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In reference to Jarvis Crittenon how many people on this forum own a fire arm? Should guns be outlawed in large inner cities?
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Papabear
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8/27/2011  6:58 PM
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Hey Martin it's a quite basketball day today with the storm so with a basketball player maybe shooting someone it brings us the question about guns. I pack but don't sport it around with me. I just don't think it's right even if someone smacked me in my face. However if they break into my property I will introduce them to my little friend. I would warn first.

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8/28/2011  12:20 PM
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WoW!! This was a dud or people on this forum just ain't saying what they have in reference to arms permits. I can respect that. Maybe this was a bad post by me. Sorry.

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8/28/2011  12:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/28/2011  12:41 PM
I don't have a gun but I don't begrudge those that do. I just had a family member killed by an assault rifle and im a little angry these days for weapons designed to murder. Ex husband did not like the fact my cousin was being a good influence on his son so he killed him, his son (yes, the father killed his own son!) The ex wifes best friend, her daughter, but did not kill his ex wife. No, he shot her arm up real good so she could not work again. He told cops "I took her lover, our son, her best friend, her daughter and her abilty to make money but I let her live so she could suffer". I hope he does not get the death penalty, I hope he lives a very very long time in a really really bad place!

The dude had permits for his pistols but did not give them up because he did not understand english too well. we give gun permits to people who don't understand the laws? Stupid! How and where he got the assault weapon we don't know. Guns don't kill people I understand, but if he just had his pistol would things have been different? My cousin was killed shielding the three children in the house. Two lived unharmed. He saved two lives!

I have a big dog, and alarm but really with young niece and nephew in the house I might wait. I think if someone breaks in to go to unlock a gun kind of takes surprise away. Im kind of on the fence on the issue. I get it but we are a murderous society and more guns leads to more violence.

To answer your question, If its lawful to have them in the suburbs, why not the city? I think it should be consistent.

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8/28/2011  2:15 PM
I think that handguns and the like are ok as long as they are licensed. The permit laws and accessabilty are way too easy though. Assault style weapons have no role other than killing other, usually not defensively either.
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8/28/2011  2:17 PM
Nalod wrote:I don't have a gun but I don't begrudge those that do. I just had a family member killed by an assault rifle and im a little angry these days for weapons designed to murder. Ex husband did not like the fact my cousin was being a good influence on his son so he killed him, his son (yes, the father killed his own son!) The ex wifes best friend, her daughter, but did not kill his ex wife. No, he shot her arm up real good so she could not work again. He told cops "I took her lover, our son, her best friend, her daughter and her abilty to make money but I let her live so she could suffer". I hope he does not get the death penalty, I hope he lives a very very long time in a really really bad place!

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8/28/2011  2:33 PM
I don't own but go to the range

A buddy of mine let me stay at his townhouse in Houston for a few months earlier this year. We'd actually go to the range together. He bought a compact glock and was smart about safety and what not. Bio-metric safe, that type of stuff.

One night we downed shots. He passed out. I went out on the piss while he slept it off. Hey gave me a garage door opener instead of a key. I came in at 2-3am and the door woke him up... think he forgot about me, got his piece, pulled it on me

Now, he's a damned fine shot but I think he was drunk enough where he would've missed, put it through the sheet rock, and maybe killed a neighbor. Would have been a shame if the kid next door caught one, and why I'm okay with inner-city gun restrictions. If you miss while protecting your property, it could hit the neighbor

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8/28/2011  6:47 PM
in my little country hand guns are completely illegal.rifles are legal for hunting,but are not allowed to loaded unless youre auctually out hunting,going to and fro,at home etc,theyre supposed to be kept unloaded.even police officials at A certain rank cant carry handguns,i think sergant and over and only if youre out on the field,alot of ppl laud it saying it good that not many firearms are here so crime wont be so high.thing is its the end of august and weve had 96 murders thats a little over 10 a month for a place with 300000 ppl.im not saying ppl should have guns,i mot saying they shouldnt but i think if youve made up your mind to kill someone they prolly dead,gun laws or not
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8/28/2011  7:32 PM
It's not about the guns but about the people.
Was in Israel walking in the crowd together with soldiers going home for Shabbat.
Hundreds of M16 loaded in vicinity. Nobody get shot... but people get slashed by Palestinians knifes and runned over by tractors.
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8/28/2011  8:50 PM
i can't believe crittenton was allowed to carry a firearm after his NBA suspension... and i can't believe he didn't learn his lesson.

i think people should be allowed to own arms, but it's clear we need a better method of getting guns out of the wrong people's hands. there's no way javaris crittenton should have ever been able to carry a gun again after his transgression in washington. i know he may have been ilegally carrying, but we need to be able to police that better. maybe all guns sold in the US need a tracking chip built in?

frankly, i don't really see a reason why anyone living in a city needs a gun. i think it makes incredibly more dangerous. just last week in my neighborhood a 19 yr old girl was shot dead at 6pm by her boyfriend - it was still light out. i just don't see a compelling reason why anyone should ever be allowed to carry arms in a city. if you want to hunt some ducks or moose in alaska or vermont, i don't really care, but if you want to bring a gun on the subway with you... i just don't see a reason. i know that's not a popular opinion by the country at large, but i'd be curious if it were different in the cities.

