nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

nykshaknbake wrote:Great so the only way we have defense if D. Howard comes here. Nothing elser coach could do so might as well do nothing. Poor misunderstood MDA. No way a caoch who is better than Jackson, SLoan and RIvers should ever be criticized. If it's all about talent than you'd have no problem if MDA was shown the door right?

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

You don't think talent leads to good offense or good defense? it's just all coaching?

I can't remember where I saw the stats (and don't really have time to look it up) but most all the really good defensive teams have very good bigs. It's kind of a prerequisite.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Great so the only way we have defense if D. Howard comes here. Nothing elser coach could do so might as well do nothing. Poor misunderstood MDA. No way a caoch who is better than Jackson, SLoan and RIvers should ever be criticized. If it's all about talent than you'd have no problem if MDA was shown the door right?

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

You don't think talent leads to good offense or good defense? it's just all coaching?

I can't remember where I saw the stats (and don't really have time to look it up) but most all the really good defensive teams have very good bigs. It's kind of a prerequisite.

What if your coach has an aversion to playing traditional lineups and thinks bigs slow down the offense? Can you overcome that philosophy and still be a good defensive team?

here's the thing: Mike doesn't have an aversion to playing bigs that slows down the offense. In fact, he played Turiaf and JJ to the detriment of his offense. And he wanted so desperately to play Moz.

Don't play a blind eye when watching the games.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Great so the only way we have defense if D. Howard comes here. Nothing elser coach could do so might as well do nothing. Poor misunderstood MDA. No way a caoch who is better than Jackson, SLoan and RIvers should ever be criticized. If it's all about talent than you'd have no problem if MDA was shown the door right?

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

You don't think talent leads to good offense or good defense? it's just all coaching?

I can't remember where I saw the stats (and don't really have time to look it up) but most all the really good defensive teams have very good bigs. It's kind of a prerequisite.

What if your coach has an aversion to playing traditional lineups and thinks bigs slow down the offense? Can you overcome that philosophy and still be a good defensive team?

here's the thing: Mike doesn't have an aversion to playing bigs that slows down the offense. In fact, he played Turiaf and JJ to the detriment of his offense. And he wanted so desperately to play Moz.

Don't play a blind eye when watching the games.

martin wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Childs2Dudley wrote:When Mike D'Antoni is fired and Woodson is the new coach, nixluva will then make posts like this defending the record of Woodson. And so on and so forth.

Mike Woodson isn't a good coach. He's actually quite terrible. Let's just get that out of the way before we eventually have this discussion next year.

quite terrible? Why do you say?

Severely out-coached during playoffs, even if his team went down to the wire with the Celtics. He got fired because his last season with the Hawks was abysmal from a coaching perspective. The guy had good defensive players like Smith, Horford, Williams, etc. and the team was bad defensively. Not to mention his offense was just horrendous. It was basically give it to Joe Johnson and let him create for others. Look how well that turned out for the Hawks. They won some regular season games but besides that year they went toe-to-toe with the Celtics they have been pretty much abused in the playoffs every year since.

I don't like Woodson as a head coach. If he were to replace D'Antoni I would be really angry. I would honestly rather have D'Antoni if that were the case. At least D'Antoni is one-dimensional. Woodson has no dimensions to his coaching. He's a weak coach who Hawks fans absolutely hated. If that laid-back fanbase hated the guy then I am sure we will eventually come to hate him as well. But I've seen enough of his coaching to already know he wont be good for this team. This team needs a respected, quality coach in order to win a title. Woodson isn't that guy.

martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Great so the only way we have defense if D. Howard comes here. Nothing elser coach could do so might as well do nothing. Poor misunderstood MDA. No way a caoch who is better than Jackson, SLoan and RIvers should ever be criticized. If it's all about talent than you'd have no problem if MDA was shown the door right?

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

You don't think talent leads to good offense or good defense? it's just all coaching?

I can't remember where I saw the stats (and don't really have time to look it up) but most all the really good defensive teams have very good bigs. It's kind of a prerequisite.

nykshaknbake wrote:Just pointing out the inconsistency. I've heard over and over how MDA really is a good defensive coach, but in the end its we need D.HOward otherwise we can't expect anything. And like he said if D.Howard was here you or I could coach D too! coaching and talent are multiplicative but with nixluva if something goes well under mDA it's all his ingenioius system, if not it's all the players. We don't have the squad too be a top defensive team but we do have the squad to put a hand up when a shot goes up, rotate compentently towards an open shooter and the like. That stuff is on the personnel but also alot on the coach.

martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Great so the only way we have defense if D. Howard comes here. Nothing elser coach could do so might as well do nothing. Poor misunderstood MDA. No way a caoch who is better than Jackson, SLoan and RIvers should ever be criticized. If it's all about talent than you'd have no problem if MDA was shown the door right?

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

You don't think talent leads to good offense or good defense? it's just all coaching?

I can't remember where I saw the stats (and don't really have time to look it up) but most all the really good defensive teams have very good bigs. It's kind of a prerequisite.

if that's what you are getting out of the posts, you haven't read them closely enough. Couldn't be further from what is being said.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Great so the only way we have defense if D. Howard comes here. Nothing elser coach could do so might as well do nothing. Poor misunderstood MDA. No way a caoch who is better than Jackson, SLoan and RIvers should ever be criticized. If it's all about talent than you'd have no problem if MDA was shown the door right?

nixluva wrote:NYC is where coaches come to die! It's amazing how many coaches that have had very good careers come to NY and get ripped and talked about like they are garbage. Yeah i'm talking about MDA and Woodson too if he ever got to be headcoach here. Does it really matter who it is? This city chews them up and spits them out.

Anyway. I'm apathetic to this hiring cuz I believe that it's not about the coaching as much as it is the talent a coach has to work with. You put D. Howard on this team and I could coach the defense!!! If we do in fact sign Dalembert or Pryz or Aaron Gray then I believe this team can improve.

You don't think talent leads to good offense or good defense? it's just all coaching?

I can't remember where I saw the stats (and don't really have time to look it up) but most all the really good defensive teams have very good bigs. It's kind of a prerequisite.

What if your coach has an aversion to playing traditional lineups and thinks bigs slow down the offense? Can you overcome that philosophy and still be a good defensive team?

here's the thing: Mike doesn't have an aversion to playing bigs that slows down the offense. In fact, he played Turiaf and JJ to the detriment of his offense. And he wanted so desperately to play Moz.

Don't play a blind eye when watching the games.

I believe the point was that he considered traditional bigs to be slow and plodding. His playing of Jeffries definitely was at a detriment to the team but he has a fondness for Jeffries that I don't understand. I think Moz was somewhat forgotten until injuries forced him back onto the court after not playing for at least a month. The huge game he had when he got back onto the court put him back into the rotation. I don't know when that opportunity would have came for him if injuries didn't force D'Antoni to play him. However, my point was that the coach wants to run and has said that he thinks bigs slow the offense down. I know I have posted that quote in the past.

No, the point was about traditional lineups, not about traditional bigs being too slow and plodding. Perhaps they are one in the same, but you miss the point anyway.

The last and perhaps only "traditional" big MDA had was Shaq, and he played.

Turiaf isn't a gazelle. And Moz played as much as one could expect considering his output - your 1-line quotes in articles have about zero weight here against what was going on in the games and season.

Who are all of these other slow bigs out there that I am missing? Darko? That piece of crap?