Looks like the kid has a lot to work on this summer and next year.

Moonangie wrote:http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/will-lockout-harm-shumperts-progress-as-a-knick/?ref=sports

Looks like the kid has a lot to work on this summer and next year.

And who exactly is going to be working on these topics with him, lock out or no?

Shumpert still has plenty to learn in terms of funneling his man into the help, rotating to the right spots (and opponents) more quickly, and defending his athletic equals.

TheGame wrote:Really hate that there was no summer league. That is usually the highlight of the summer for me while I wait for 3 more months until basketball returns. Shumpert really need a summer league to get himself accustom to our system.

League should allow an extended period of time for teams to prepare for the season since they haven't been able to do normal summer work programs and SL.

crzymdups wrote:

jrodmc wrote:And who exactly is going to be working on these topics with him, lock out or no?

he was working out with Chauncey Billups earlier in the summer. and the word is that the Knicks players are all going to starting working out together in August. so, while he won't have coaching, he'll at least have some veterans pointing things out to him.

jrodmc wrote:The article makes it sound like he's a definite 2 with really really really bad shot selection. I was under the vague impression that he would be a serviceable defensive backup 1. Is there a Shumpert versus Fields thread already?

I think it remains to be seen what kind of player he is. I think there's a definite chance he could make Fields expendable. I kind of see a three man backcourt rotation of Billups / Shumpert / Douglas forming. Shumpert can play alongside Billups or Douglas. I was kind of hoping that when Toney was on the floor, Shumpert could play more of a PG role.

The article talks about his ability to get to the rim, penetrate, etc. That was SORELY lacking in the offense after Felton left last season. If Shumpert can get to the rim, maybe he can run the pick and roll with Amar'e or Melo? That's what I'm hoping. I guess time will tell whether that's foolhardy or not.

A guy who can consistantly break down his man, get into the lane create open looks for Melo and Amare when their defenders rotate, OR just finish himself is exactly what this team needs. Its why Felton was so good despite struggling w/ the p&r, he was always in the paint where his floaters or little pull ups were good shots, or he was dishing when defenders rotated. When you have that plus elite defensive talents its a good fit here

crzymdups wrote:

jrodmc wrote:And who exactly is going to be working on these topics with him, lock out or no?

he was working out with Chauncey Billups earlier in the summer. and the word is that the Knicks players are all going to starting working out together in August. so, while he won't have coaching, he'll at least have some veterans pointing things out to him.

jrodmc wrote:The article makes it sound like he's a definite 2 with really really really bad shot selection. I was under the vague impression that he would be a serviceable defensive backup 1. Is there a Shumpert versus Fields thread already?

I think it remains to be seen what kind of player he is. I think there's a definite chance he could make Fields expendable. I kind of see a three man backcourt rotation of Billups / Shumpert / Douglas forming. Shumpert can play alongside Billups or Douglas. I was kind of hoping that when Toney was on the floor, Shumpert could play more of a PG role.

The article talks about his ability to get to the rim, penetrate, etc. That was SORELY lacking in the offense after Felton left last season. If Shumpert can get to the rim, maybe he can run the pick and roll with Amar'e or Melo? That's what I'm hoping. I guess time will tell whether that's foolhardy or not.

Fields really is a SF and I think he will be a better SF than a SG. Fields should be used primarily to backup Anthony and work as a cutter or spotup shooter when Amare posts. This Shumpert can be special player if he can get his shot worked out, which is a big IF, but the dude has elite athleticism that should allow him to stay on the court.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

jrodmc wrote:And who exactly is going to be working on these topics with him, lock out or no?

he was working out with Chauncey Billups earlier in the summer. and the word is that the Knicks players are all going to starting working out together in August. so, while he won't have coaching, he'll at least have some veterans pointing things out to him.

jrodmc wrote:The article makes it sound like he's a definite 2 with really really really bad shot selection. I was under the vague impression that he would be a serviceable defensive backup 1. Is there a Shumpert versus Fields thread already?

I think it remains to be seen what kind of player he is. I think there's a definite chance he could make Fields expendable. I kind of see a three man backcourt rotation of Billups / Shumpert / Douglas forming. Shumpert can play alongside Billups or Douglas. I was kind of hoping that when Toney was on the floor, Shumpert could play more of a PG role.

The article talks about his ability to get to the rim, penetrate, etc. That was SORELY lacking in the offense after Felton left last season. If Shumpert can get to the rim, maybe he can run the pick and roll with Amar'e or Melo? That's what I'm hoping. I guess time will tell whether that's foolhardy or not.

with Amare and Melo you dont need a pure floor general type who sees all the lanes, etc

A guy who can consistantly break down his man, get into the lane create open looks for Melo and Amare when their defenders rotate, OR just finish himself is exactly what this team needs. Its why Felton was so good despite struggling w/ the p&r, he was always in the paint where his floaters or little pull ups were good shots, or he was dishing when defenders rotated. When you have that plus elite defensive talents its a good fit here

I completely agree - if Shumpert can penetrate AND dish/finish, he will be invaluable. It seems like it's a possibility. I love the idea of having him and Billups on the floor together, with Billups playing a more traditional floor general role and Shumpert potentially orchestrating the PnR or slashing/creating from the wing.