2012-13 Contracts
Atlanta -      $60,921,971
Boston -       $29,421,145
Charlotte -    $29,796,338
Chicago -      $50,902,511
Cleveland -    $31,253,012
Dallas -       $44,649,384
Denver -       $16,552,549
Detroit -      $41,610,000
Golden St -    $44,327,622
Houston -      $28,097,882
Indiana -      $23,907,329
LA Clips -     $24,382,411
LA Lakers -    $67,607,960
Memphis -      $26,940,532
Miami -        $65,724,000
Milwaukee -    $43,871,253
Minnesota -    $30,255,802	
New Jersey -   $36,529,457
New Orleans -  $44,161,667
New York -     $41,073,799
Oklahoma -     $44,473,021
Orlando -      $75,665,410
Philadelphia - $39,268,604
Phoenix -      $28,648,960
Portland -     $50,637,785
Sacramento -   $23,312,624
San Antonio -  $44,345,492
Toronto -      $39,525,281
Utah -         $41,643,040
Washington -   $41,205,942	

Just look at the attendance numbers for last year. Where is the huge problem in getting fans in the seats?

2011 Attendance	Home	Road	Overall
RK	TEAM	        GMS	TOTAL	AVG	PCT	GMS 	AVG 	PCT 	GMS	AVG	PCT
1	Bulls	        41	893,462	21,791	104.2	41	18,431	96.1	82	20,111	100.3
2	Trail Blazers	41	840,924	20,510	102.7	41	16,333	86.0	82	18,422	94.5
3	Cavaliers	41	824,595	20,112	97.8	41	16,200	84.1	82	18,156	91.2
4	Mavericks	41	824,162	20,101	104.7	41	16,657	87.7	82	18,379	96.2
5	Heat	        41	810,930	19,778	100.9	41	19,447	100.9	82	19,612	100.9
6	NY Knicks	41	808,879	19,728	99.8	41	18,044	93.9	82	18,886	96.9
7	Jazz	        41	799,982	19,511	98.0	41	17,331	91.2	82	18,421	94.7
8	Lakers	        41	778,877	18,997	99.7	41	19,087	100.2	82	19,042	99.9
9	Magic	        41	777,852	18,972	102.6	41	17,428	90.5	82	18,200	96.4
10	Warriors	41	766,398	18,692	95.4	41	17,049	89.6	82	17,871	92.5
11	Celtics	        41	763,584	18,624	100.0	41	18,964	98.0	82	18,794	99.0
12	Spurs	        41	750,879	18,314	98.6	41	17,389	91.1	82	17,851	94.8
13	Thunder	        41	744,068	18,148	99.7	41	17,774	93.4	82	17,961	96.5
14	Clippers	41	727,462	17,742	93.1	41	17,614	92.7	82	17,678	92.9
15	Suns	        41	720,249	17,567	95.4	41	17,462	91.6	82	17,514	93.5
16	Nuggets	        41	692,968	16,901	88.2	41	17,285	90.8	82	17,093	89.5
17	Wizards	        41	688,466	16,791	83.2	41	17,192	89.2	82	16,992	86.1
18	Pistons	        41	683,080	16,660	75.5	41	16,732	87.5	82	16,696	81.1
19	Raptors	        41	679,208	16,566	83.7	41	16,855	91.9	82	16,710	87.6
20	Rockets	        41	663,839	16,191	89.7	41	16,943	88.9	82	16,567	89.3
21	Bobcats	        41	649,694	15,846	83.1	41	16,473	85.5	82	16,159	84.3
22	Hawks	        41	641,596	15,648	83.6	41	16,957	87.9	82	16,303	85.7
23	Bucks	        41	631,910	15,412	82.3	41	16,911	87.4	82	16,162	84.9
24	Timberwolves	41	624,960	15,242	78.8	41	16,885	88.5	82	16,064	83.6
25	76ers	        41	604,823	14,751	72.6	41	17,155	89.5	82	15,953	80.8
26	Hornets	        41	603,088	14,709	86.1	41	17,179	89.9	82	15,944	88.1
27	Grizzlies	41	600,687	14,650	80.9	41	16,441	86.4	82	15,546	83.7
28	Nets	        41	581,378	14,179	80.6	41	17,098	88.4	82	15,639	84.7
29	Kings	        41	569,496	13,890	80.2	41	17,400	91.2	82	15,645	86.0
30	Pacers	        41	555,077	13,538	74.5	41	16,844	87.0	82	15,191	81.0

Nalod wrote:
Were are the net figures after expenses?

What the hell are you talking about? The owners are using this temporary set of losses as an excuse to squeeze more out of the players. But they know that most teams aren't heavily capped after the coming season. You have only 4 teams scheduled to be over the cap with no way of changing that situation. The vast majority of the teams will be under the cap and many WAY under the cap. There are only a small amount of big salary stars left that are not locked up in long term contracts. CP3, Howard & Deron.

The owners could agree to the players 52.4-47.6 split and make a profit. Unless all of these teams went crazy giving out big contracts to scrubs there's no way they can end up not making a profit.

