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CrushAlot
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10/25/2011  3:21 PM

The problem with revenue sharing
October, 25, 2011 Oct 2511:15AM ETEmail Print Comments40 By Kevin Arnovitz
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Archive Let’s say you’re the sports world’s next great owner-innovator. You identify a franchise in a comparatively healthy market you’re certain is a sleeping giant. This turnaround won’t be easy. It will require a lot of innovation, sweat, persistence, political gamesmanship, investment and a couple hundred million dollars in debt financing, which you’ll have to raise.

This reclamation project has a lot of moving parts, but it’s doable -- and you are the person put on this earth to make it happen.

When the process is over, all your hard work has paid off. The team plays in a new, privately financed jewel box in the heart of downtown. The team and fan experience is infinitely more fun and compelling. Money, managed by the smartest and best-compensated people hand-chosen by you, is spent on a premium roster built to play into late spring every season.

Because the product is so much better thanks to your management and commitment, new revenue streams emerge and the existing ones grow more profitable. Demand for tickets skyrockets, which means there’s now a lot more money at the gate. Sponsors are knocking at the door of your sales team because they want to get in on all the fun. Local broadcasters have taken notice and want to ink a lucrative deal with the team.

While you’ve been toiling away on your multi-year makeover, a rival owner in your division has done nothing to better his franchise over the past decade. It’s not the most profitable of markets, but he’s done very little to maximize his few assets. Truth be told, he’s only in this market because the city lured him with a cheap arena deal on a publicly-funded facility. Thinking only of the short-term benefits rather than the long-term prospects of the market, the owner began to hemorrhage money after a few years, and now he’s pleading poverty. How can he possibly compete at such a disadvantage? Look at the money he’s losing.

You appreciate the cooperative nature of leagues -- but isn't cooperation a two-way street? Every franchise may not be on equal footing, but doesn't each ownership group have the responsibility to the other 29 to invest wisely and find smart ways to make this enterprise work? That's what a cooperative is, but your rival owner seems to answer the call only when the Board of Governor's planning committee meets and it's time to talk redistribution.

By instituting revenue sharing, we’re telling you to fork over large sums of money to this guy. It doesn’t matter that he assumed none of the risk and performed none of the hard work you did. In fact, it’s precisely because he sat on his tuchus while you poured everything into building a laughingstock into a model franchise that you must now cut him a check.

And even though he’s receiving a healthy bundle of your money, you have no right to tell him how to spend it, beyond setting a payroll floor. He’s free to mismanage that cash to his heart’s content, at least until he writes up an offer sheet for the dynamic All-Star point guard you snagged with the No. 18 pick -- using your money as bait, of course.

Since you’re essentially sentenced to underwrite the losses of this team every season, you’ve taken an interest in what you ironically call your “investment.” (In fact, your rival’s team is referred to in your franchise’s executive offices not by its official nickname, but only as “The Investments.”)

After a hard look, you’ve determined it would take a perfect confluence of luck and intelligence to break even in this market -- and that’s only if ownership was competent. Still, no one will entertain a serious discussion about the possibility of dissolving this team that everyone agrees isn’t viable unless you subsidize it. The worse it gets for this franchise and its market, the louder the call for you to transfer even more of the money you generated from the master plan you executed beautifully.

One day, another NBA franchise is on the block. It’s a real mess, but with some creativity and risk -- along the lines of what you applied -- it can one day be a juggernaut. The league calls to see if you know any parties who’d be interested in buying. You’re an innovator, so you’ve probably encountered people who you share common interests, passions and success.

You know the perfect investor, someone who’d make a super 21st Century owner.

