Nalod wrote:
You have a economic pull back since 2008.

YOu have teams turning it around like Minny. They are improved.

Indy is a good hoops town. Not been bad enough to get lotto talent but a draw since Reggie. Fixable.

Sac is hurting with owner taking on the chin in Vegas and the whole Arco arena problem. Fixable either by sale or by relocation.

And yeah, Owners need to sell or lower their asking price some.

These teams are fixable.

I agree with all 3, especially with Indy..

eViL wrote:indy got ruined by the Artest fiasco.

I think they got ruined by Bird. He has gotten a pass for his piss poor work there.

I don't see great fault with the players this go around except the conspiracy that Lebron, Bosh, Wade and Melo have bought upon the league and what CP3 maybe intends.

Union, if they should not already has to also figure a way for the owners to be protected. They can nurture and invest in a young player and when he reaches a certain level that player can just leave without the team getting any compensation. While we all enjoy the thought of a knicks dynasty being a draw for players to gravitate to NY over, the reality is the players have to come up with some way that does not hold them to the plantation, but does not destroy the team either.

Then you will have an agreement. Successful Union's work in partnership.

Its not time to make concessions, its time to make solutions.

eViL wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

eViL wrote:indy got ruined by the Artest fiasco.

I think they got ruined by Bird. He has gotten a pass for his piss poor work there.

yeah, he didn't help fix things. i just think the artest thing sent them spiraling downward. you know, they had a core of a prime j.oneal, artest and steven jackson. they had to destroy the whole thing and everyone knew it. i mean, i hate the pacers so i don't really care. haha...

from a purely economic perspective, perhaps Stern should have had a bit more leeway with this situation that the NBA players associate would agree with.

Those guys wrecked a team by going into stands, and in turn diminished NBA product as a whole. Let's say attendance is down because of it, both in Indiana and in NBA in general. As a fan I would be behind the stance that Stern should have 1) suspended players 2) given team leeway to cut players at end of season with provision that team would not have to pay remaining salary. 3) Give Stern leeway to ban players from signing with new team for x amount of years. 4) Give Stern leeway to give team extra draft picks at end of round 1 if they do cut player.

IMHO it's a win-win for players and owners.

martin wrote:

eViL wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

eViL wrote:indy got ruined by the Artest fiasco.

I think they got ruined by Bird. He has gotten a pass for his piss poor work there.

yeah, he didn't help fix things. i just think the artest thing sent them spiraling downward. you know, they had a core of a prime j.oneal, artest and steven jackson. they had to destroy the whole thing and everyone knew it. i mean, i hate the pacers so i don't really care. haha...

from a purely economic perspective, perhaps Stern should have had a bit more leeway with this situation that the NBA players associate would agree with.

Those guys wrecked a team by going into stands, and in turn diminished NBA product as a whole. Let's say attendance is down because of it, both in Indiana and in NBA in general. As a fan I would be behind the stance that Stern should have 1) suspended players 2) given team leeway to cut players at end of season with provision that team would not have to pay remaining salary. 3) Give Stern leeway to ban players from signing with new team for x amount of years. 4) Give Stern leeway to give team extra draft picks at end of round 1 if they do cut player.

IMHO it's a win-win for players and owners.

I think it was jermain o'neil who tripped before landing a puch on that dude in the Piston jersey who I think might have been killed if he landed it. Or if the guy ducks and jermain lands on a child or unprepared person it could be life threatening.

It could have been so much worse!

Not saying some idiot fan did not deserve a whooping, put you can't have that kind of ugly cross the line.

Good example would be Marbles and his contract. It would have ruined the Suns. Naturally the suns were stupid but they did not think they were getting damaged goods in him.

The Era of Jalen Rose, Marbles, Eddy, Rashard, Dunlevy, Iversons last deal, Arenas, Juwan Howard amd others demonstrate bad contracts in hindsight but the waste of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Question is how do you pay the good ones and rid of the mistakes without killing a franchise? Not by pointing fingers in hindsight.

Union can't come with an idea that works either!

Union needs to share some blame. They need to accept partial guarantee contracts.