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knicks1248
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6/30/2011  11:30 PM
When Chauncey Billups was watching the NBA Finals earlier this month, he might as well have been checking out a 2004 highlight video.

Team beats talent. That’s how many dubbed Dallas’ win over star-studded Miami and how many saw Detroit’s 2004 Finals triumph over the Lakers, who featured Hall of Fame-bound Shaquille O’Neal, Kobe Bryant, Karl Malone and Gary Payton.

“Yeah, I do,’’ said Billups, a New York point guard, said about whether the Mavericks’ win reminded him of the underdog Pistons beating the Lakers, with Billups being named Finals MVP. “I definitely do.’’

It was a year ago July 10 New Orleans guard Chris Paul made a toast at Carmelo Anthony’s wedding that Amare Stoudemire, Anthony and Paul eventually should join forces in a northern version of Miami’s titanic trio of Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh. Stoudemire had just joined the Knicks and Anthony would show up seven months later in a trade from Denver that included Billups.

If you ask Billups, though, he’s a lot more enamored with how the Mavericks have been doing things even if their marquee wasn’t as crowded with big names as the Heat’s.

“I think that in any situation you got to get a team,’’ Billups said in a wide-ranging interview at his basketball camp in suburban Denver. “It’s not about names, how many people on your team can make the All-Star Game. It’s not about that at all. It’s about putting the right pieces together. You got to have a cohesive unit. You got to have guys that know to play off of one another, guys that are going to be unselfish on both ends of the floor. Those are things that win championships, and we’ve seen that clear as day in the Finals.’’

Billups should know. His Pistons won the title with just one All-Star, the same number the Mavericks had last season to three for Miami. And Detroit’s All-Star, defensive stalwart Ben Wallace, was hardly the same caliber as Dallas’ Dirk Nowitzki.

“It’s not about that,’’ Billups said of collecting big names on a team. “We got two of the biggest names in basketball already (in Anthony and Stoudemire). It’s not about that. It’s about getting somebody that can play with the talent that you have… You look at the Mavericks, and they just share the basketball every time down the floor… Dirk is one of the best the game has ever seen. But he couldn’t do it by himself… So it’s all about the team.’’

If you think Billups is talking like a general manager, well, that’s eventually what he wouldn’t mind becoming. But Billups, 35 in September, looks to still have several seasons left as a player.

The Knicks are looking for a new general manager. It was mutually agreed upon that Donnie Walsh, 70, won’t stay on when his contract expires at the end of June. Glen Grunwald will serve as interim general manager.

“I was a little surprised,’’ Billups said. “I thought Donnie would come back. I don’t know the ins and outs of the situation. But I enjoyed Donnie. Donnie’s great. He’s a basketball guy. He knows the game, knows talent. It was really good working for him.’’

Billups didn’t get into specifics. But he said the Knicks, who went 14-14 after the blockbuster Feb. 22 trade with the Nuggets to finish 42-40 and then were swept 4-0 by Boston in the first round of the playoffs, face a pivotal offseason.

“We need a lot,’’ said Billups, a five-time All-Star who averaged 16.8 points and 5.4 assists last season. “We got (six) free agents…. We need a lot of stuff. That’s why the front office gets paid the big bucks. It’s their job to do it. It’s our job to execute.’’

At least the Knicks still have Billups around to help with the execution. Shortly after the season, his $14.2 million contract option for next season was picked up. He could have been bought out for $3.7 million.

“I didn’t know, but I wasn’t antsy,’’ Billups said of not being sure whether the Knicks would pick up the option by the deadline of five days after the Game 4 loss to Boston. “I liked for them to. But, if they don’t, I’m going to play at a high level somewhere and land on my feet.’’

Billups knows all about that. In his 14 NBA seasons, he’s been with seven teams, including two stops in Denver.

Billups, who calls playing in New York “absolutely awesome,” said it’s “all up in the air’’ what might happen when he becomes a free agent next summer. Until then, Billups will be renting while playing for the Knicks.

Actually, he rents by the day.

Billups lived in a hotel in White Plains, N.Y., near the Knicks’ practice facility, from when he was traded last February through the season. He plans to continue to rack up hotel points next season, whenever it might begin following a likely lockout.

“I live here,’’ Billups, a Denver native, said of the Mile High City. “I ain’t leaving here. This is my town no matter who I’m playing for… Why would I do that (establish a less temporary residence in the New York area)? I live here. I don’t need that. I got a house here. I’m by myself. Why would I buy something (in the New York area)?’’

