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6/15/2011  2:24 PM

14 - Houston - Nikola Vucevic

Analysis: Could Vucevic really go this high? That's the word among a number of NBA GMs who are raving about his workouts. Some have argued that the differences between him and Enes Kanter are very slim.

With the Rockets in desperate need of some size in the paint, Vucevic could be the answer. He's not the world's greatest athlete, but he is skilled, has an NBA body and is ready to play now.

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17 - Knicks - Marshon Brooks

Analysis: The Knicks are really hoping that either Klay Thompson or Jimmer Fredette fall to them. But if they don't, watch out for Brooks. He had a great workout in New York, has the sort of swagger that Knicks guards need and the Knicks were wowed by his ability to pass the ball too.

Brooks, at 22, doesn't have the upside of a guy like Josh Selby, but his size advantage is big and so is his ability to step in and play right away.

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25 - Boston - Jeremy Tyler

Analysis: The Celtics are going to start rebuilding soon and they need to hit a home run again the same way they did with Rajon Rondo. Tyler could be that guy. If he had played in college, he might have had a chance to be a top-10 pick with his talent.

He's long, athletic and raw, but if he succeeds, he could be a major pickup for the Celtics. JaJuan Johnson, Justin Harper and Jon Leuer are also possibilities.


Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-110615

Why do the Knicks always want player that they are too low to draft?

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6/15/2011  2:26 PM
They aren't too low to draft when we started wanting these players... early on Stephen Curry was projected at 14th overall when we had the 7th pick.
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6/15/2011  2:28 PM
would not surprise me to see the knx go for tyler -he'd be surrounded by stat and billups who might just help him grow up
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6/15/2011  2:35 PM
AnubisADL wrote:

14 - Houston - Nikola Vucevic

Analysis: Could Vucevic really go this high? That's the word among a number of NBA GMs who are raving about his workouts. Some have argued that the differences between him and Enes Kanter are very slim.

With the Rockets in desperate need of some size in the paint, Vucevic could be the answer. He's not the world's greatest athlete, but he is skilled, has an NBA body and is ready to play now.

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17 - Knicks - Marshon Brooks

Analysis: The Knicks are really hoping that either Klay Thompson or Jimmer Fredette fall to them. But if they don't, watch out for Brooks. He had a great workout in New York, has the sort of swagger that Knicks guards need and the Knicks were wowed by his ability to pass the ball too.

Brooks, at 22, doesn't have the upside of a guy like Josh Selby, but his size advantage is big and so is his ability to step in and play right away.

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25 - Boston - Jeremy Tyler

Analysis: The Celtics are going to start rebuilding soon and they need to hit a home run again the same way they did with Rajon Rondo. Tyler could be that guy. If he had played in college, he might have had a chance to be a top-10 pick with his talent.

He's long, athletic and raw, but if he succeeds, he could be a major pickup for the Celtics. JaJuan Johnson, Justin Harper and Jon Leuer are also possibilities.


Source: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-110615

Why do the Knicks always want player that they are too low to draft?


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6/15/2011  2:36 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:They aren't too low to draft when we started wanting these players... early on Stephen Curry was projected at 14th overall when we had the 7th pick.

Jimmer and Thompson most likely arent slipping to 17. Players who can shoot well come at a premium in the NBA.

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6/15/2011  5:26 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:They aren't too low to draft when we started wanting these players... early on Stephen Curry was projected at 14th overall when we had the 7th pick.

Jimmer and Thompson most likely arent slipping to 17. Players who can shoot well come at a premium in the NBA.

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6/16/2011  12:58 AM
DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

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6/16/2011  1:21 AM
martin wrote:DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

Thx for the link. We gotta buy that Bulls pick #30. Sounds like they don't want it and they can make some money off of it. There will be so many players left going into the 2nd rd. I think this is gonna go down as one of the most underrated drafts. There's no Blake Griffin or John Wall, but there are some kids that can fill roles definitively.

