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misterearl
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6/21/2011  10:40 AM
"Any deal to move up in the draft would effectively cost them two players — either Fields or Douglas, plus the 17th pick — which would further weaken their depth."

- NYT

Yoots that are keepers - Fields, Douglas, Shawne Williams, Derick Brown

Stars approaching 30 by the time Garden renovations are complete and tickets are through the new roof - Amare and Carmelo

That makes Six.

SIX.

The Question Marks - Jerome Jordan, Andy Rautins

No Country for Old Men - Chauncey Billups (73 year old knees), Turiaf (67 year old body parts), Anthony Carter (playground concrete does not give)

Just Filler (artificial ingredients) - Shelden Williams, Jared Jeffries, Roger Mason, Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker

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6/21/2011  10:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2011  10:44 AM
misterearl wrote:"Any deal to move up in the draft would effectively cost them two players — either Fields or Douglas, plus the 17th pick — which would further weaken their depth."

- NYT

Yoots that are keepers - Fields, Douglas, Shawne Williams, Derick Brown

Stars approaching 30 by the time Garden renovations are complete and tickets are through the new roof - Amare and Carmelo

That makes Six.

SIX.

The Question Marks - Jerome Jordan, Andy Rautins

No Country for Old Men - Chauncey Billups (73 year old knees), Turiaf (67 year old body parts), Anthony Carter (playground concrete does not give)

Just Filler (artificial ingredients) - Shelden Williams, Jared Jeffries, Roger Mason, Renaldo Balkman, Bill Walker

Fixed.
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6/21/2011  10:48 AM
Fix yourself, TD is a definite keeper, even though you judge him on one mixed season where he struggled all year with a shoulder injury...
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6/21/2011  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2011  10:51 AM
Moonangie.

If your opinion is accurate, that cuts the Knicks quality depth to just five players.

The first round draft pick must be a player who can step into the rotation and play effective basketball in the fourth quarter.

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6/21/2011  10:54 AM
Why sad? We've been down for a decade, another year wont hurt. Besides, we made some progress last year and I think we only get better with a full season of melo and Stat together.

If we can land Thompson by moving Douglas and 17, then you have to do it, especially if we can still buy a late pick and grab Morris. But with that said, we dont have to move up, just buy another pick and add two quality rotational players. Morris and Brooks are my top two at 17 and perhaps the early 20's.
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6/21/2011  11:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2011  11:23 AM
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Uptown - we made some progress in the television ratings but also took a step back in the thing that made Dallas a Champion. Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Once the suits get the new players in place, they gotta keep 'em together and allow them to build solid relationships to endure the tough times, media scrutiny and West Coast road trips.

Many people point to buying draft picks as if NBA General Managers are Sam Walton and eager to sell them. They are not.

Draft picks are valuable in an uncertain financial market. Quality rotation players are not on a deep discounted sale.

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6/21/2011  11:25 AM
I love Douglas, but he is hardly a keeper. He is a great player to have in your bench but ONLY if you already have a balanced bench with a backup PG. We have many needs and if one of those can be filled by trading him, we have to make the move. But if we can get a starting C, starting SG, and backup PG without giving him up, Im ALL FOR IT!
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6/21/2011  12:00 PM
misterearl wrote:Mojo

Uptown - we made some progress in the television ratings but also took a step back in the thing that made Dallas a Champion. Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Once the suits get the new players in place, they gotta keep 'em together and allow them to build solid relationships to endure the tough times, media scrutiny and West Coast road trips.

Many people point to buying draft picks as if NBA General Managers are Sam Walton and eager to sell them. They are not.

Draft picks are valuable in an uncertain financial market. Quality rotation players are not on a deep discounted sale.

The Hornets have great chemistry aswell but that aint winning a Chip no time soon. Chemistry is great, but you need TALENT, as you said. The Melo trade, I believe, pushed us closer to competing for a 'Chip so long as we add more depth which can put us in position in a another couple of years.

The only reason I bring up buying a late pick is because a few of them seem to be available according to a few reliable reporters. I'm not just pulling s### out of my "you know what" throwing it against the wall and hoping it sticks.
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6/21/2011  12:16 PM
Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Uptown - the problem is that reporters know only a fraction more than the average bear. You probably know more than most of them combined. I do not put any trust in what they say. They are rumor mongers. The only thing I believe are direct quotes and those are missing in action. Late picks are the biggest crap shoot of all.

Pray for a solid pick at 17 and hope the NYK scouting department uncovers a Summer League gem in the Las Vegas desert.

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6/21/2011  12:19 PM
misterearl wrote:Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Uptown - the problem is that reporters know only a fraction more than the average bear. You probably know more than most of them combined. I do not put any trust in what they say. They are rumor mongers. The only thing I believe are direct quotes and those are missing in action. Late picks are the biggest crap shoot of all.

Pray for a solid pick at 17 and hope the NYK scouting department uncovers a Summer League gem in the Las Vegas desert.

i hate to break it you, but the Vegas Summer League has been canceled. hurts, i know...

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6/21/2011  12:34 PM
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Uptown - the problem is that reporters know only a fraction more than the average bear. You probably know more than most of them combined. I do not put any trust in what they say. They are rumor mongers. The only thing I believe are direct quotes and those are missing in action. Late picks are the biggest crap shoot of all.