Does Billups’ love for Denver mean he would be open to a third stint with the Nuggets? He played for them from 1998-2000 and from November 2008 until being shipped to the Knicks.

Billups wouldn’t rule out one day returning as a player, saying, “When I’m a free agent, I’m going to look at everybody.’’ Billups, who had talked before he was traded about eventually serving in Denver’s front office, also wouldn’t rule that out.

“You never know,’’ he said. “That’s the one thing that you always know in this game is you never know.’’

Billups insists he has no bad feelings toward the Nuggets for dealing him. When shown a picture of Denver rookie Jordan Hamilton holding up his new No. 1 jersey, the digit that used to belong to Billups, the veteran laughed and said, “They could have given that away the night of the trade.’’

“I’m not mad at (the Nuggets) at all,’’ Billups said. “It is what it is. It’s a business. I thought I was going to finish my career in Detroit (before the 2008 trade to Denver). I thought I was going to finish my career (in Denver). It didn’t happen. I don’t know where I’m going to finish my career.’’

Billups figures to get a big round of applause whenever he makes his first trip back to the Pepsi Center. But Billups insists it won’t be like his March 2009 Detroit homecoming.

“It will be cool,’’ Billups said. “It won’t be emotional for me. It won’t be like when I went back to Detroit. I had so many great years in Detroit. Six years, won a championship. Three years I was (with the Nuggets). Had some good, fun years. But it won’t be a big deal at all. I wasn’t (in Denver) long enough. It won’t be a big deal at all. But with Melo, it will be… I’m just going to sit back and chill and watch that.’’

Billups, who figures to receive plenty of cheers when the Knicks play at Denver, said he hopes the fans won’t boo Anthony, who played his first 7 ½ seasons with the Nuggets. But that’s not likely to happen considering Anthony, unlike Billups, wanted to be dealt.

Billups enjoys playing with Anthony, and wouldn’t mind that experience carrying over at least through next summer. Anthony, a 2008 Olympic gold medalist, is considered close to a lock for the 2012 U.S. Olympic team. Billups also wants to be on the team, although he knows there will be some “tough decisions’’ for roster spots.

“I’m committed for sure, 100 percent,’’ said Billups, a starter for last summer’s World Championship gold-medal outfit in Turkey. “(Team USA officials) know that. That’s a dream of mine to be able to play in the Olympics.’’

It remains to be seen what NBA team Billups might be representing by the time the London Olympics arrive. He could have a few more stops left in his career. Billups is in no hurry to retire, saying he plans to play at least a couple of more seasons.

Will he last as long as Dallas point guard Jason Kidd, 38, who has said he would like to play until he’s 40?

“I’m pretty sure I could,’’ Billups said. “I don’t know if I will want to. I’ll be able to do what I do for a long time. Because I’m going to beat you really with being smart, outsmarting guys, the same way Jason is out there playing… This league is getting younger all the time. As we’ve seen in the playoffs, in a lot of different situations, it’s tough to win when you’re young. You just don’t have the experience.’’

The experience of the veteran-laden Mavericks certainly was evident in the Finals. So was the triumph of team over talent.

Read more: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tomasson/2011/06/29/billups-wants-more-team-not-more-stars/#ixzz1QouwsKMy

This guy needs to retire a knick..He's going to be good for Iman and TD, and a general voice in the locker..Most importantly..It wants to be here

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7/1/2011  12:32 AM
I believe what there is some truth to what he is saying. A cohesive unit is a greater team than adding up star players + stats. A mix of youth legs, veteran leadership, 2 way players, and players that know their role is what Dallas is about. Most importantly, he wants to be the "Kidd" for the 2012 Knicks and beyond, he doesn't believe CP3 would make the team better. Adding players like KG, Ray Allen, and Duncan would improve the team more...
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7/1/2011  2:17 AM
I have to disagree with the idea that CP3 wouldn't improve the team. CP3 is exactly the kind of player that raises the level of play of his team and with 2 of the best scorers in the NBA playing off of him, CP3 would be a BEAST. You put CP3 in this system with our offensive players and a good defensive C and this team can win a title. I hate the idea of having to have so much of the cap in just 3 players, but they're the right 3 players. They fit perfectly in terms of their games matching well. We'll have shooters to space the floor CP3 to QB the team and STAT and Melo to score. It would be a tough team to deal with.

