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8/1/2011  3:04 PM
(For his part, Woodson has moved on, interviewing for the Minnesota Timberwolves' vacancy. And a source indicates he'll be in New York early this week to talk with the Knicks about becoming their defensive coordinator, a job that management has mandated coach Mike D'Antoni, entering the final year of his contract, accept for next season.)

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/08/01/morning-tip-labor-meeting-august/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

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8/1/2011  4:46 PM
Anyone figure this makes Woodson a target for replacing MDA should the Knicks succumb to mediocrity in the final year of his deal?
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8/1/2011  5:09 PM
Moonangie wrote:Anyone figure this makes Woodson a target for replacing MDA should the Knicks succumb to mediocrity in the final year of his deal?

I figure whoever the defensive assistant is will get first dibs on the position if D'Antoni is let go. We seem to be targeting defensive "assistants" who were head coaches.

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8/1/2011  5:16 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Moonangie wrote:Anyone figure this makes Woodson a target for replacing MDA should the Knicks succumb to mediocrity in the final year of his deal?

I figure whoever the defensive assistant is will get first dibs on the position if D'Antoni is let go. We seem to be targeting defensive "assistants" who were head coaches.

The prospect of making a good defensive team with STAT and Melo playing 35+ minutes a night must be very enticing.

But you could make a legendary name of yourself if you actually got Melo and Stat to play elite defense as they are capable of.

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8/1/2011  5:52 PM
The logic is flawed. There's no way MDA loses his job if the team plays better defense! This is going to be a top team partly due to offense, which M. Brown is horrible at and partly due to defense which MDA is not good at, so getting rid of MDA and letting Brown take over isn't really solving anything. This will be successful if we can find a C to help inside with rebounding and defense. I like the idea of adding help of any kind, but it still starts and ends with the talent you have on your team. The Mavs had a good defensive coach with a long history of having teams that play D, but that meant nothing until they gave him Tyson and Stevenson. Those 2 moves over the last 2 yrs helped improve the Mavs ability to defend inside and out.

The Mavs gave up 96 ppg this year vs. 99.3 last year. They lowered the FG % they allowed and gave up fewer rebounds this year as well. Nothing outrageous just small amounts 35.7 down to 35% 42.9 rebs down to 40.7 per game. 34.7% from 3 down to 34.3. Their Point differential was 2.7 last year and this year they won by avg. 4.2 ppg. This is the kind of improvement that the Knicks could realistically make to improve. The Mavs aren't the best defensive team in the league, but good D paired with great offense leads to wins. If Woodson can help to make reasonable improvements on defense, not miracles, but achievable gains, this team will be a real contender.

However, we need to improve the defensive talent too. We got a start on that with drafting Iman and Jorts. Both players are tough defenders. Jorts may not have the physical hops, quicks or length, but he uses his girth and strength very well. Now we need to find a C that can give us a little of what Tyson gave the Mavs.

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8/1/2011  6:00 PM
nixluva wrote:The logic is flawed. There's no way MDA loses his job if the team plays better defense! This is going to be a top team partly due to offense, which M. Brown is horrible at and partly due to defense which MDA is not good at, so getting rid of MDA and letting Brown take over isn't really solving anything. This will be successful if we can find a C to help inside with rebounding and defense. I like the idea of adding help of any kind, but it still starts and ends with the talent you have on your team. The Mavs had a good defensive coach with a long history of having teams that play D, but that meant nothing until they gave him Tyson and Stevenson. Those 2 moves over the last 2 yrs helped improve the Mavs ability to defend inside and out.

The Mavs gave up 96 ppg this year vs. 99.3 last year. They lowered the FG % they allowed and gave up fewer rebounds this year as well. Nothing outrageous just small amounts 35.7 down to 35% 42.9 rebs down to 40.7 per game. 34.7% from 3 down to 34.3. Their Point differential was 2.7 last year and this year they won by avg. 4.2 ppg. This is the kind of improvement that the Knicks could realistically make to improve. The Mavs aren't the best defensive team in the league, but good D paired with great offense leads to wins. If Woodson can help to make reasonable improvements on defense, not miracles, but achievable gains, this team will be a real contender.

