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10/14/2011  11:12 PM
Knicks can't afford a protracted lockout

Updated: Oct 14, 2011 10:11 PM
By Alan Hahn

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Perhaps by Thursday, if the NBA Board of Governors emerge from their meeting and David Stern cancels more regular season games, the Knicks might be better off losing the entire season.

Of course we're overstating it. But there's no denying that this is hardly a group that can afford a rushed training camp and be thrust into a truncated season, with a sprint to the playoffs that would desperately need a good start.

No, if there is a team in the NBA that will suffer the most for this lockout on the court, it will be your New York Knicks, a group of players who hardly got to know each other down the stretch of last season after the 13-player blockbuster that brought Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups to Amar'e Stoudemire's locker room.

Sure, with Stoudemire and Billups (and, as we found out a few weeks ago, Melo, too) banged up offer the summer, a late start to training camp wasn't such a bad thing for this team. But now is it getting a little too late?

"We're trying to win a championship and we're trying to do whatever it takes to get to that level," Amar'e replied, "and by not having a training camp and not having this preseason, it's definitely going to hinder us a little bit."

Fans point to the last lockout, when the Knicks stumbled through the 50-game regular season in 1999 and then suddenly hit their stride just in time for a run to the NBA Finals. And though that team also had some chemistry to develop with the arrivals of Latrell Sprewell and Marcus Camby, the core of that team had been intact for several years.

This is not the case in 2011. These Knicks need time. And can't afford to lose any more of it.

This is why Amar'e pointed to the importance of "keeping ourselves in shape," while Carmelo said his goal this offseason was "trying to get in the best shape I can . . . get my body right." Both said they were more than ready to get back on the court now, if only the NBA and the union could reach an agreement.

"I'm ready for a season," Melo said.

Even if it's shorter than 82 games?

"Any games we can get," he said. "I'll take it."

Stern said warned on Thursday that the Christmas Day games, which includes a Knicks-Celtics rematch at noon, could be lost. Melo was told that it was heartbreaking for fans to hear this.

"Trust me, it was heartbreaking for me, too," Melo replied. "New York-Boston on Christmas? How can you want to miss that?"

Well, you don't. But that's the maddening thing about this lockout: both sides say they don't want to miss games, but then strike defiant poses as the games melt off the calendar.

"Right now," Amar'e said, "we're not budging."

As a result, they're not basketball players right now, they're pitchmen. They're live mannequins, walking billboards. But they're not playing basketball at the highest level in the world and this, just as much as poor eating habits and extra time on the couch, is unhealthy for them. They're not getting their critical dose of fierce competition and it's a matter of time before the symptoms start to show. Perhaps they already are.

Carmelo recalled that on Oct. 3, he woke up ready to head to the MSG Training Center for the first day of camp. Then reality set in. He had no gym to go to, no team to meet, no coaches to see. Melo last season coined an amusing phrase after nailing a last-second game-winner against the Memphis Grizzlies: "I do this!"

Right now, though, he's doing nothing.

Today he was supposed to be at practice, preparing for the third preseason game of the season, a meeting with the Boston Celtics at the Times Union Center in Albany. Instead, while Amar'e was in downtown Manhattan, within shouting distance of the Occupy Wall Street protest, hawking one of the many products on his endorsement resume (a great idea called Sheets Energy Strips), Melo was in Times Square, also promoting a new product called Power Grip, a "liquid chalk" for your hands, which he personally tested last spring, you know, in those halcyon days when the NBA had games.

Yes, all drama aside, they will eventually be back in uniform, eventually come together as teammates. Though both appear very comfortable in New York, they are still very new to each other. Let's be honest, the Knicks' dynamic duo would never be mistaken for characters in a buddy film. They've regularly kept in touch wirelessly, but rarely face-to-face. Aside from the South Beach All-Star Classic at FIU last weekend, they haven't even been in the same zip code that often during this excruciatingly long offseason, which made this week a rare ocassion.

But that doesn't mean a thing, Amar'e said.

"Whatever he needs, I'm there," he told me. "I'm pretty sure it's vice versa, whatever I need, he's there. Just a phone call away, man. I'm right there for him."

That includes being part of Carmelo's planned all-star charity game for New York, which he has pegged for mid-November. Where will he have it? "Jersey," he replied and explained how, since the lockout won't allow him to use the Garden, there's no other venue available that could house a large crowd. Izod Center, the Nets' former home at the Meadowlands, appears to be the likely choice.

I tried in vain to promote Nassau Coliseum. "At least it's in New York," I said (momentarily forgetting two obvious reasons why not: a. the place is a crumbling, obsolete dump and b. Antonio McDyess).

"But that's not the city," he replied. "It would be the same thing as Jersey."

You cut me deep, Melo. Cut me deep.

