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martin
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10/18/2011  2:18 PM
wonder if this played into Gilbert's over-the-top disdain for LeBron leaving.

Dan Gilbert's Cavsino
By Henry Abbott

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32618/dan-gilberts-cavsino

Back before The Decision, when the Cavaliers were incredibly popular, owner Dan Gilbert made one of the boldest business plays of his bold business life: He entered the casino business.

Ohio voters had rejected casinos four times, but this was an offer from the man behind the team that had captivated a state. On a fall night in 2009, after LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal earned their first win as Cleveland teammates, Gilbert and his co-investors threw a party to celebrate the referendum that some estimate may have won them a billion dollars in future earnings, thanks to control of Ohio's first casinos.

One of them will even be attached to the arena where the Cavaliers play. Brian Windhorst writes:

When it is completely finished it will literally be attached to the Cavs. A walkway will connect the arena and the casino, where fans will be able to park and walk to the game past the gaming tables and slots. The more fans that attend Cavs games, the more people there will be in the casino on game nights.

Park in the casino, have dinner there, walk into the arena past the slots and blackjack tables, stop at a bar in the casino for a nightcap on the way out after you walk past the slots and tables again. Or stop by before or after watching the Cleveland Indians, who play next door. You don't need an MBA to understand the business plan.


As Malcolm Gladwell has established with his dissection of Bruce Ratner's land deal, the full picture of costs and gains for NBA owners is, in some cases, far more complex than what's on the team's balance sheet. If the Cavaliers help Gilbert get a casino referendum passed, and if they bring a steady stream of high-rollers to his casino, well those are benefits of owning teams that are not counted in the NBA's reports of $300 million in annual losses.

And don't forget that Gilbert has long maintained that the financial benefits of owning a team extend far beyond the team's own profits and losses.

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Nalod
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10/18/2011  3:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2011  3:28 PM
Turn them pockets inside and out cuz they a coming to take the money!

A casino downtown next to an arena is evil!

Is it gonna be open for when "Seseme stree on ice" comes to town? Degenerate parents losing weeks paycheck in route to see the Circus and no cotton candy for the kids, or some redneck pukefest when Sugerland comes to town, or gang war in the casin when the rap groups come into town? Tracter pull, then dinner in the casino! Wonderful!

Owner of Islanders has been trying for years to use the team as a spring board to real estate developement. Ratner had the right idea. IF you can get 100 dates with about 15-20,000 people coming you got something.

Im not gonna lie, a condo next to the new brooklyn arena would be sweet. 41 games and be home before Charles Barkley is on would be good. I guess the whole Island of manhatten works the same way if you got the goods to live in the City!

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10/18/2011  5:12 PM
That is going to be a goldmine. Cleveland is a very easy city to get around for sportsfans. The Cavs play across the street from the Indians and the Browns are less than a mile away. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is also within walking distance of Gilbert's new casino.
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10/19/2011  3:21 PM
Owners of all kinds of businesses try to find synergies between various businesses they own, but they all have separate capital allocated to them and separate profit loss statements.
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10/19/2011  3:33 PM
I also love how the value of an NBA franchise is never factored in.

If you buy the Cavs for $250mm and lose $5mm a year in operating costs but your franchise is worth $350mm ten years later did you lose money?

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Nalod
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10/19/2011  4:29 PM
fishmike wrote:I also love how the value of an NBA franchise is never factored in.

If you buy the Cavs for $250mm and lose $5mm a year in operating costs but your franchise is worth $350mm ten years later did you lose money?

and if the value should drop?

We all thought real estate prices would never. They did.

I realize the end game is to sell for a profit but non is assured in this world.

I know values did go up, that that was the past. The future is always uncertain!

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10/19/2011  4:34 PM
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:I also love how the value of an NBA franchise is never factored in.

If you buy the Cavs for $250mm and lose $5mm a year in operating costs but your franchise is worth $350mm ten years later did you lose money?

and if the value should drop?

We all thought real estate prices would never. They did.

I realize the end game is to sell for a profit but non is assured in this world.

I know values did go up, that that was the past. The future is always uncertain!

well.. to be fair real estate VALUE never did drop. What you saw were inflated prices because banks would give ANYONE a mortage then sell the loans off as mortage backed securities. Almost ruined the country.

Your point works both ways... owners shouldnt buy houses they cant afford to live in.

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10/19/2011  6:49 PM

......or, the rent is too damn high!
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10/19/2011  7:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/19/2011  7:09 PM
fishmike wrote:I also love how the value of an NBA franchise is never factored in.

If you buy the Cavs for $250mm and lose $5mm a year in operating costs but your franchise is worth $350mm ten years later did you lose money?

Because not every owner is looking to sell the team as a business venture in that means. Also, why does a team that's losing money have an increasing value? Clearly, it's being overvalued if that's the case. Who wants to pay a premium for a business that loses money?

If it's true that 22 teams are losing money, it would be rather ridiculous if the values of the teams kept increasing.

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OT: interesting Cavs tidbit (Dan Gilbert's Cavsino)

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