But if the best-case scenario is all giving away a fat chunk of hard-won profits, can you really, in good conscience, recommend the deal?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32799/the-problem-with-revenue-sharing

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10/25/2011  8:43 PM
Good article. This is basically one of the big issues with the owners. It's successful owners against the unsuccessful owners. There are so many factors. Some teams are simply going thru the cycle that every franchise faces at some point when they don't have a good team or compelling star player to get fans excited. Other teams are just flat out mismanaged. I wonder if the owners know enough about the other franchises to know if a team is being mismanaged or not? It's one thing to be opposed on principal, but yet another to actually know that a team is floundering due to it's own incompetence. IMO no owner should be bailed out if they aren't running their business properly.
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10/25/2011  10:58 PM
I've been having the thought for awhile....can the successful teams break with the unsuccessful teams. Just say they will have a season and start practicing and playing. I'm sure there are 10 to 12 teams , maybe 15 who want to play basketball this year. What would the other teams do? Could they stop the teams from playing?

Or maybe if they legally have to, break with the NBA, form a new league, and start playing.

Some owners want to "break the union." Why not break the NBA?

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10/26/2011  6:37 AM
If the sucessfull teams broke away, the unsucessful teams would have no incentive to follow them. Would you take on millions in losses willingly? Even if I was a fan I wouldn't. And the Forbes article shows quite a large block of the losing money. The best you'd be looking at is a massive contraction. Which would mean over half the players lose their jobs. The new league would also lose alot of fans not in big markets across the country. Not the best thing for the sport or the players. It does ensure money keeps flowing into the pockets of J.DOlan and the like however.

Markji wrote:I've been having the thought for awhile....can the successful teams break with the unsuccessful teams. Just say they will have a season and start practicing and playing. I'm sure there are 10 to 12 teams , maybe 15 who want to play basketball this year. What would the other teams do? Could they stop the teams from playing?

Or maybe if they legally have to, break with the NBA, form a new league, and start playing.

Some owners want to "break the union." Why not break the NBA?

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10/26/2011  7:18 AM
The problem is not just mismanagement, but team location. You think Donald Sterling does a good job? No - but since he's in LA his team makes money.

Redistribution isn't ideal but it does serve a purpose over and above just equalizing poorly managed teams vs properly managed teams. It's really describing the US in general, with big cities paying more in taxes than small cities, and states that are net beneficiaries of taxes (Alaska) vs. those that distribute taxes (NY)... it all comes down to population really - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

If you want a profitable league you'll need to contract out teams in bad locations (low population) and put them in good ones (large population), simple as that.

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10/26/2011  7:24 AM
Smaller market teams need to be able to hold on to their star players. Indiana Pacers in the Reggie/Smits era seemed to do well. If not they need to trade them. Im surprised the Suns let Stat go free but he wanted a big extension and I suppose if he got hurt Suns would be stuck with him and that contract. I suppose he could have "Pulled a Melo".

Can the league survive with star players leaving teams without compensation to the departing team? If "franchise tagging" is what it takes I realize it inhibits the players freedom but that players does get paid for that inconvenience.

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10/26/2011  7:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2011  7:42 AM
This article is not completely accurate. Ever seen "A Beautiful Mind"? Remember that scene when he has his huge breakthrough, when Russell Crowe is talking about how if everyone does what's best for both himself and the group, instead of just what's best for himself, everyone wins? Well that same logic could be applied here.

Fans like winners and hope... so when the other teams get a little better, the entire pie grows, instead of just your piece of the pie. Sharing everything is probably bad, because competition is good. But the owners should be doing what's best for their team--and--the league. The problems arise when the owners pocket the share instea dof reinvesting it... so you try to protect against that

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10/26/2011  7:57 AM
Football works because all things being equal the local TV money is not as big a difference among teams because of the national contract.

Baseball and Basketball have team differential. Supreme brings up a good point. The sharing would be unnatural.

In Baseball you have had teams pocket the difference. But its their prerogative is it not? They will feel it at the gate and eventually kill their brand. But fans still go to ball parks in KC and Pittsburgh.

And Knicks lose for 10 and still sell out.

Go figure.

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10/26/2011  9:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2011  9:17 AM
The major problem with the article is that it assumes that every small market team that's losing money is mismanaged and every large market team that's making money is well managed. As a bunch of Knicks fan, we can be fairly sure that James Dolan is NOT the reason the Knicks make money.

