tweet0EmailPrintNBA players and owners resumed mediation for a third straight day as several smaller issues in the labor talks are starting to fall into place, sources involved and with knowledge of the discussions told Yahoo! Sports.

NBA commissioner David Stern isn’t attending Thursday’s mediation session after being sent home in the morning with the flu. Stern will continue to participate in the talks via phone, deputy commissioner Adam Silver said.

The league and players union made some progress in smaller issues in the first two days of mediation. Among them:

• The two sides are nearing a compromise on the annual midlevel exception starting at $5 million with annual raises over three years, sources told Y! Sports. Two weeks ago, the NBA was proposing a $3 million starting salary for the midlevel.

More From Adrian WojnarowskiNBA owners, players closer on revenue split Oct 19, 2011 Kobe, other NBA stars plan global tour Oct 19, 2011 In previous days, the owners and players agreed on starting the midlevel exception at $4.8 million. Two sides had differed on the length of contracts teams could offer players with the exception, as well as the percentage of annual increase. The players were willing to reduce the maximum length of midlevel deals from five years to four, but the owners wanted the length dropped to three years.

Now, they’re close to compromising on a $5 million starting salary with a maximum length of three years.

• The owners also are proposing a “bonus pool” of money for high-achieving young players with performance-based incentives. Under the proposal, players would be rewarded for winning Rookie of the Year and making All-Star teams and other accomplishments. The union wants young stars such as the Chicago Bulls’ Derrick Rose(notes) and Los Angeles Clippers’ Blake Griffin(notes), who have out-earned their rookie-scale contracts, to have quicker access to more lucrative extensions. Currently, a rookie contract can be renegotiated between the third and fourth seasons, and goes into affect after the fourth and final year of the initial deal.

• As CBS Sports reported, the proposed amnesty clause that will allow teams to cut loose one problematic contract per team at the conclusion of the lockout will allow for teams to have 75 percent of the money taken off the salary cap over the length of the deal. The player will become a free agent, and the team will have only 25 percent of his annual salary on the books going forward. Players will still receive the full amount of money they’re owed under the contract.

The biggest hurdle left in discussions for the new amnesty clause, sources told Y! Sports, is how long teams will have to pay the player the money owed him. Will it be over two years, five years, seven years? The teams want the bought-out player to be paid over a longer period of time, while the union wants the money paid in shorter order. This is an area where a compromise will easily be found, sources said.

On Wednesday, the owners and players also narrowed the gap between them on the league’s revenue split. As long expected, the two sides moved closer to a “50-50 split, give or take a point with ranges based on revenue performance,” one source said.

While the league’s owners and players made progress in Wednesday’s 8½-hour mediation session, one source involved in the talks was hesitant to characterize it as a “breakthrough” moment, saying system issues could again derail talks.

The biggest obstacle between the two sides remains the luxury tax proposals to punish big-spending teams and discourage them from overpaying players. The NBA wants to limit players’ “Larry Bird Rights” they enjoy now by forbidding teams to go over the cap to pay their current players. They also want to restrict teams over the cap from using the midlevel and biannual exceptions to sign players on an every-year basis. The players contend the restrictions will act as a de facto hard salary cap.

Thursday’s mediation began shortly after the end of the owners’ board of governors meeting in which the owners had a “robust” discussion on revenue sharing, Silver said. Silver didn’t reveal specifics on the proposal saying the structure of the new revenue-sharing system remains contingent on the completion of a new collective bargaining agreement with the players.

Silver also didn’t rule out the NBA still putting together an 82-game schedule even though the league has already canceled the first two weeks of the season. He said only that it’s “unclear” whether the 29 arenas the league uses would have flexible-enough dates to create a full schedule.

The NBA and Players Association have met with federal mediator George Cohen for more than 24 hours over three days, including a 16-hour session on Tuesday. They suspended talks Wednesday evening to allow the league’s owners to meet. Cohen said the discussions between the two sides have been “direct and constructive.”

During a media tour last week, Stern said he would consider canceling more games – possibly through Christmas – if a new labor agreement wasn’t reached by Tuesday. The ongoing mediation sessions appear to have forced Stern to at least table those plans.

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nixluva wrote:CrushAlot, THANKS for posting this. I found it very informative and interesting in a few areas. Glad to hear they may settle on the near 50/50 split. Sounds reasonable and about as fair as you can get, right? The thing that somewhat concerns me is the stuff in this paragraph.

The biggest obstacle between the two sides remains the luxury tax proposals to punish big-spending teams and discourage them from overpaying players. The NBA wants to limit players’ “Larry Bird Rights” they enjoy now by forbidding teams to go over the cap to pay their current players. They also want to restrict teams over the cap from using the midlevel and biannual exceptions to sign players on an every-year basis. The players contend the restrictions will act as a de facto hard salary cap.

If you look at what the owners are now looking to do, it's not about salary IMO. It's about rigging the league so that star players are almost forced to move around and be shared by different owners. If you're a team that is over the cap and are heavily penalized for going over, chances are you'll be letting players go. If you can't go over the cap to sign your Bird Rights player then again that player is going to go to a team with cap space (usually a bad team) in order to get his money. So now instead of helping small cities keep their players by being able to give them MORE, they are pushing stars and good players towards the small cities by rigging the system so big cities can't really keep all the stars and good players due to cap restrictions and such. It's a redistribution of the talent wealth.

except that their plan will probably still backfire when teams like OKC are forced to lose some of their talented nucleus and then those guys end up signing in bigger markets for less money in order to offset their salary losses with endorsement opportunities.

eViL wrote:i mean, i don't understand why they think big market teams are benefiting from the current system. no one is "buying" NBA championships.

for the most part, NBA champions usually consist of at least one "home-grown" star. the NBA is a star-driven league and unfortunately there are not enough true cornerstone players to go around. there's no guarantee that a franchise player will be available to draft in any given year. and then some years, there's 4 or 5 of them.

there is no rigging this. the biggest problem in the NBA, in my opinion, is that teams are so restricted in the way that they can trade players that rebuilding takes forever. that should be the issue addressed in the new CBA. it shouldn't take more than 2 years of good management to fix a team. solve that problem and then we'll be as close as we can get to a "level playing field."

Yeah I think the best idea they had was the Amnesty cuz punishing teams for one bad player with a big contract really took away from a teams ability to get out of a hole.

As for how teams win titles it's a very clear fact that MOST of the time you have to start with drafting a superstar. It's not something anyone can control. There's a huge element of luck involved in that. Some years as you said eViL, there just isn't a great player in the draft. I also agree with you that as usual the owners attempts to try and rig things could backfire against teams that have done things the right way like OKC. I've been arguing that Stern and the Owners CBA's have not worked the way they planned, so why should we believe this bunch of ideas will work as they plan?

Look they've gotten the money split down which should help, but there's a danger the league could take things too far.

fishmike wrote:so we can void Melo?

haha, that is just what I was thinking.. LOL