After their Mock 1st rd. all of these players are left: Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

Don't think some of those guys couldn't help the Knicks????

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6/16/2011  9:42 AM
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

Thx for the link. We gotta buy that Bulls pick #30. Sounds like they don't want it and they can make some money off of it. There will be so many players left going into the 2nd rd. I think this is gonna go down as one of the most underrated drafts. There's no Blake Griffin or John Wall, but there are some kids that can fill roles definitively.

After their Mock 1st rd. all of these players are left: Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

Don't think some of those guys couldn't help the Knicks????

A few second round picks will serve us well. No issues with the guaranteed contract for the 1st rounder.

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6/16/2011  10:09 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

Thx for the link. We gotta buy that Bulls pick #30. Sounds like they don't want it and they can make some money off of it. There will be so many players left going into the 2nd rd. I think this is gonna go down as one of the most underrated drafts. There's no Blake Griffin or John Wall, but there are some kids that can fill roles definitively.

After their Mock 1st rd. all of these players are left: Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

Don't think some of those guys couldn't help the Knicks????

A few second round picks will serve us well. No issues with the guaranteed contract for the 1st rounder.

for the Knicks, I would keep an eye on Malcomn Lee as a long term PG prospect in a combo guard type of selection. Would love this guy as another guard off the bench taken in the second round. Been reading how he is holding his own against workout sessions involving Kemba, Jimmer.

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6/16/2011  10:47 AM
Really nice find Martin! Malcolm Lee has excellent size for the PG position (though draftexpress has him down as an SG, his interview states he seems himself as a 1). The videos show him doing 3 on 3 and he did some pick and roll plays and passed the ball decently.
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6/16/2011  12:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2011  12:26 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Really nice find Martin! Malcolm Lee has excellent size for the PG position (though draftexpress has him down as an SG, his interview states he seems himself as a 1). The videos show him doing 3 on 3 and he did some pick and roll plays and passed the ball decently.

Just because he is coming out of UCLA we have to take a look at picking him up. That system just doesn't make PG's look that great (e.g. Collison and that Phili guy ;-) With how this team is structured, a real floor general with size is going to really help us as a pg with size (or one that can penetrate quickly e.g. Selby) is going to create havoc considering Melo and Stat will get the ball in a nice position.

I'm sure management is looking at fit high up on their list as where we are picking the players are seemingly on the same level (for the most part.) Many have said there is not a lot of disparity from pick 10 to 20 or so. We'll see how the draft unfolds. Can't wait, only one more week. And then probably a loooong lockout.

edit - From draft express

One of the more interesting early entry candidates in this year's draft class among the combo guard prospects, Malcolm Lee showed some promising signs in Las Vegas for a player who had only been cleared to play a few days before we saw due to a minor knee surgery.

The first thing that jumped out to us was how much smoother his shooting mechanics appeared to be. He's not pulling the ball back as far before his release as he did as a Bruin and looked extremely confident from the perimeter in the sessions we watched. He's made significant progress in his shooting mechanics since arriving at UCLA, and has been focusing on maximizing his ability to create shots off the dribble at Impact as you'll see in his workout video.

In one session, we got to see Lee work out with Kawhi Leonard and Alec Burks under the tutelage of Chauncey Billups. Of the three prospects involved, Lee had the most impressive footwork. He's still improving the consistency of his shot, but he looked comfortable staying on balance and knocking down his jumpers while fine-tuning the aggressive scoring moves Billups implemented in drills. His recent surgery didn't seem to be hindering him either, as he was finishing comfortably above the rim when the drills called for him to explode to the basket.

In three-on-three play, Lee teamed with Ibrahima Thomas of Cincinnati and Jon Diebler to form the most imposing unit in the games we watched. Playing with a clear strategy, Lee looked comfortable using the pick and roll to create off the dribble and made the smart play when he couldn't get his own shot off, finding Thomas under the rim on a number of occasions and setting Diebler up for catch-and-shoot jumpers from the wing. When he looked for his shot, Lee did a nice job taking what the defense gave him, but didn't take too many jumpers because of the “one shot and out” rule the games were restricted by.