The next time we see Amar'e and Carmelo together on the court may not be until then, or, perhaps, when Amar'e finally decides to begin that minicamp for Knicks players at the IMG Facility in Bradenton, Fla. he's talked about since August. But Amar'e doesn't want to get that going until it appears the NBA and the players union are close to settling their differences in collective bargaining. That, at least, will give the Knicks some time together to get reacquainted and, perhaps, get on their mission.

"When the lockout is lifted," Carmelo said, "the New York Knicks will be ready."

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* - If Melo has his way, this new "Power Grip" product -- a liquid version of the chalk that players use to keep their hands dry during games -- which he promoted on Friday will mean the end of his buddy LeBron James' trademark talcum cloud pregame ritual.

"I'm going to be sure to send him tons of Power Grip," Carmelo said with a laugh, "because I'm getting tired of that talcum."

Actually, as ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst pointed out, LeBron cut the talcum cloud act during the playoffs last season.

* - Amar'e has an idea if the NBA decides to cancel the entire season: A Players League. Though it is logistically an improbable dream, at least Amar'e seems to have his heart in the right place. "I just want the fans to understand that as players, we're trying to make something happen for them," he said. "We're trying to play, we're trying to keep the fans involved in basketball. It's always been a great slogan, the NBA is fan-tastic. We want to keep that going.

"There's so many employees that are affected by this lockout, there are popcorn vendors, concession stand guys, all these people are affected by the lockout," he added. "It's not cool. So we're trying to figure out ways to generate income for everybody. So we'll see what we can do."

For the record, Carmelo doesn't think it's a real option, especially because, as he correctly pointed out, you would first need significant corporate investors to back the league.

* - Melo spoke the D word again and this time put some ownership behind it. When asked about the Knicks' poor defensive reputation, he said there was no chance the team could have become a good defensive team in such a short time, but vowed that they would be.

"I can sit here and answer all the questions about defense," he said. "We got to do it."

He later added, "We hav a team that can be a great defensive team. I'll lead that charge, I'll take that stance . . . At the end of the day, we will be a great defensive team." Save this quote. We may be recalling it one day.

For goodness sakes, let's hope we have a reason to recall it soon.

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10/15/2011  12:21 AM
Dolan can afford 5 years lockout.
Actually he will save a lot of $$$ and can get more revenue by renting the game time for other events in the Garden.
Knicks players... yehhh... they will nave some problems...
Knicks fans... this is another sad story....
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10/15/2011  12:27 AM
After all the money that Dolan just spent on renovating the Garden, Dolan doesn't really want to miss games. All that revenue is needed to help pay for the work. The Knicks are extremely profitable so I don't see him as one of the hardliners. All is good in his world.
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10/15/2011  12:43 AM
"We're trying to win a championship and we're trying to do whatever it takes to get to that level," Amar'e replied, "and by not having a training camp and not having this preseason, it's definitely going to hinder us a little bit."
Amare is a tremendous positive presence so his statements might be true. However, the past couple of years the Knicks have needed about 15 games for the coach to figure out a rotation and for the team to catch up to the jump other teams got coming out of training camp. I haven't seen the past few training camps as being that effective for preparing the team.
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10/15/2011  12:54 AM
Carmelo said his goal this offseason was "trying to get in the best shape I can . . . get my body right."

This is a bit funny coming off an interview where he was asked about not being able to do LBJ's ab workout, how much he could bench and was invited to a spin class with Boomer and Carton. Melo is a tremendous player but he does not appear to put any serious time into conditioning. How many 6'9" 240 (allegedly) guys say they can bench around 165?
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10/15/2011  7:09 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Carmelo said his goal this offseason was "trying to get in the best shape I can . . . get my body right."

This is a bit funny coming off an interview where he was asked about not being able to do LBJ's ab workout, how much he could bench and was invited to a spin class with Boomer and Carton. Melo is a tremendous player but he does not appear to put any serious time into conditioning. How many 6'9" 240 (allegedly) guys say they can bench around 165?

Is that all he can bench???
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10/15/2011  7:45 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Carmelo said his goal this offseason was "trying to get in the best shape I can . . . get my body right."

This is a bit funny coming off an interview where he was asked about not being able to do LBJ's ab workout, how much he could bench and was invited to a spin class with Boomer and Carton. Melo is a tremendous player but he does not appear to put any serious time into conditioning. How many 6'9" 240 (allegedly) guys say they can bench around 165?

Is that all he can bench???
Carton asked him if he was benching 125 and he said 'around' 165.
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10/15/2011  9:18 AM
Amare is a Knicks and I will root for him but this cat has head up his azz. You are a basketball players first that is what gave you the other opportunities. You are losing money right before your eyes. Melo is probably more realistic than Amare at this point. Javale Mcgee knows it its time to fold and take the 50-50 and get back to doing what you know best that is play basketball. These chumps are being used by their union and agents and they can see past it.
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10/15/2011  9:53 AM
Excuses are being made for the Knicks even when there isn't a season. Nice, nice.
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10/15/2011  10:31 AM
Vmart wrote:Amare is a Knicks and I will root for him but this cat has head up his azz. You are a basketball players first that is what gave you the other opportunities. You are losing money right before your eyes. Melo is probably more realistic than Amare at this point. Javale Mcgee knows it its time to fold and take the 50-50 and get back to doing what you know best that is play basketball. These chumps are being used by their union and agents and they can see past it.