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8/29/2011  7:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/29/2011  1:08 PM
crzymdups wrote:i can't believe crittenton was allowed to carry a firearm after his NBA suspension... and i can't believe he didn't learn his lesson.

frankly, i don't really see a reason why anyone living in a city needs a gun. i think it makes incredibly more dangerous. just last week in my neighborhood a 19 yr old girl was shot dead at 6pm by her boyfriend - it was still light out. i just don't see a compelling reason why anyone should ever be allowed to carry arms in a city. if you want to hunt some ducks or moose in alaska or vermont, i don't really care, but if you want to bring a gun on the subway with you... i just don't see a reason. i know that's not a popular opinion by the country at large, but i'd be curious if it were different in the cities.


Crzy..I agree with you on this. Guns aren't needed in cities. Most murders aren't planned like in the movies. They arise from a fight or argument. Someone gets really angry, grabs a gun and bam!. Or people become a little psychotic and kill a bunch of people - like the guy on the LIRR in 1993.

Jarvis C - there is a lot of anger and stress inside which is out of control. Needs to meditate and release that.

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8/29/2011  7:48 AM
Jarvis is on the run. Looks bad and easy to pass judgement when a alleged "perp" does that.
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8/29/2011  8:10 AM
Nalod wrote:I don't have a gun but I don't begrudge those that do. I just had a family member killed by an assault rifle and im a little angry these days for weapons designed to murder. Ex husband did not like the fact my cousin was being a good influence on his son so he killed him, his son (yes, the father killed his own son!) The ex wifes best friend, her daughter, but did not kill his ex wife. No, he shot her arm up real good so she could not work again. He told cops "I took her lover, our son, her best friend, her daughter and her abilty to make money but I let her live so she could suffer". I hope he does not get the death penalty, I hope he lives a very very long time in a really really bad place!

The dude had permits for his pistols but did not give them up because he did not understand english too well. we give gun permits to people who don't understand the laws? Stupid! How and where he got the assault weapon we don't know. Guns don't kill people I understand, but if he just had his pistol would things have been different? My cousin was killed shielding the three children in the house. Two lived unharmed. He saved two lives!

I have a big dog, and alarm but really with young niece and nephew in the house I might wait. I think if someone breaks in to go to unlock a gun kind of takes surprise away. Im kind of on the fence on the issue. I get it but we are a murderous society and more guns leads to more violence.

To answer your question, If its lawful to have them in the suburbs, why not the city? I think it should be consistent.

Wow. How do you shoot your own son??? That is a sick and selfish dude. It is a shame that people are so willing to hurt each other like that. Sorry about what happened to your cousin.

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8/29/2011  8:15 AM
IF you could take guns away from everyone, then I think there should be a ban on guns (except hunting rifles), followed by strict enforcement. If no one has a gun, then everyone is on equal footing and we can go back to fighting like men, instead of shooting people in the back of the head like a coward. The bottom line is that we would all be safer if there were no guns. Then the only thing we would have to worry about is the government.

This will never happen though because the NRA and gun manufacturers are too strong and honestly, many people don't trust the government enough to not have a gun.

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8/29/2011  10:59 AM
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Nalod wrote:I don't have a gun but I don't begrudge those that do. I just had a family member killed by an assault rifle and im a little angry these days for weapons designed to murder. Ex husband did not like the fact my cousin was being a good influence on his son so he killed him, his son (yes, the father killed his own son!) The ex wifes best friend, her daughter, but did not kill his ex wife. No, he shot her arm up real good so she could not work again. He told cops "I took her lover, our son, her best friend, her daughter and her abilty to make money but I let her live so she could suffer". I hope he does not get the death penalty, I hope he lives a very very long time in a really really bad place!

The dude had permits for his pistols but did not give them up because he did not understand english too well. we give gun permits to people who don't understand the laws? Stupid! How and where he got the assault weapon we don't know. Guns don't kill people I understand, but if he just had his pistol would things have been different? My cousin was killed shielding the three children in the house. Two lived unharmed. He saved two lives!

I have a big dog, and alarm but really with young niece and nephew in the house I might wait. I think if someone breaks in to go to unlock a gun kind of takes surprise away. Im kind of on the fence on the issue. I get it but we are a murderous society and more guns leads to more violence.

To answer your question, If its lawful to have them in the suburbs, why not the city? I think it should be consistent.

Wow. How do you shoot your own son??? That is a sick and selfish dude. It is a shame that people are so willing to hurt each other like that. Sorry about what happened to your cousin.

Strange, but the shooter was leaving the scene and rammed a cop car who was blocking the entrance. The Cop got T-boned and could not get out of the car right away (he was injured, but not bad), a neighbor ran out and held the shooter using his own pistol (with permit). The guy would have been cought anyway but what if the neighbor actually had to use it? Trained with a permit in a pistol range but what if he missed and starts hitting people in windows? Or the cop now dazed shoots him by mistake?