The very nature of sports is different than other industries.

The individually owned basketball teams do not compete against each other in a business sense (like in other industries). They only compete on the court. It's in the best interests of the large markets for the small markets to be profitable also. Otherwise the league will have to contract and potentially lose fans and business as a whole for themselves.

Perhaps the NBA expanded a little too much, but I think the large markets have to think of the small markets as essential parts of a large corporation that are required for the overall company to be as successful. So they may need to be subsidized further. That's something the owners have to work out to make sure any subsidies are used effectively, otherwise it's just welfare with no strings.

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10/26/2011  2:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2011  3:29 PM
Nalod wrote:Smaller market teams need to be able to hold on to their star players. Indiana Pacers in the Reggie/Smits era seemed to do well. If not they need to trade them. Im surprised the Suns let Stat go free but he wanted a big extension and I suppose if he got hurt Suns would be stuck with him and that contract. I suppose he could have "Pulled a Melo".

Can the league survive with star players leaving teams without compensation to the departing team? If "franchise tagging" is what it takes I realize it inhibits the players freedom but that players does get paid for that inconvenience.

Yes, but stars only really leave their teams IF the team seems to be going nowhere or have no future, very rarely does a star leave a great team- has it ever happened? (that's a genuine question)- why should they waste their career just because they happened to get drafted- thats a players whole career determined by lottery balls. I always think of Mitch Richmond, wasting his years with the Kings.

Also by allowing players to move freely, it means teams can get stars by 2 ways- free agency and the draft. If you take away free agency, then the only way for a team to compete is to tank so they get a top pick, and draft a star- I think that would be unfair and a disaster for the league.

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10/26/2011  3:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2011  3:57 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Smaller market teams need to be able to hold on to their star players. Indiana Pacers in the Reggie/Smits era seemed to do well. If not they need to trade them. Im surprised the Suns let Stat go free but he wanted a big extension and I suppose if he got hurt Suns would be stuck with him and that contract. I suppose he could have "Pulled a Melo".

Can the league survive with star players leaving teams without compensation to the departing team? If "franchise tagging" is what it takes I realize it inhibits the players freedom but that players does get paid for that inconvenience.

Yes, but stars only really leave their teams IF the team seems to be going nowhere or have no future, very rarely does a star leave a great team- has it ever happened? (that's a genuine question)- why should they waste their career just because they happened to get drafted- thats a players whole career determined by lottery balls. I always think of Mitch Richmond, wasting his years with the Kings.

Also by allowing players to move freely, it means teams can get stars by 2 ways- free agency and the draft. If you take away free agency, then the only way for a team to compete is to tank so they get a top pick, and draft a star- I think that would be unfair and a disaster for the league.

What you are saying is mostly true, but how often do star players leave major markets even when the team is bad?

The bottom line is almost every player wants to play in a major market where the financial opportunities and media exposure is greatest and/or a city where there are other quality of life benefits (like Miami). So unless the small market team is a major contender (IMO the Cavs still were, they won more games than Miami did last year) the star player will look to leave. That makes it almost impossible for a small market to build a winning team. Either they will have to overspend to the point they are losing a ton of money or they have to let the star player walk and try to get young players to rebuild in an endless loop.

You'll see. The same thing is going to happen to the OKC Thunder when all their young players start getting max contracts. They are going to have to make a choice, lose a ton of money or let some of the players walk. If they let some of the players walk, then Durant is going to want out. The ownership can't win.

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10/26/2011  4:10 PM

Lebron left, Cavs were doing just fine. Sometimes a team caps itself out BECAUSE a player threatens to leave. Ewing pulled that crap on us. Shaq went to finals with Magic. Bosh is no star.

Its not that even a player bolts but threatens to.

OKC can make trades for picks and younger players. Teams like the Knicks always willing to take on a player like Westbrook for some players/picks.

Use some to incubate some Eurotalent and it could add up. Spurs built of the backs of good drafting and smart signings. Naturally a bit of luck with Duncan off the Robinson era but Obi Won Ginobli, Parker and Scola were very good picks. Takes patience!