Depending upon who we can have at C, this team with CP3 would be a title contender IMO. I'm not saying that's the only way we get there, just that CP3 would be a good move.

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7/1/2011  11:53 AM
nixluva wrote:I have to disagree with the idea that CP3 wouldn't improve the team. CP3 is exactly the kind of player that raises the level of play of his team and with 2 of the best scorers in the NBA playing off of him, CP3 would be a BEAST. You put CP3 in this system with our offensive players and a good defensive C and this team can win a title. I hate the idea of having to have so much of the cap in just 3 players, but they're the right 3 players. They fit perfectly in terms of their games matching well. We'll have shooters to space the floor CP3 to QB the team and STAT and Melo to score. It would be a tough team to deal with.

Depending upon who we can have at C, this team with CP3 would be a title contender IMO. I'm not saying that's the only way we get there, just that CP3 would be a good move.

+1 to this. CP3 would be an ideal fit here. Sure, at some point we could add a KG or a Duncan as rentals for them to get us over the top. But we aren't about to build our team around aging former champions. They would be vet mins or MLE add-ons. What we really NEED now to get the most out of Stat and Melo is a play-maker like CP3. And it looks like that's exactly what we are going to get. Booya.

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7/1/2011  12:22 PM
Lets not get crazy. CP3 is the best PG in the league. He makes others better. He's the BEST. There is no scenario where he doesnt make this team much better, even with the same flaws.
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7/1/2011  12:48 PM
you guys are missing the point of the article.

He is saying...
Quality depth n cohesive team > 3 stars

in other words, spend the money elsewhere get more quality players.
Getting

Ray Allen
KG
Duncan

is better than getting Cp3 and minimum contracts after.

I am putting names out there, to illustrate a point, these guys are aged all stars that still got game but on its last leggs...
Don't think about names, I just want you guys to get a point, it could be

Deandre Jordan
Wilson Chandler
Mo Williams

but I think he is trying to say that he can play just like Kidd is playing, therefore he wants a decent contract more than the veteran minimum like his as well....

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7/1/2011  12:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2011  12:53 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Lets not get crazy. CP3 is the best PG in the league. He makes others better. He's the BEST. There is no scenario where he doesnt make this team much better, even with the same flaws.

I agree, CP3 isn't a ball hog and despite his scoring, he's still has a pass 1st mentality

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7/1/2011  1:13 PM
He is saying he can fit Kidd's role in New York.

I put big names out there to magnify his point.

Players like

Kaman
Camby
WIlson Chandler
Mo Williams
Duncan
Ray Allen
KG
Deandre Jordan
Gasol
Ibaka
Trevor Ariza *free agent 2013*

a combination of a couple of these players vs one max signing of Cp3 and minimum contracts.

I agree with Billups, however, I think, his main point is he wants to stay in New York at a way cheaper salary than Cp3 and to use the rest of the money to add quality players like what Dallas has. 1 year player are rentals, and will be looking to show their value of the game and creating stats for their future. Basketball is a team game, we don't want to sign any heroes. We want a cohesive unit, with one thing in common, trying to win, not players achieving personal goals/stats. Also if we get minimum contracts especially 1 year players, they are players that would have to learn how to play with the team. With Amare, Melo, TD, Shumpert, and whoever is on the team. It takes time before players develop for their own games/skills, then they have to learn how Amare + Melo likes it. After that they all have to learn and figure out how to play as a team. The roles and identity of each player and then the teams.

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7/1/2011  4:21 PM
Until we get past the 2012 opportunity to possibly land Deron or CP3 there's no way we settle on our roster. So it doesn't matter who we sign this year. The main focus is still on the possibility to land Deron or CP3.

As for team chemistry The BULK of the team is the same!!! We really aren't likely to change much in terms of key players. We're only talking about a few months versus the next 4 years or more so it's still worth it. The thing is that CP3 would provide instant chemistry, cuz he's that kind of floor leader. It's like popping Manning into your football team. He's not going to take long to figure everyone out and to get everyone the ball where they like it. He's that good. That's why you risk so much for the chance to get a CP3.

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7/1/2011  5:11 PM
The doomsday scenario with having CP3 and STAT is kinda scary though. Hopefully the new CBA has addressed the "big contract, big injury" dilemmas that occur - a la Allan Houston. Imagine having both CP3 and STAT being injured and those guys demanding half of the cap space.
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7/1/2011  5:38 PM
skeng wrote:The doomsday scenario with having CP3 and STAT is kinda scary though. Hopefully the new CBA has addressed the "big contract, big injury" dilemmas that occur - a la Allan Houston. Imagine having both CP3 and STAT being injured and those guys demanding half of the cap space.