IM all over the place on this but very much think assalt rifles are in no way useful and laws too lax in them.

Conceled weapons in the city or suburbs is the same.

I was always afraid of a gun fight in my house even if an intruder came in as one of my kids might get hurt going thru the walls.

Suffice to say "murder" of a loved one is shocking and its a first for our family. We are having a hard time getting our heads wrapped around the event. Having to explain my my niece and Nephew (age 6-8) what happened is really tough.

Do we buy more guns to protect ourseves from more guns?

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8/29/2011  11:14 AM
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Nalod wrote:I don't have a gun but I don't begrudge those that do. I just had a family member killed by an assault rifle and im a little angry these days for weapons designed to murder. Ex husband did not like the fact my cousin was being a good influence on his son so he killed him, his son (yes, the father killed his own son!) The ex wifes best friend, her daughter, but did not kill his ex wife. No, he shot her arm up real good so she could not work again. He told cops "I took her lover, our son, her best friend, her daughter and her abilty to make money but I let her live so she could suffer". I hope he does not get the death penalty, I hope he lives a very very long time in a really really bad place!

The dude had permits for his pistols but did not give them up because he did not understand english too well. we give gun permits to people who don't understand the laws? Stupid! How and where he got the assault weapon we don't know. Guns don't kill people I understand, but if he just had his pistol would things have been different? My cousin was killed shielding the three children in the house. Two lived unharmed. He saved two lives!

I have a big dog, and alarm but really with young niece and nephew in the house I might wait. I think if someone breaks in to go to unlock a gun kind of takes surprise away. Im kind of on the fence on the issue. I get it but we are a murderous society and more guns leads to more violence.

To answer your question, If its lawful to have them in the suburbs, why not the city? I think it should be consistent.

Wow. How do you shoot your own son??? That is a sick and selfish dude. It is a shame that people are so willing to hurt each other like that. Sorry about what happened to your cousin.

How do you shoot your own son? I don't know. I would take one for my son without blinking an eye. Selfish? Beyond comprehensive!

In one room you have sadistic shooter and one who is putting his own life ahead of a child not his own. My cuz gave his life trying to protect a 6 year old boy from his vain father. We are comforted knowing two children will live life because of him. None was his children btw.

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8/29/2011  11:25 AM
Man, that's a sad story, Nalod. Very sorry to hear about your cousin. Brave man, indeed. Not much you can do about a psychopath with a gun and a vendetta.

As for guns, I think handguns should be permitted for use only in ranges and at home (no general carry permits!); rifles should be allowed for hunting; assault weapons and semi-automatic pistols should be outlawed entirely as they have no purpose but for killing humans during the commission of a crime. The background checks should be stringent and include a 1 month waiting period. The feds should manage the database of those who may not purchase guns. The trade shows where it is easy to purchase a gun should be heavily regulated. The penalties for illegally selling a firearm should be extremely punitive (e.g., 6 year minimum sentence).

There's no reason that your cousin should be pushing up daisies right now. Those who would argue that if HE had a gun, then he might still be alive miss the point entirely. We need a less violent society, not one with more guns.

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8/30/2011  11:22 PM
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Crittenton Was Robbed Of $55,000 Worth Of Jewelry
Aug 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT

Javaris Crittenton is accused of shooting a woman to death as retaliation for being robbed of $55,000 in jewelry, according to police.

Crittenton has been charged with murder in the Aug. 19 shooting death of Jullian Jones outside her house in Atlanta, FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said. Crittenton's attorneys have said he will exonerated.

Crittenton was robbed by two teenagers when leaving a barbershop on the evening of April 21st.

One teenager held Crittenton at gunpoint and ordered him to "give me what you got," he told police. He said he handed over a $25,000 black diamond necklace, a $30,000 black diamond watch, an iPhone and $25 cash, according to the report.

Crittenton's defense attorney Eldridge Suggs said his client wasn't in the vehicle that shot Jones and was eager to clear his name.

They picked the wrong man to rob!!!!

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/215370/Crittenton_Was_Robbed_Of_$55000_Worth_Of_Jewelry#ixzz1WZbDhY9p

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9/8/2011  8:02 AM
No guns big dogs:)
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9/8/2011  1:09 PM
Take away the guns, and you'll have a knife problem. Take away the knives, and you'll have a blunt instrument problem.

There was a father leopard who loved his son, but warned him not to go near the elephant herds at night.
The son went anyway and got trampled to death.
A neighboring leopard found the son's carcass and brought it to the father, telling him of what happened and expressed sorrow at the tradgedy, which, due to the size of the elephants and the ferocity of their herd, meant retribution would be impossible, as well as pointless.
The father leopard thought for a moment, and then exclaimed to the neighbor:
"Elephants, no it couldn't be elephants that did this! It must have been goats! That's it, the goats did it!"
The father then went and killed a herd of goats.

In reference to Jarvis Crittenon how many people on this forum own a fire arm? Should guns be outlawed in large inner cities?

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