Isiah gonna trade Lando.

Don't worry about it, it will be a big package and y'all with think it puts us over the top. Think Charles smith, kiki, or Harper. We'll get a good player cuz after all "we don't win a championship with Lando!"

Its all about CP3 isn't it?

Nalod wrote:Who is in charge of player personel when the stike is over?

Isiah gonna trade Lando.

Don't worry about it, it will be a big package and y'all with think it puts us over the top. Think Charles smith, kiki, or Harper. We'll get a good player cuz after all "we don't win a championship with Lando!"

Its all about CP3 isn't it?

In the end if we get a great team put together it doesn't matter who built it. I don't know if all the rumors are true, but at this point can't be concerned about it. We need this lockout to be over with and then see what the new CBA will be. Once we know the new landscape then we can see what will be possible or not. It may not be possible to put together a trade for CP3 under the new CBA, so why worry about it now?

I'm must going to enjoy watching this new squad. I think we have a really good mix of players and I think the staff has more balance now with Woodson on board. The last big questions will be what they do about the C spot. I'm completely happy with the guard rotation right now. I think Iman helps to round out the group.

Just think about this team right now and it's gonna be the most potent teams we've seen since the championship days in terms of firepower.

Amar'e, Melo, Chauncey, Iman, Landry, TD, Shawne, Walker, Balkman, Rautins and perhaps a C like Gray, Pryz or Dalembert. Jordan, Jorts, Turiaf,

Nalod wrote:Nix,

Being a knick fan you go with the product on the court. The rest is just drama.

I like Walsh and thought he was a good guy. Nice to have that. Like a guy.

Isiah is an *******. Woodson is all him. The guy is qualified so Im not against it, just not feeling the way things are decided.

Can't say I dislike Melo, just thought the process was one sided and we overpaid.

Do I make a stand and not continue to be a fan because of management? Not yet. Maybe when Isiah starts killing people perhaps. Until then, what is bankrupcy, ignoring children born out of wedlock, sextual harassemnt and outright incompetance have anything to do with anything?

All I know is that TODAY we have 2 current All Stars and a former All Star at the top of this team! Did we pay too much? You could say so, but IMO I felt that it was worth it when you think about how rare this kind of talent is and how hard it is to accumulate this kind of talent. STAT and Melo are in their primes, not at the end. The Celtics got a good little run out of their already aging stars and ours are younger. Pierce is 33, KG is 35 and Allen is 36!!! Melo is 27 and STAT is 28. The bulk of the Knicks remaining players are younger than that. We've got another 7 years before our stars are at the age the Celtics are now. That's good enough for me.

7	Carmelo Anthony	   SF	27	6-8	230	$18,518,574
1	Amare Stoudemire   PF	28	6-10	240	$18,217,705
4	Chauncey Billups   PG	34	6-3	210	$14,200,000
14	Ronny Turiaf	   C	28	6-10	245	$4,630,000
32	Renaldo Balkman	   PF	27	6-8	208	$1,675,000
23	Toney Douglas	   G	25	6-2	185	$1,145,640
5	Bill Walker	   SG	23	6-6	220	$916,100
3	Shawne Williams	   SF	25	6-9	230	$854,389
6	Landry Fields	   G	23	6-7	210	$788,872
11	Andy Rautins	   G	24	6-4	190	$788,872
2	Derrick Brown	   F	24	6-8	220	$762,195
9	Jared Jeffries	   PF	29	6-11	240	$221,136
0	Iman Shumpert	   G	21	6-5	212	 
0	Josh Harrellson	   F	22	6-10	275		 
0       Jerome Jordan      C    24      7-1     245

martin wrote:^ I never really paid attention to the ages of the Knicks player, but all under 30 except Billups. Not bad.

Turiaf might be 28 on paper, but in actuality he's about 47.

What are your thoughts of picking Dalembert or Humphries? I wouldn't worry about not being able to sign a max player if we are just missing the MLE price for the 3rd max player next summer because I believe the addition of these players will bolster our roster and trade value. And honestly for the MLE, they are assets and are tradeable.

Adding a player like Aaron Gray or Prizbilla at near the vets min wouldn't be a bad move either. It all depends on how NBA ready Jorts and Jerome Jordan are able to contribute. However, a player like Humphries adds the brains of a vet that can mentor them as well. Dalembert is a long, lanky, athletic, and defensive player but he isn't a high BB IQ player vs Humphries. Both don't need the ball to be effective however, I think Humpries has the slightly better shot and is smarter, Dalembert is physically more enticing, however, if his injuries kick in and he loses his athletic ability one day, he can have a big drop off to his game. Either way, I really think Shumpert has dedicated himself to improving his game and I really like what we have.

MS wrote:We added depth? We have no center or backup (Turiaf is always injured), backup power forward, true backup point or starting shoting guard. We have a ways to go and have to hope that Billups stays healthy, melo commits himself to offseason training, amare doesn't suffer another injury and jordan, fields, douglas, shumpert continue to get better.