Players making 18mil a year on a crap team is kind of tough to feel sorry for. It's a business and players can't accept the money and the conditions. Im all for them getting paid. I think the NFL has a limit to how long a player can be tagged.

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10/26/2011  6:33 PM
Nalod wrote:Players making 18mil a year on a crap team is kind of tough to feel sorry for. It's a business and players can't accept the money and the conditions. Im all for them getting paid. I think the NFL has a limit to how long a player can be tagged.

See there you go again! Who is feeling sorry for an overpaid player? It's not the player tho that is at fault. This is what you seem reticent to accept. OWNERS/GM's paid that player too much. The system that Stern and the owners came up with caused the mediocre NBA players to get overpaid. They wanted to squash the top salaries, but in doing that they had to raise the middle class salary. This was a mistake. For one thing any team can afford to pay a STAR, but if you have a bunch of mid level players making too much you can't afford to pay that, cuz it doesn't put butts in seats. That was the Owners mistake and not the players, who would be happy to live under the old NBA rules where only the top players made big dollars. Those stars were on teams that could afford to pay and thus the burden wasn't spread to the losing teams as it is now.

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nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:Players making 18mil a year on a crap team is kind of tough to feel sorry for. It's a business and players can't accept the money and the conditions. Im all for them getting paid. I think the NFL has a limit to how long a player can be tagged.

See there you go again! Who is feeling sorry for an overpaid player? It's not the player tho that is at fault. This is what you seem reticent to accept. OWNERS/GM's paid that player too much. The system that Stern and the owners came up with caused the mediocre NBA players to get overpaid. They wanted to squash the top salaries, but in doing that they had to raise the middle class salary. This was a mistake. For one thing any team can afford to pay a STAR, but if you have a bunch of mid level players making too much you can't afford to pay that, cuz it doesn't put butts in seats. That was the Owners mistake and not the players, who would be happy to live under the old NBA rules where only the top players made big dollars. Those stars were on teams that could afford to pay and thus the burden wasn't spread to the losing teams as it is now.

You seemed very stressed out by all of this!

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Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:Players making 18mil a year on a crap team is kind of tough to feel sorry for. It's a business and players can't accept the money and the conditions. Im all for them getting paid. I think the NFL has a limit to how long a player can be tagged.

See there you go again! Who is feeling sorry for an overpaid player? It's not the player tho that is at fault. This is what you seem reticent to accept. OWNERS/GM's paid that player too much. The system that Stern and the owners came up with caused the mediocre NBA players to get overpaid. They wanted to squash the top salaries, but in doing that they had to raise the middle class salary. This was a mistake. For one thing any team can afford to pay a STAR, but if you have a bunch of mid level players making too much you can't afford to pay that, cuz it doesn't put butts in seats. That was the Owners mistake and not the players, who would be happy to live under the old NBA rules where only the top players made big dollars. Those stars were on teams that could afford to pay and thus the burden wasn't spread to the losing teams as it is now.

You seemed very stressed out by all of this!

No i'm just trying to help you come around to the right way of thinking on this. I have yet to hear from you exactly how i'm wrong in my conclusions.

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10/27/2011  12:00 AM
nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Nalod wrote:Players making 18mil a year on a crap team is kind of tough to feel sorry for. It's a business and players can't accept the money and the conditions. Im all for them getting paid. I think the NFL has a limit to how long a player can be tagged.

See there you go again! Who is feeling sorry for an overpaid player? It's not the player tho that is at fault. This is what you seem reticent to accept. OWNERS/GM's paid that player too much. The system that Stern and the owners came up with caused the mediocre NBA players to get overpaid. They wanted to squash the top salaries, but in doing that they had to raise the middle class salary. This was a mistake. For one thing any team can afford to pay a STAR, but if you have a bunch of mid level players making too much you can't afford to pay that, cuz it doesn't put butts in seats. That was the Owners mistake and not the players, who would be happy to live under the old NBA rules where only the top players made big dollars. Those stars were on teams that could afford to pay and thus the burden wasn't spread to the losing teams as it is now.

