn detailed in the study more than $30 billion a year that comes out of the U.S. Treasury to aid people who make more than a million a year.

For Coburn, who describes his survey as the first-ever compilation of federal aid for the richest, such a startling figure makes no sense when most of the country is struggling to get by. He also thinks it reveals some sensible targets for Congress' stymied debt-trimming super committee.

"Even in these difficult times, the United States remains a land of opportunity and not everyone is in need of government handouts," wrote Coburn in the accompanying letter.

"The income of the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans has risen dramatically over the last decade. Yet, the federal government lavishes these millionaires with billions of dollars in giveaways and tax breaks," he wrote, referring to the growing income gap recently documented in stark fashion by the Congressional Budget Office.

"The government's social safety net, which has long existed to catch those who are down and help them get back up, is now being used as a hammock by some millionaires, some who are paying less taxes than average middle class families," Coburn contended.

And what the report "reveals is sheer Washington stupidity with government policies pampering the wealthy costing taxpayers billions of dollars every year," Coburn argued.

Coburn totaled up all the federal money for millionaires over several years that his office could find. Among the handouts for the well-heeled are:

$18.15 million in child care tax credits
$74 million in unemployment checks
$89 million for preservation of ranches and estates
$316 million in farm subsidies
$608 million in business entertainment deductions
$9 billion in retirement checks
$21 billion in gambling losses
$28 billion in mortgage breaks for mansions, vacation homes and yachts

Some of the payments, such as for Social Security and Medicare, stem from payroll taxes and are not means-tested when they are paid out. Advocates of such payments believe the government made a promise to individuals that it must keep, regardless of their wealth.

Some other payments, such as the millions received by the wealthy to preserve land or to use alternative energy sources, arise from programs that proponents consider beneficial overall, even if the rich get the money.

But Coburn doesn't see much justification for these payments, considering how well the wealthy have done over the last 30 years compared to everyone else. "Fleecing the taxpayer while contributing nothing is not the American way," he wrote.

He also sees policies that help the rich avoid taxes as government-sanctioned redistribution of wealth.

"Americans are generous and do not want to see their fellow citizens go without basic necessities. Likewise, we expect everyone to contribute and to demonstrate personal responsibility," Coburn wrote.

"Government policies intended to mainstream wealth redistribution are undermining these principles. The tragic irony is the wealth in these cases is trickling up rather than down the economic ladder," he continued. "The cost of this largess will thus be shared by those struggling today and the next generation who will inherit $15 trillion of debt that threatens the future of the American Dream."

Coburn does not argue that taxes should be raised on the wealthy, however. Simply ending giveaways for people who don't need them would help, and he recommends limiting or cutting payments to millionaires in the safety net programs; ending farm and conservation payments to the rich; means-testing tax breaks and other payouts; and reforming provisions of the tax code that help pay for vacation properties and mansions.

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11/14/2011  11:22 PM
Bippity10 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Hahaha. This this the big news that has everyone outraged? Time to wake up and smell the failing democracy, along with the failing free market, along with the failing civilization as we know it. There are exceptions, of course, people that see the failures and want to have no part of the modern society.

This is not the big news everyone is outraged about. This is just another example

It'll all be better once you get elected president.

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I wasn't born in this country, so that would make it impossible even if I had the slightest desire to run for office. Seriously tho, I am sick of the rat race and I will be no longer a part of the problem, soon. I will be a part of the solution.

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