However, we need to improve the defensive talent too. We got a start on that with drafting Iman and Jorts. Both players are tough defenders. Jorts may not have the physical hops, quicks or length, but he uses his girth and strength very well. Now we need to find a C that can give us a little of what Tyson gave the Mavs.

I think you mean Mike Woodson. Anyways, I'd be thrilled to have him. And I didn't even know that we drafted him back in the day. I remember his Atlanta team being good defensively

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8/1/2011  6:17 PM
ugh. mike woodson is a horrible coach. no, dear god no to him as a head coach.

as a defensive assistant? i guess, but i think the assumption will be that he'll come in mda's potential replacement no matter what.

that's maybe worth doing for lawrence frank. but for mike woodson? are you kidding me?

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8/1/2011  8:12 PM
I got crazy for a few minutes there, confusing Brown with Woodson. In any event, the story is still the same IMO. There's no way in world Woodson would replace D'Antoni. For one thing the team is too good now and if he comes in as a defensive assistant and the team wins, there's no way MDA gets fired!!! Why do so many fans insist that MDA is on his way out? It's not logical. The team is much improved and more likely to win than anything else. Even with all the turmoil last year the team was still above .500. This team is more likely to win 50 games than 41, so I don't see how the team could fire MDA if he does bring in an assistant for D and wins.
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8/2/2011  9:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/2/2011  9:35 AM
Moonangie wrote:Anyone figure this makes Woodson a target for replacing MDA should the Knicks succumb to mediocrity in the final year of his deal?

Actually, bleacherreport had it as the number five thing for the Knicks to do this summer, hire Woodson and get him ready to sit in the wings...I wonder how insecure that would make MDA.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/717493-ny-knicks-5-personnel-decisions-they-need-to-make-this-summer

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8/2/2011  3:23 PM
MDA would still be the head coach and Woodson's boss. Why does he have to feel insecure as long as the team wins? Man I think people are nuts if they think MDA isn't going to be nothing but successful with a team that has this much talent. He's a very good coach, despite the idea that he is one sided, as if there aren't other successful one sided coaches. Also the key isn't that you're team has to be a defensive juggernaut. The key is to have a balance to your team that adds up to championship level BB.

The best defensive team was the Bulls. They held teams to the lowest FG%'s and they rebounded the ball. In fact the top 5 defensive teams were CHI, MIA, BOS, ORL & LA in terms of FG%. Dallas was around #8. You have to be good on D, but being great doesn't guarantee a title. So IMO the best case scenario is keeping MDA and just improving the teams D. This team is a top offensive team and we don't even run like a typical D'Antoni team. Pair this offense with a decent Defense and you have a team that can compete for a title. If they hired Woodson and he helps to improve the defense I don't see why he should get control over the entire team just because of that. How many fans are passionate about having Woodson as the head coach? I'm not.

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8/3/2011  6:15 AM
The Knicks need to bring in someone who has been successful as a defensive coach. Woodson would not be my first coach, but the Hawks were a better defensive team under him than the Knicks have been under MDA. Woodson would help bring some structure to our defensive preparations, so I am all for this move.
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8/3/2011  9:01 PM
I found this comment to be somewhat humorous.

But Woodson's Atlanta teams did not have the defensive personnel to become one of the league's elite defensive teams, never having a defense-oriented point guard who could stop penetration. Therefore, Woodson, according to an associate, resorted to a style over-reliant on switching that occasionally drew criticism.
But Woodson, a former Knicks first-round pick, is regarded as having good defensive principles, having learned from Brown and Bobby Knight at Indiana.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/no_rush_on_knick_hire_p7Vjw6Ne2mr6u34WiKU5iJ#ixzz1U17tk1Tv

Just like the Knicks who for years didn't have the defensive PERSONNEL, Woodson resorted to a switching defensive style, much like Mike has had to do here in NY. You see i've been saying this for a long time, but it's nice to hear that i'm not the only one who knows that you have to have DEFENSIVE talent as much as you need offensive talent. We have had no real C and not enough perimeter defenders and so no amount of defensive schemes can cover up a lack of talent.

This is why you draft an Iman Shumpert. This kid is a legit perimeter defender and I think if you have him and TD and I hope they bring back AC cuz he was great on D, then you can really improve your D and it makes having a defensive assistant like Woodson or anyone else much more effective. Then if we can add more help at C now you're talking about having the needed defensive talent to really improve.

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