Though Lee was not overly productive in his there seasons at UCLA, it was hard not to be impressed by what he showed working out with two projected lottery picks. He did not appear out of place at all and it will be worth keeping an eye out for how he shoots the ball in private workouts. Considering the success of UCLA guards in the NBA recently, Lee is definitely a name to keep an eye on as we move towards draft day.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malcolm-Lee-1355/#ixzz1PSOZ8LLs
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6/16/2011  12:29 PM
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

Thx for the link. We gotta buy that Bulls pick #30. Sounds like they don't want it and they can make some money off of it. There will be so many players left going into the 2nd rd. I think this is gonna go down as one of the most underrated drafts. There's no Blake Griffin or John Wall, but there are some kids that can fill roles definitively.

After their Mock 1st rd. all of these players are left: Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

Don't think some of those guys couldn't help the Knicks????

If we could somehow snag Darius Morris in the second round, I would do back flips.

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6/16/2011  1:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2011  1:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

Thx for the link. We gotta buy that Bulls pick #30. Sounds like they don't want it and they can make some money off of it. There will be so many players left going into the 2nd rd. I think this is gonna go down as one of the most underrated drafts. There's no Blake Griffin or John Wall, but there are some kids that can fill roles definitively.

After their Mock 1st rd. all of these players are left: Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

Don't think some of those guys couldn't help the Knicks????

If we could somehow snag Darius Morris in the second round, I would do back flips.

We should try to buy a late first rounder and use it on either Morris or Selby (if either are still on the board)? I hope our draft focuses on an outside shooter and a backup PG. We can then try to land Sammy D. or another big to shore up our interior defense/rebounding. I really hope Jordan pans out this season as that would greatly impact our 2012 plans.

Go Donnie! Make us all rejoice next week.

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6/16/2011  2:55 PM
The way I see it, we have the following roster:

PG Billups
SF Fields
SF Melo
PF Stat
PF Turiaf


Potential Bench:
SG Toney Douglas
SG Andy Rautins
C Jerome Jordan
SF Bill Walker
SF Shawne Williams
SF Renaldo Balkman
SF Derrick Brown(?)

I would say that Center is the most glaring need. 1st choice is Vucevic. 2nd is Biyombo (but only if D'antoni agrees to play him). Of course if Montajiunas slips, that is fine too. Not interested in Faried this year. If these guys aren't available, I would look for either a PG or SG. Getting a center that D'antoni won't play doesn't help.

Real question is if you are advocating selecting Klay Thompson or Marshon Brooks, what is your plan for Fields?

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6/16/2011  3:15 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Really nice find Martin! Malcolm Lee has excellent size for the PG position (though draftexpress has him down as an SG, his interview states he seems himself as a 1). The videos show him doing 3 on 3 and he did some pick and roll plays and passed the ball decently.

Just because he is coming out of UCLA we have to take a look at picking him up. That system just doesn't make PG's look that great (e.g. Collison and that Phili guy ;-) With how this team is structured, a real floor general with size is going to really help us as a pg with size (or one that can penetrate quickly e.g. Selby) is going to create havoc considering Melo and Stat will get the ball in a nice position.

I'm sure management is looking at fit high up on their list as where we are picking the players are seemingly on the same level (for the most part.) Many have said there is not a lot of disparity from pick 10 to 20 or so. We'll see how the draft unfolds. Can't wait, only one more week. And then probably a loooong lockout.

You're right about that. Jrue Holiday, Collison, Trevor Ariza, Luc Mbaha Moute etc. They are all players whose games appeared to have been hampered by UCLA's system. I'm surprised Ben Howland managed to get the type of run and gun players that he has in the past. That said, Malcolm Lee was a top prospect in his class and a lot of gurus thought he'd be one and done. He intrigues me. His decision making needs work tho. He might be more of Larry Hughes (I'm talking Hughes with the Wizards) type than a pure point.