You're right about the risk, but that's the boat we built so we can't go to sea worrying too much about what might happen. With proper conditioning and a little luck, we should be just fine. We will have enough depth at the 4 and the 1 to reduce their minutes if they are getting inflammation or other problems during the season. Hopefully our trainers will do an effective job at getting these guys slimmed down, stretched out and strong/limber. A little yoga goes a long way in preventing injuries.

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7/1/2011  5:52 PM
The crazy thing is that outside of the nightmarish doomsday scenario of losing both CP3 and STAT to injury, with 3 studs, you can easily survive the loss of one. It's not reasonable to worry about losing 2 of your top players to injury. That's just pessimistic Knicks fan talk. The thing is that if we were every fortunate enough to get CP3 this team would be an instant lock to be headed to the conf finals IMO.
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7/1/2011  6:19 PM
Just to make it clear, I would be all for going for CP3, and I actually prefer him over D-Will - I like CP3's demeanor much more than D-Will's. I'm just afraid of injuries biting our sweet delicious asses for the millionth time.
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7/1/2011  6:24 PM
And I actually have a bet with my friend, with me waging on CP3 being a Knick by the 2012-13 season. I mean, they were phuckin toasting that shiz, and now it looks like we're holding out for next year's free agency, oh and with a lot a dough. I mean, only way to stop it from happening is for the new CBA to phuck the cap up.
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7/1/2011  6:57 PM
Knick fans eating up the hope of the future!

Starphuch kool aide drinking MOFOS!

Nalod got a gin and tonic swirling in me brain en route to AllanFaned land..........

Gonna have another. Kids out, wife beckons..........Happy 4th y'all.

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7/1/2011  7:48 PM
Billups gets it. He sees the big picture, and has been there before. If he can hold up and is allowed to lead the Knicks will be in good shape. There are some great articles about his leadership.

O.J. Mayo says Chauncey Billups is the best leader in the NBA
Published: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:30 PM Updated: Wednesday, June 09, 2010, 3:17 PM
By Patrick Hayes MLive.com

AP PhotoChauncey Billups posts up Nuggets rookie point guard Ty Lawson.Not that Pistons fans need any reminder of the leadership void that occurred when Chauncey Billups was traded, but Billups' might just be the most respected player in the NBA, so says O.J. Mayo of the Grizzlies:


"Chauncey Billups, in my mind, is the best leader in our league," Mayo told the Memphis Commercial Appeal. "Chris Paul is a great point guard. Deron Williams is great. Rajon Rondo. But Chauncey Billups is by far the No. 1 leader in our league. Just being around him and seeing how he leads on and off the court was a big thing."

Billups' impact on the Nuggets last season is the best example of this. Tom Friend's profile on Chauncey for ESPN.com was one of the best things I read last year, and included this passage on Billups' impact on young Nuggets' stars Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith:


It has been a stunning transformation. And as the Nuggets enter the building, one by one, for their playoff opener against New Orleans, their two most talented, enigmatic players -- Anthony and Smith -- are dressed to kill. Anthony is wearing a grey pinstripe suit, and Smith is wearing black dress pants. Chauncey has made them pull up their britches.

"'Melo and J.R. have dressed up more this year than they ever have," team executive Rex Chapman says. "Not that that wins games for you, but Chauncey's taught them it's OK not to be on cool duty all the time."

Smith, in particular, tells people no one has ever influenced him more than Chauncey. On the court, Chauncey wants him talking on defense, and off the court, Chauncey wants him out of clubs. And Smith is all ears.

If more young players in the league start emulating Chauncey, it can't be a bad thing.

http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/10/oj_mayo_says_chauncey_billups.html

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7/2/2011  4:13 AM
I would be fine with taking Chauncey over CP3/Deron if we can get him at a reasonable salary. He is a proven leader and he's a winner, and a very capable point guard. He can also defend if he's not injured.

I don't like the idea of concentrating all our salary in 3 players, 2 of which play the same role (offensive 1 way players). At this point the team would be better off with spreading the remaining salary across 1 good player (chauncey) and 3-4 good role players IMHO. Chauncey could make 6-7 million. This would allow 9-10 million to be spread among the other role players.