Center options are the Vanilla Gorilla, Nazr, Aaron Gray and that's about it for the money that we have left to spend.

It's a basketball team!!! You only have a limited amount of players on the roster and so adding 2 or 3 players that can make the rotation is adding depth!

Melo is now a ? due to offseason training? Come on MS, you're better than that!

I would agree that STAT is a guy you have to be concerned about only cuz he's shown that you can't overuse him. I think they'll be more apt to rest him more from now on. Having Melo helps with that.

Turiaf is a known injury risk, which is why we're not looking to rely on him as our starting C.
However, we don't need to bring in Olajuwon at C either. We just need a solid C that can rebound and defend.

Billups hasn't had health problems and aside from the FREAK injury of a Knee to Knee collision it's irresponsible to assume that he's at risk for injury.

We already know that we need to sign a vet to help at C, however, we also still have backup options with Jerome Jordan and Jorts. I don't think we need to worry about backup PF as a pure position. Most of the bigs in the league are PF's even tho some play C. We have enough bodies to cover the PF spot.

As for Iman, we have drafted him as a PG/SG to help backup the PG spot. The Knicks were very confident that Iman could help immediately. That's one of the reasons they took him and so far it appears they were right.

ChrisMannixSI
Iman Shumpert just posterized Jordan Crawford.

MrMichaelLee
Gosh. I felt the earth move on that Iman Shumpert dunk. Poor Jordan Crawford fouled him but fortunately got out...of...the...way!

crzymdups wrote:I see Shumpert as a starting SG in the NBA. He reminds me a bit of a young Spree with his size, length and ability to overpower other SGs. When Spree was at Golden State, early in his career, they tried to make him a PG, too. In one stretch when Tim Hardaway was out, Spree played PG on a team with Webber and Mullin. But he wound up being a SG. That's what I see for Shumpert.

I really like this kid and I think he'll be a great fit next to Amar'e and Melo.

Unfortunately, I think he might be tradebait for CP3, along with Billups. I agree with Martin that this is kind of a wait and see year - but I think if Isiah gets his way the Knicks will trade for CP3 and install Mike Woodson as head coach in 2012.

Iman is gonna be a combo guard. He's gonna be a SG at times and when we need a few minutes at PG I think he'll be able to handle that. Who knows long term what he'll end up being, but I think he'll be a little like other scoring PG's in that he won't be Nash or CP3, but should be more than adequate in playing point. Westbrook isn't a pure passer. Rose isn't a pure passer. Heck even Billups isn't a pure passer. There are many examples of guards who play PG that aren't pure passers. Still due to his size and skills, Iman should play both spots.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I see Shumpert as a starting SG in the NBA. He reminds me a bit of a young Spree with his size, length and ability to overpower other SGs. When Spree was at Golden State, early in his career, they tried to make him a PG, too. In one stretch when Tim Hardaway was out, Spree played PG on a team with Webber and Mullin. But he wound up being a SG. That's what I see for Shumpert.

I really like this kid and I think he'll be a great fit next to Amar'e and Melo.

Unfortunately, I think he might be tradebait for CP3, along with Billups. I agree with Martin that this is kind of a wait and see year - but I think if Isiah gets his way the Knicks will trade for CP3 and install Mike Woodson as head coach in 2012.

Iman is gonna be a combo guard. He's gonna be a SG at times and when we need a few minutes at PG I think he'll be able to handle that. Who knows long term what he'll end up being, but I think he'll be a little like other scoring PG's in that he won't be Nash or CP3, but should be more than adequate in playing point. Westbrook isn't a pure passer. Rose isn't a pure passer. Heck even Billups isn't a pure passer. There are many examples of guards who play PG that aren't pure passers. Still due to his size and skills, Iman should play both spots.

I say he's a straight shooting guard. People thought Jamal could be a PG, too, and he wasn't. SGs should have playmaking skills - but that alone doesn't make them point guards. I haven't seen enough handle or ability to run the pick and roll to assume Iman can play the point - especially in the MDA system.

I think a Billups/Shumpert backcourt is our best bet out of the gate. Though I hope Iman can play a little PG, because I think a backcourt of he and Toney Douglas would be terrific for a change of pace for short stretches of the game.

I'm gonna side with Donnie and Mike who've seen this kid up close and in person. What are you basing your belief that Iman can't run some point?

Shumpert does not need the ball to be effective, making him a solid complement to the Knicks’ three stars. Although he is considered more of a combination guard than a true point, Walsh said Shumpert has the requisite playmaking skills. The Knicks need an eventual heir to Billups, who will be 35 next season.

“I think with our team offensively, he probably will play more point than he will two guard, because Chauncey can play ‘two’ probably as good as anybody,” Walsh said. “I think he can run pick-and-roll, I think he’ll see the play, and he’ll get better at it.”