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Moonangie wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:DX updated theirs yesterday and posted with lots of write-up on Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnxCC2ALYm2mmcJI41dlW28vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

Thx for the link. We gotta buy that Bulls pick #30. Sounds like they don't want it and they can make some money off of it. There will be so many players left going into the 2nd rd. I think this is gonna go down as one of the most underrated drafts. There's no Blake Griffin or John Wall, but there are some kids that can fill roles definitively.

After their Mock 1st rd. all of these players are left: Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

Don't think some of those guys couldn't help the Knicks????

If we could somehow snag Darius Morris in the second round, I would do back flips.

We should try to buy a late first rounder and use it on either Morris or Selby (if either are still on the board)? I hope our draft focuses on an outside shooter and a backup PG. We can then try to land Sammy D. or another big to shore up our interior defense/rebounding. I really hope Jordan pans out this season as that would greatly impact our 2012 plans.

Go Donnie! Make us all rejoice next week.


I agree Samuel Dalembert is possibly the best center that we can target for free agency. He is a center that can run up and down, long, lanky, and athletic. Would be a huge upgrade and will help our rebounding, defensive presence, shot blocking, and team defense. However, we won't be the only team targeting him. Every team especially playoff contenders can use his talents and if the CBA still has the MLE. Now for Sammmies perspective, it would be for 2 reason. Money and a Championship opportunity. While I would love to add him, we just cant say he is a player that will sign with us. Would he go to a team that would offer him more money or the best chance at a ring? Or somewhat in between?
Literally almost EVERY team could use him....


Boston
Heat
Bulls
OKC
Orlando
Knicks

With this same theory, with the big free agents of 2012 being PG's and Dwight Howard.
Because Chris Paul and Deron Williams will be free agents, are we not going to draft a PG because we assume we are getting one in 2012?


Chris Kaman
Duncan

Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Mo Williams
Steve Nash

Ray Allen? not sure about the extension....
KG

These are just a couple of free agents of the top of my head that we can go after, quantity or going all in with one FA?

My point is, I don't think it is wise saying we will sign Sammy Dalembert, therefore we should fill our other holes. Yes, if Sammy does sign with us, it would be great, but we need more than 1 body anyway. Centers don't come cheap, teams don't trade them away. Look at McGee, Hibbert, Lopez, and even Bynum. We had the opportunity to draft these players, knowing every year it was our greatest need but we didn't. Now teams will laugh at us if we wanted to trade for these players. I would love to add a center in this draft, in fact I don't mind even adding 2. I would be opposed to adding 2 guards though, of course if we somehow did get Dalembert in FA, it wouldn't be that bad though.

I still look forward to getting a player like Sean Williams in the D League. Signing Jordan and let him develop in D league for a little and bring him in for some practice and experience a little later.

in my opinion SG/SF, are the easiest spots to fill in FA. I think we should sign players that can play both ends to guard Wade, Lebron, and even Pierce, Rose, and Wall.

Nikola Vucevic is a player that would be able to come in and contribute right away. However, he isn't the center with the athleticism, shot blocking, and defense that we are need.
He is a high BBALL iq player, a dantoni center, and looks like he can play inside out. I would love to draft him with the 17th pick and seek shot blocking defense in FA, another pick, and D league. With the addition or Jordan....

Jeremy Tyler
Darius Morris
Marshon Brooks
Josh Selby
Bismack Biyombo
Iman Shumpert

if we buy a lower first round /highsecond round pick
Lucas Nougeira
JaJuan Johnson
Iman Shumpert
Josh Selby
Keith Benson
Reggie Jackson
Nolan Smith
Charles Jenkins

I don't really see why the Bulls would look to give up both of their picks, especially if these are such great role players we can use, so can they. If I were the Bulls I would probably look to trade one for a more proven player and drafting 1 PF/C. I think the only player they may want on our roster is TD. I would love to add both picks or even just one for a combination of Fields, Walker. I am not sure if they would give us both picks for all 3 players. I think they can use TD and would look to add another best player left at PF/C.
I am not sure if I would give up on TD that early, I really would like to see him develop. He might never be a PG that can distribute but he can be a great backup 6th man type player that can hit 3s and hawk the opposing PGs.