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7/2/2011  12:02 PM
knickstorrents wrote:I would be fine with taking Chauncey over CP3/Deron if we can get him at a reasonable salary. He is a proven leader and he's a winner, and a very capable point guard. He can also defend if he's not injured.

I don't like the idea of concentrating all our salary in 3 players, 2 of which play the same role (offensive 1 way players). At this point the team would be better off with spreading the remaining salary across 1 good player (chauncey) and 3-4 good role players IMHO. Chauncey could make 6-7 million. This would allow 9-10 million to be spread among the other role players.


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7/2/2011  3:27 PM
We are totally taking away what Billups is trying to say and what we can learn of Dallas and their depth....


If TD and Shumpert show they are improving, I wouldn't mind signing back Billups as a mentor. If he shows he is not seriously injured from the injury and can still contribute and doesn't mind having a smaller role, why not sign him? I know Cp3 and Deron are better PG's than Billups at his stage now. However, I really don't think 3 stars with mainly minimum players can compete at a Championship contender. It's risky to put all your eggs in 3 players, especially when Cp3 and Amare have injury problems.

Whats the point of having Cp3, when his main job will be to pass the ball to Amare + Melo? We wouldn't have much depth after them if we sign Cp3. I just think we could have a better team if we spread the team and cap space up and fill our holes and add depth. We would have to wait for 2013 summer to get use the MLE for a center. Essentially we would have to waste Amare's 4 years as a Knicks, Melo's 3, Cp3's 1 year....

Only player that I think is a no brainer to add is Dwight Howard. He can play both ends and will address our Center hole. We would also have TD and Shumpert to play the PG/SG and back up PG. If we get Howard, I really can see players, especially towards the end of the careers signing at bargains to make one more shot to add a titles at bargain prices.

If we cant sign Howard, I believe adding Cp3 or even Deron, are

1) too risky to put all our basket on 3 players, 2 of with has injury problems and Cp3 and Amare both are somewhat undersized and games will change when their physical skills decline.
2) still need a starting caliber center, starting SG, and depth and back up players. Shumpert and Cp3 both aren't great shooters, Cp3 has improved his shot however, but it would take take away the advantage of Shumpert having an advantage over other PGs.
3) they would probably command a max contract, leaving little room to improve, no draft picks to use, unless they can lure players that would come in to take big cuts like how I think Dwight Howard would.

lets think of our scenarios

Dwight Howard signs

TD/Shumpert
LLE signing/Shumpert/TD
Melo/Shawne Williams?
Amare/Jorts
Dwight/Jerome Jordan/Jort

At the very least, we would have TD/Shumpert/Dwight Howard to be 3 lock down defenders to go with Melo/Amare...
Ray Allen
KG
players could come for the cheap.... even if they don't We should still be able to sign other players that would come for the cheap with fair skills.

I would love to add Trevor Ariza in 2013 summer. I think he would take us to the next level defensively with this team.

Shumpert/TD
Ariza
Melo
Amare
Dwight


===========================================================================================================================================================
Dwight signs somewhere else
Spread our cap up instead of signing Cp3 n Deron, we would have 15m to spend?

TD/Shumpert
SG /Shumpert/TD
Melo /Shawne WIlliams
Amare
C / Jerome Jordan

Billups
Ray Allen
KG
Wilson Chandler

I think we might be able to sign the 3 above


Tim Duncan
Matt Gasol
Kaman

From Billups down to Kaman
we can probably sign 2 of these players with that cap at fair rates, might be able to add 3, the older veterans that made money already might even take a pay cut.

Shumpert/TD
Wilson Chandler/TD/Shumpert
Melo/Shawne
Amare/Jorts
Duncan/Jerome Jordan

Shumpert/TD
Ray Allen/Shumpert/TD
Melo/Shawne
Amare/KG
Jerome Jordan/KG/Jorts


=====================================================================================================================================================================

If we sign Cp3/Deron

Cp3 or Deron /TD
Shumpert
Melo /Shawne Williams
Amare/Jorts
Jerome Jordan/ Jorts

if its Deron, I don't think its that bad. Cp3's injury is a great risk and he is a size disadvantage no matter how u look at it. Deron is also a better shooter and better defender.
I think we would still need to add a better center. Trevor Ariza is a FA 2013 summer, he is one player I think would make us a superb defensive team. However, we probably would need to add a center with the MLE 2013 if we go this route.

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