earthmansurfer wrote:That is really good news, we are already short bodies and couldn't handle another exit.

Hope we pick up 3 more bodies in this draft.

Papabear Says

Don't worry he will have all of next season to heal because there won't be any basketball.

It's a bit naive to think this will make a difference, but the NBA is back in a big way. Everyone involved would be so foolish to let a lockout last to a point where games are cancelled.

For the Knicks, a lockout would be a disaster. Guys need as much burn as possible leading up to the season to learn D'Antoni and each other.

nixluva wrote:I don't believe the owners are losing money. I don't trust them anymore than I do the NFL owners. The Knicks aren't a great example cuz of our market, but they made over 400 Mil in profit. The owners are their own worst enemies, not the players. It's the owners who give out these huge contracts to guys that don't deserve them. But more than that, the moves they've made over the years have already limited the amount of money teams pay out. Now the system is in it's own way setup with welfare for bad teams, cuz the teams over the cap pay a penalty. You can't tell me the NBA store isn't making money hand over fist.

NBA licensing must be thru the roof. They set viewer records this year and had a great post season this year in terms of number of games. The owners forced the players into the system they have now and it was supposed to solve the problems with revenue for the owners. I don't like how the owners want to make sure they have 100% cost assurance by artificially limited what the players can make with a hard cap. The owners don't have a hard cap on how much money they can make!

NBA Store on 5th Ave closed down. And the owners from what I hear opened up their books and many teams are indeed losing money. NFL teams are definitely not losing money.

However, the NBAs problem is their own doing. Here's a good read about it by Simmons:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6649101/dizzying-highs-terrifying-lows

nixluva wrote:Still don't believe the owners lost money. Not in the way they're putting it. For one thing an NBA Store closing in Manhattan doesn't mean that on the whole fans don't still buy NBA gear. They just might have switched to buying online or at other stores. 2nd, Dolan didn't lose money, neither have the other 13 teams in the playoffs. SOME owners lost money or didn't make as much profit as they may have wanted. The owners are always coming to the players to save them from themselves. It's not the players fault it's the owners and bad GM work that is at fault. The thing is that the league attendance doesn't show that they have such a huge problem with ticket sales:

2011 Attendance	Home	Road	Overall
RK	TEAM	        GMS	TOTAL	AVG	PCT	GMS	AVG	PCT	 GMS	 AVG	 PCT
1	Bulls	        41	893,462	21,791	104.2	41	18,431	96.1	82	20,111	100.3
2	Trail Blazers	41	840,924	20,510	102.7	41	16,333	86.0	82	18,422	94.5
3	Cavaliers	41	824,595	20,112	97.8	41	16,200	84.1	82	18,156	91.2
4	Mavericks	41	824,162	20,101	104.7	41	16,657	87.7	82	18,379	96.2
5	Heat	        41	810,930	19,778	100.9	41	19,447	100.9	82	19,612	100.9
6	NY Knicks	41	808,879	19,728	99.8	41	18,044	93.9	82	18,886	96.9
7	Jazz	        41	799,982	19,511	98.0	41	17,331	91.2	82	18,421	94.7
8	Lakers	        41	778,877	18,997	99.7	41	19,087	100.2	82	19,042	99.9
9	Magic	        41	777,852	18,972	102.6	41	17,428	90.5	82	18,200	96.4
10	Warriors	41	766,398	18,692	95.4	41	17,049	89.6	82	17,871	92.5
11	Celtics	        41	763,584	18,624	100.0	41	18,964	98.0	82	18,794	99.0
12	Spurs	        41	750,879	18,314	98.6	41	17,389	91.1	82	17,851	94.8
13	Thunder	        41	744,068	18,148	99.7	41	17,774	93.4	82	17,961	96.5
14	Clippers	41	727,462	17,742	93.1	41	17,614	92.7	82	17,678	92.9
15	Suns	        41	720,249	17,567	95.4	41	17,462	91.6	82	17,514	93.5
16	Nuggets	        41	692,968	16,901	88.2	41	17,285	90.8	82	17,093	89.5
17	Wizards	        41	688,466	16,791	83.2	41	17,192	89.2	82	16,992	86.1
18	Pistons	        41	683,080	16,660	75.5	41	16,732	87.5	82	16,696	81.1
19	Raptors	        41	679,208	16,566	83.7	41	16,855	91.9	82	16,710	87.6
20	Rockets	        41	663,839	16,191	89.7	41	16,943	88.9	82	16,567	89.3
21	Bobcats	        41	649,694	15,846	83.1	41	16,473	85.5	82	16,159	84.3
22	Hawks	        41	641,596	15,648	83.6	41	16,957	87.9	82	16,303	85.7
23	Bucks	        41	631,910	15,412	82.3	41	16,911	87.4	82	16,162	84.9
24	Timberwolves	41	624,960	15,242	78.8	41	16,885	88.5	82	16,064	83.6
25	76ers	        41	604,823	14,751	72.6	41	17,155	89.5	82	15,953	80.8
26	Hornets	        41	603,088	14,709	86.1	41	17,179	89.9	82	15,944	88.1
27	Grizzlies	41	600,687	14,650	80.9	41	16,441	86.4	82	15,546	83.7
28	Nets	        41	581,378	14,179	80.6	41	17,098	88.4	82	15,639	84.7
29	Kings	        41	569,496	13,890	80.2	41	17,400	91.2	82	15,645	86.0
30	Pacers	        41	555,077	13,538	74.5	41	16,844	87.0	82	15,191	81.0

The problem is not revenue but spendings.
The cost to maintain the team and facilities increased dramatically. And revenues not so much.
They need to cut the fat and get read of zilions of people who are getting fed from NBA for nothing.
This is a problem for all corporate America and the Americaln government. NBA is not different.
We are in the state when Empare is strating to go down in flames. Time to clean the house nad cut teh fat across the board.