If they want TD/Fields for one pick, should we bite?

For the Knicks, I think we should draft a Center with the 17th pick. However, what if Biyombo falls, which he really might and Vucevic is drafted.
Would you guys prefer Biyombo or Jeremy Tyler?

Rate if they were all on board

Vucevic
Jeremy Tyler
Biyombo

reason I would draft a center with the 17 pick first is because if we do acquire another pick, there seems to be a lot of PG's left
Shumpert
Morris
Jenkins
Nolan Smith
Reggie Jackson

dont think Marshon Brooks and Shelby will be there at the Bulls pick though.

I don't mind drafting 2 centers though

Jeremy Tyler
Lucas Nougeira
Benson
JuJuan Johnson (he has a ugly looking shot but it goes in, I am not sure about drafting him and Vucevic together though. Maybe Tyler and Johnson....

I wouldn't be opposed with drafting a guard first then a center if either, even though I think there are more PG's and Combo Guards that will fall to 30th+

Vucevic
Shumpert
Tyler

Vucevic
Jenkins
Nougeira

Jeremy Tyler
Jujuan Johnson
Darius Morris

Shumpert
Darius Morris
Jeremy Tyler


there are a couple of nice combinations I think we can get if we had 3 picks. I don't think we have enough to trade for both of the Bulls picks though.
I can see the Bulls looking to add Sessions and one of Cleveland's big men with their pick/picks.

In the end, I trust Donnie and we have to put faith in him. I hope he will have influence over the next GM and let him try to fix what Dolan messed up...

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6/16/2011  3:34 PM
I dont see Jeremy Tyler falling to the 2nd round especially when teams in the late 20's are looking for size.

I see some solid guard prospects slipping but the problem is we dont have a 2nd round pick.

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I agree Samuel Dalembert is possibly the best center that we can target for free agency. He is a center that can run up and down, long, lanky, and athletic. Would be a huge upgrade and will help our rebounding, defensive presence, shot blocking, and team defense. However, we won't be the only team targeting him. Every team especially playoff contenders can use his talents and if the CBA still has the MLE. Now for Sammmies perspective, it would be for 2 reason. Money and a Championship opportunity. While I would love to add him, we just cant say he is a player that will sign with us. Would he go to a team that would offer him more money or the best chance at a ring? Or somewhat in between?
Literally almost EVERY team could use him....


Boston
Heat
Bulls
OKC
Orlando
Knicks

I agree that it's far from certain Sammy would sign here, but he's not going to get the opportunity to start in Chicago, OKC, or Orlando.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the MLE sticks around in the new CBA, Sammy would be a nice fit here if we can get it done.

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RonRon wrote:
I agree Samuel Dalembert is possibly the best center that we can target for free agency. He is a center that can run up and down, long, lanky, and athletic. Would be a huge upgrade and will help our rebounding, defensive presence, shot blocking, and team defense. However, we won't be the only team targeting him. Every team especially playoff contenders can use his talents and if the CBA still has the MLE. Now for Sammmies perspective, it would be for 2 reason. Money and a Championship opportunity. While I would love to add him, we just cant say he is a player that will sign with us. Would he go to a team that would offer him more money or the best chance at a ring? Or somewhat in between?
Literally almost EVERY team could use him....


Boston
Heat
Bulls
OKC
Orlando
Knicks

I agree that it's far from certain Sammy would sign here, but he's not going to get the opportunity to start in Chicago, OKC, or Orlando.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the MLE sticks around in the new CBA, Sammy would be a nice fit here if we can get it done.

Miami Heat are already targeting Dalemabert as their "Tyson Chandler"

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