ItalianStallion wrote:Players salaries are not the only expense.

I know the owners have other expenses, but it's the largest factor and pretty much the only thing the owners can control right now. Remember the owners wanted to back out the cost of financing to the tune of 350 Mil, deducted from the BRI. When owners sell teams they don't share those profits with the players. So why should the players be included in the costs of buying a team?

We've reached a point where there aren't going to be many teams at or above the cap. If that's the case then the owners should be able to turn a profit fairly easily. If not then they all are financial idiots for not figuring out before hand if they could cover their expenses if the players salaries are at or below the cap. This is why I blame the owners. How did they work the numbers when they knew before hand what the leagues revenues were and what their expenses where. If they knew these things how did they allow the players to have a % of the BRI that was more than they could afford to pay?

The owners are guilty of running their franchises poorly. Instead of streamlining their operations and making sound decisions they tend to run the teams in a wasteful manner. I also don't think that the owners have found a way to maximize profits using new methods and new marketing options.

ItalianStallion wrote:Players salaries are not the only expense.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Were are the net figures after expenses?

What the hell are you talking about? The owners are using this temporary set of losses as an excuse to squeeze more out of the players. But they know that most teams aren't heavily capped after the coming season. You have only 4 teams scheduled to be over the cap with no way of changing that situation. The vast majority of the teams will be under the cap and many WAY under the cap. There are only a small amount of big salary stars left that are not locked up in long term contracts. CP3, Howard & Deron.

The owners could agree to the players 52.4-47.6 split and make a profit. Unless all of these teams went crazy giving out big contracts to scrubs there's no way they can end up not making a profit.

So testy. It's almost like you work for the NBPA. Your insane fight on behalf of them is just that - insane.

These players don't care half as much as you do about this. They have their money. They just want to hold on to as much as they can of it. And even if they "give back" that 7%, they'll still be stinkin' rich.

And the owners will still be stinkin' rich with or without the 7%.

Both parties are pathetic. The only losers are the fans.

ItalianStallion wrote:Players salaries are not the only expense.

It is the largest by far.... if you are going into cost cutting mode in your own house, what bill are you looking to chop first? your 450 dollar utility bill, or your 5 dollar a week lottery purchases?

tkf wrote:

ItalianStallion wrote:Players salaries are not the only expense.

It is the largest by far.... if you are going into cost cutting mode in your own house, what bill are you looking to chop first? your 450 dollar utility bill, or your 5 dollar a week lottery purchases?

That was the point I was making in response to the idea that since they had some control of salaries they had control over everything. They don't. There are other expenses.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

The owners will always be stinkier, richer, and more pathetic.

Bonn, you sound very bitter..........

You make it sound like that's a bad thing!? If you're an NBA fan, you should be bitter right now!

Nope, GOt until the superbowl to get upset.

I want the hoop, but lets be real here, fans don't get hurt cuz they are not paying for anything. Games cancelled, they get the money back. Im not saying I don't want an agreement, but its entertainment!

Bitter? Shoot, after all the team has put me thru over the years NOT playing is not the worst of it.

loweyecue wrote:Overall I think the players are extremely greedy and I hate guaranteed contracts the thing should be abolished forever. If all other sports can do without it then so can basketball.

I am sorry I have seen too many Eddy Curry, Jerome James on the bench matches to give a rats *** about players being abused by the system. I call BS on that idea.

This thread is about the BS storyline the owners have put out there. "Oh we lost so much money. Help us!". Instead of just responding to this thread with Bias, how about looking in depth at the figures I posted and tell me how the owners are in such bad shape going forward? The owners know that the worst of the recession passed and they weathered the storm. Now only good days are ahead. Attendance is up! TV viewership is up! Just wait until the Heat/Knicks rivalry heats up over the next 5 years. The league is gonna be in great shape. There is no crisis. They're only using the losses based on the recession to cry wolf and squeeze the players in this negotiation.

Look at the cap numbers for all the teams and you'll see that maybe 4-5 teams are in any danger of paying a luxury tax. Teams have gotten smarter in how they pay salary. Plus there aren't many big contracts left to give out, except for CP3, Deron and Howard. The last free agent class took care of most of the leagues best players. All the other guys are so young they haven't hit the big money yet. From every indication the league is gonna be in great shape.

loweyecue wrote:I don't follow the owners are crap logic. I also don't see what a bunch of revenue numbers prove by themselves, like people have said you need to look at the bottomline, revenue is the top line. Ownwers are in it to make money they don'y owe anybody anything, least of all the fans. (I would rather if this was not the case, but reality is what it is).

Players do have something invested in it too, they have their entire careers and livelihood invested in it. It's not like they can make this type of money anywhere else.

Overall I think the players are extremely greedy and I hate guaranteed contracts the thing should be abolished forever. If all other sports can do without it then so can basketball.

I am sorry I have seen too many Eddy Curry, Jerome James on the bench matches to give a rats *** about players being abused by the system. I call BS on that idea.

Amen!!