Most players have such a short tenure in the nba that they can never make up the money lost if parts or all of a season are cancelled. The players are going to take a big hit in this labor deal. I think they need to realize that the cost of holding out longer for something better in the deal could negate their gains. Also, it isn't sounding like they are going to make any gains anyway.
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10/15/2011  11:23 AM
We're pretty much the losers in most of these lockout ending scenario's- it seems if/when the agreement on the CBA is reached, it will really put us in a much worse position.

For a start since there doesn't seem to be rollbacks on existing contracts, we'll be stuck with Amar'e and melo's large contracts, with a reduced cap. That means teams that sign players from now on have an unfair advantage over teams that signed big contract players last season or before. I think it would only be fair if current contracts were recorded in salary cap figures as what they would be under the new agreement, so while the player still gets the same, their number against the cap is what it would be if they just signed.

Secondly, the owners seem hell bent on stopping super teams from forming, still spiteful over Miami. Which means we can kiss CP3 or DH goodbye. The owners are being amazingly short sighted- it means miami will be locked in with their three stars, while no other team will be able to assemble a team with more than one or two stars- in the name of competitiveness and parity, they're essentially putting miami at an advantage for years to come. Also do the teams pushing for this (such as the Cavs) not realise that this whole "only being able to use Bird rights for one player each season" proposal, will come back to bite them in the ass in a few years time if their current draft picks pan out.

Also I don't get why NY fans should be expected to pay higher ticket prices than most other cities, yet not be allowed to use that extra money on paying player salaries (if the luxury is as hefty as proposed)- why should NY fans be essentially giving money to other teams? Also what's the financial incentive for Dolan in that- instead of agreeing to give a set amount to poorer teams in revenue sharing, why doesn't he just cut ticket prices?

And finally- big market teams usually have higher tax's and living costs than the smaller market teams- if the leagues serious about a level playing field, shouldn't teams in high tax states be allowed to pay players more to compensate?

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10/15/2011  1:08 PM
smackeddog wrote:We're pretty much the losers in most of these lockout ending scenario's- it seems if/when the agreement on the CBA is reached, it will really put us in a much worse position.

For a start since there doesn't seem to be rollbacks on existing contracts, we'll be stuck with Amar'e and melo's large contracts, with a reduced cap. That means teams that sign players from now on have an unfair advantage over teams that signed big contract players last season or before. I think it would only be fair if current contracts were recorded in salary cap figures as what they would be under the new agreement, so while the player still gets the same, their number against the cap is what it would be if they just signed.

Secondly, the owners seem hell bent on stopping super teams from forming, still spiteful over Miami. Which means we can kiss CP3 or DH goodbye. The owners are being amazingly short sighted- it means miami will be locked in with their three stars, while no other team will be able to assemble a team with more than one or two stars- in the name of competitiveness and parity, they're essentially putting miami at an advantage for years to come. Also do the teams pushing for this (such as the Cavs) not realise that this whole "only being able to use Bird rights for one player each season" proposal, will come back to bite them in the ass in a few years time if their current draft picks pan out.

Also I don't get why NY fans should be expected to pay higher ticket prices than most other cities, yet not be allowed to use that extra money on paying player salaries (if the luxury is as hefty as proposed)- why should NY fans be essentially giving money to other teams? Also what's the financial incentive for Dolan in that- instead of agreeing to give a set amount to poorer teams in revenue sharing, why doesn't he just cut ticket prices?

And finally- big market teams usually have higher tax's and living costs than the smaller market teams- if the leagues serious about a level playing field, shouldn't teams in high tax states be allowed to pay players more to compensate?


I think that is a great point. NBA teams in states like Florida where there is no state income tax have tremendous advantage over other states.
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10/16/2011  11:28 AM

MSG running costs are huge compared to other cities. Basically if we can load up our developement team that could help. Also if there is no hard cap we could outspend others to some degree. Players will have other opportunities in NY that they won't in Oklahoma city.

What many of you are missing is supply and demand. Why should Dolan cut prices if the tix are selling? They are not going to revenue sharing but they want a hard cap. This way small market teams can compete and make money. Large teams that do will will make a ton of money. Why is that so wrong? why is it wrong for owners to make money?

Knick fans have put up with basically 10 years of crap and still come back. Thats what dolan knows.

Yankees are a juggernut cash cow. Winning product keeps the fans in the seats. If they were celler dwellers the place would be a disaster.

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