You seemed very stressed out by all of this!

No i'm just trying to help you come around to the right way of thinking on this. I have yet to hear from you exactly how i'm wrong in my conclusions.

I never said you were.

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Here is an excerpt from the last CBA that I found real interesting. It's related to the Knicks and their special situation owning the team, arena and TV network.

(Any entity that was an “entity related to an NBA team” as defined by
Article VII, Section 1(a)(4)(i) of the September 18, 1995 Collective Bargaining Agreement
between the NBA and the Players Association (the “1995 CBA”) shall be deemed a Related
Party under this Agreement for so long as such entity continues to be an entity related to an NBA
Team within the meaning of the 1995 CBA.)
This isn't the only time they refer to previous CBA's in a way that makes them living documents that have bearing on the new CBA.

Once you get past the BRI split it really comes down to owner against owner. This entire thing isn't really about the players. Do you know that the BRI split used to be 53% and so the players agreeing to 50% would take their split back to pre 2005 levels. I can understand why players wouldn't want to go below 53%, since they'd see this a a major step backwards on things they fought for in the past.

I found this interesting tidbit from the last CBA on the Knick. First they exclude the Knicks from having a TV Expert look at their TV deal:

(ii) In the event that, following the execution of this Agreement, a Team (other than the
New York Knicks (“Knicks”))
enters into a local or regional telecast agreement with a Related
Party, a copy of such agreement shall be provided to the Players Association within ten (10) days
of approval of such agreement by the NBA.

Then they explain how they'll come up with a figure for how much the Knicks pay in from their TV deal:

(iii) With respect to the transactions listed below in this Section 1(a)(7)(iii), the parties
agree that, because the proceeds attributable to these transactions cannot be accurately
ascertained, the following procedures shall be used for each NBA Season in which MSG
Network is a Related Party of the Knicks (in the case of Section 1(a)(7)(iii)(A) below) and the
Madison Square Garden arena is a Related Party of the Knicks
(in the case of Section
1(a)(7)(iii)(B) below):
(A) New York Knicks transaction with MSG Network regarding the
sale of local media rights: BRI for the Knicks for each NBA
Season covered by this Agreement shall include an amount equal
to the net proceeds included in BRI attributable to the Los Angeles
Lakers’ sale, license or other conveyance of all local media rights

(including, but not limited to, broadcast and cable television and
radio) for such NBA season.
(B) New York Knicks transactions with Related Parties involving
signage: BRI for the Knicks for the 1999-2000 NBA Season shall
include $3,750,000 for signage.
In each subsequent Season
covered by this Agreement, this amount shall be increased (or
decreased, as the case may be) by the League-wide percentage
increase (or decrease) in signage as determined in accordance with
Section 1(a)(1)(v) and (a)(1)(vi) above.
At such time as the MSG Network and/or the Madison Square Garden
Arena are no longer Related Parties, BRI for the New York Knicks in the
categories described in Section 1(a)(7)(iii)(A) and/or (B) above, as the
case may be, shall not be determined in accordance with the foregoing and
will instead be determined by the applicable provisions of Section 1(a)(1)
and (a)(7)(ii) above.

IMO this is some slick ish. The Knicks knew that they probably were going to make a TON of money from their TV deal and rather than deal with actual numbers they locked in an estimated number that likely wouldn't really reflect the true amount they'd be making on their MSG network. Who knows how much the old Laker deal was for, but I would bet it wasn't close to how much MSG was going to really be making. Even the amount the Knicks pay in for signage is an old number from 1999-2000. I bet that the Knicks brass argued that they couldn't give them actual numbers going forward since they didn't know yet, but I guarantee that they far exceeded the old numbers they gave.

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10/27/2011  1:14 PM

Nix is breaking down the 1999 agreement. God love you!

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10/27/2011  3:47 PM
I smell a law degree as well as an MBA/doctorate in Finance!

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