AnubisADL wrote:If Vucevic equals Marc Gasol based on measurements and skill then Jeremy Tyler is Dwight Howard based on measurements and skills.

here's the 1 thing with Tyler though: if he so good, for a big, athletic dude, why does he not project higher?

All he has to do is have some fantastic workouts. Even Biyombo failed in a 1 on none workout last week and is still projected in lottery.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:If Vucevic equals Marc Gasol based on measurements and skill then Jeremy Tyler is Dwight Howard based on measurements and skills.

here's the 1 thing with Tyler though: if he so good, for a big, athletic dude, why does he not project higher?

All he has to do is have some fantastic workouts. Even Biyombo failed in a 1 on none workout last week and is still projected in lottery.

Same reason Flynn and Rubio were drafted ahead of Jennings. If scouts don't see you play then you drop.

RonRon wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Arhp2WuSwAv0BZaZVYKxR.G8vLYF?slug=ycn-8674693

imagine if Brooks, Vucevic, gone? Tyler isn't even top 30 according to this mock, can he become a bust or lesser rotational player?

Shumpert is the other athlete monster to decide from Tyler. Think he would be my pick if Vucevic is gone...

Jennings wasn't mocked in lottery last year either. Jeremy Tyler isn't falling out of the first round.

AnubisADL wrote:

RonRon wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Arhp2WuSwAv0BZaZVYKxR.G8vLYF?slug=ycn-8674693

imagine if Brooks, Vucevic, gone? Tyler isn't even top 30 according to this mock, can he become a bust or lesser rotational player?

Shumpert is the other athlete monster to decide from Tyler. Think he would be my pick if Vucevic is gone...

Jennings wasn't mocked in lottery last year either. Jeremy Tyler isn't falling out of the first round.

teens in a PG heavy draft. Tyler mocked in second round with almost zero big men.

crzymdups wrote:I think Tyler is the risky pick - and Vucevic is the safe pick. Sometimes the safe pick works in the draft, sometimes the risky pick works.

It's seeming more and more like the Knicks will play it safe. Kind of makes sense. Not saying it's the best way to play it. I have mixed feelings with so much talent and potential on the board... though i do like Vucevic. I'd be happy with him.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

RonRon wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Arhp2WuSwAv0BZaZVYKxR.G8vLYF?slug=ycn-8674693

imagine if Brooks, Vucevic, gone? Tyler isn't even top 30 according to this mock, can he become a bust or lesser rotational player?

Shumpert is the other athlete monster to decide from Tyler. Think he would be my pick if Vucevic is gone...

Jennings wasn't mocked in lottery last year either. Jeremy Tyler isn't falling out of the first round.

teens in a PG heavy draft. Tyler mocked in second round with almost zero big men.

“He’s not going to be a first-round pick,” NBA Scouting Director Ryan Blake said this week. “There is a risk factor.”

On the other hand, Blake said, “Some general managers may have done more homework and may have a better feeling.”

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--Tyler made national headlines in April 2009 when he announced he would turn pro overseas. His goal then was to ready himself for the June 2011 NBA draft, the first time he would be eligible to join the NBA, according to league rules. The plan was for Tyler’s older brother James Tyler Jr. to move with him overseas and help support his international transition.

But that changed after July 2009, when James Tyler Jr., then 19, had a criminal charge filed against him in San Diego County. It stemmed from an incident in December 2008, when two teens were fatally shot as they walked home from the party. Authorities said three carloads of suspected gang members crashed a party and waved or pointed guns at the guests, including James Tyler Jr., who pleaded guilty to assault earlier this year and was placed on probation. The convicted killer, Frederick Garcia Cruz, was sentenced in March to 50 years to life in prison.

--Jeremy Tyler’s first year overseas ended up being fraught with perceived attitude problems after his family didn’t move with him as planned. He signed a $140,000 contract with Maccabi Haifa in Israel but quit the team in March 2010 after struggling to relate to the team and the culture. He played just 7.6 minutes per game in 10 games.

“I think he is misunderstood because of his youth and many of the experiences he has had so far in his young life,” Hill said.

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In recent weeks, he interviewed “extremely well” with NBA teams “and got a lot of individual workouts because of it,” Blake said.

Tyler referred questions from the Union-Tribune to his agent, who didn’t return calls.

“We still don’t know a lot about him,” Blake said.

Source: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/jun/21/after-everything-jeremy-tyler-still-bound-nba/

No mention of individual workouts anywhere else but this is straight from an NBA scouts mouth.

Vucevic is a known commodity. He played well in college. You can't sneeze at 17/10. He's not raw. He skilled and very low risk. He doesn't have more raw talent than Tyler, but you know what you have with Vucevic and there's something to be said for that. I'd have no problem with Tyler, but i'd understand if they didn't want to risk a long term project. Tyler isn't in NBA shape and is gonna have to really dedicate himself to a real conditioning program, cuz he's soft and doesn't have great cardio right now. A GM has to wonder if that's just circumstantial or a sign that he could be headed for Eddy Curry status. It's not a cut and dry decision.