Pray for a solid pick at 17 and hope the NYK scouting department uncovers a Summer League gem in the Las Vegas desert.

i hate to break it you, but the Vegas Summer League has been canceled. hurts, i know...

Oh SNAP! When did THAT happen?

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6/21/2011  12:40 PM
misterearl wrote:
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Uptown - the problem is that reporters know only a fraction more than the average bear. You probably know more than most of them combined. I do not put any trust in what they say. They are rumor mongers. The only thing I believe are direct quotes and those are missing in action. Late picks are the biggest crap shoot of all.

Pray for a solid pick at 17 and hope the NYK scouting department uncovers a Summer League gem in the Las Vegas desert.

i hate to break it you, but the Vegas Summer League has been canceled. hurts, i know...

Oh SNAP! When did THAT happen?

hahn announced it last week or so. due to the looming lockout.

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6/21/2011  12:51 PM
This draft is essential to adding depth quicker. We have a good opportunity to do that on thrsday and speed up the process.
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6/21/2011  1:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2011  1:02 PM
FrenchKnicks wrote:Fix yourself, TD is a definite keeper, even though you judge him on one mixed season where he struggled all year with a shoulder injury...

As I have said repeatedly, I like some aspects of his game (mainly defense). But he is a liability in his current role (backup PG) and is far too inconsistent in his shooting to be a starting 2. I don't see either of these shortcomings getting resolved by healing his shoulder injury, but time will tell. I could be wrong about him and will gladly embrace his new role once he establishes one. For now, I'd rather use him as a trade chip and get some reliability in our backup PG or starting 2 guard.
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6/21/2011  1:09 PM
eViL wrote:
misterearl wrote:Chemistry + talent (quality depth) + trust = winning.

Uptown - the problem is that reporters know only a fraction more than the average bear. You probably know more than most of them combined. I do not put any trust in what they say. They are rumor mongers. The only thing I believe are direct quotes and those are missing in action. Late picks are the biggest crap shoot of all.

Pray for a solid pick at 17 and hope the NYK scouting department uncovers a Summer League gem in the Las Vegas desert.

i hate to break it you, but the Vegas Summer League has been canceled. hurts, i know...

There goes our summer league championship.

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6/21/2011  1:14 PM
For the price we're paying for TD (avg 2mm/year for next 3 years), I think he's fine where he is on our team. He is a good defender, and has killer instinct, and shoots and penetrates OK. He averaged 1 steal/game, shot 38% from 3, 80% FT. He's a good cog on a rookie contract.
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6/21/2011  2:05 PM
I don't want to move up the draft unless its for a big. Fields is the only one I would not offer if there were someone really worth trading for and I haven't heard anyone offer a scenario where we would be getting someone worth the effort. So I guess I'd rather stand pat or trade down for more picks.
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6/21/2011  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2011  3:02 PM
The only dnagerous guy the Knicks have to give you minutes off the bench everyone wants to include him in a trade...Guys we have no one on the bench...Zero..TD had a tough first round asking him to play out of position in a big series..He can come back from that..He is very affordable and can give you a good 20 mins most nights..Trade him and we have zero and a wish in a draft pick...It's should be about adding quality defensive pieces around two studs..Not trying to trade for one demensional three point shooters and scorers..U guys might have missed the defense being played by eastern conference teams in the playoffs, I didn't..
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6/21/2011  2:58 PM
The Knicks don't have to make any special deals that send away talent in order to get something out of this draft. I'm confident that they'll just buy a pick or two and be content with that. There's always a team out there that wants to sell a pick.

It's not gonna take that long to replenish the bench IMO. We've got a few guys and only need to add about 3-4 good role players to get back to a good supporting cast. The key is cheap young players with high BBIQ and maturity. You want a team full of Landry Fields types.
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6/21/2011  3:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2011  4:04 PM
nixluva - the picture you are painting is neither realistic or based in an honest critique of current talent on the NYK.

In addition, I cannot think of a single NBA team that has purchased multiple draft picks in the last decade. Given the current economy, general managers are more accountable than ever for salary and value.

Without the orange tinted shades, lets walk through the roster together as brothers:

Fields, Douglas, Shawne Williams, Derick Brown, Amare and Carmelo are the core talent... and Derrick Brown is a question mark. The good news is that he is 6'9 and has NBA experience, however limited. But he is a yoot and we dig yoots.

That makes Six.

SIX.

Jerome Jordan has been in Europe and is currently injured. Last time we saw Andy Rautins he could not dribble a basketball in the NBA.

It is a stone cold fact that Chauncey Billups is too damn old to hold up over the 100 games on the way to the playoffs... and Ronny Turiaf, bless him, is an injury waiting to happen - only good for 11 minutes a night on a good day. Anthony Carter will make a great assistant coach.

The rest are suspect: Shelden Williams is nothing special in ANY category of production. Ditto Jared Jeffries. Roger Mason, Renaldo Balkman and Bill Walker should learn a musical instrument.

We start with six Knicks and need another (minimally) 5 to 9 serious basketball players (including three centers) to not just fill, but COMPLETE, the roster

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