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AnubisADL
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6/11/2011  4:35 PM

Jrue Holiday: "I'm a Floor General"
May 28, 2009
Jrue Holiday will be the first person to tell you that his freshman season didn’t live up to expectations, not that that fact has scared away GMs looking to draft a point guard. Holiday entered the season as a consensus top five high school player in his class, giving UCLA fans plenty of hope for yet another appearance in the Final Four when the newcomer teamed up with returning All-American point guard Darren Collison. That dream failed to become reality for a variety of reasons, but certainly the underwhelming numbers posted by Holiday received some of the most scrutiny.

A point guard by nature, Holiday spent the majority of his time playing off the ball due to the presence of Collison. This fact, coupled with Ben Howland’s slow-paced offensive system, prevented Holiday from getting very many touches or allowing him the freedom to create. Scouts who have seen tape of the freshman from his days as a prep star in California know that Holiday is a blossoming talent with an intriguing skill set to go along with good size for his position.

Holiday has been preparing for the draft since UCLA’s season came to an end back in March, but has yet to officially make a decision on whether or not he will keep his name in the draft. DraftExpress sat down with Holiday to talk about his training, his year in the Pac-10 and what the future holds for this talented youngster.


Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jrue-Holiday-1108/

The more I think about the more Selby reminds me of Holiday 2 yrs ago. Plus playing with Melo and Amare should give him easy scoring opportunities.

You dont go from being a top highschool prospect to complete scrub in 1 season.

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6/11/2011  6:28 PM
Well, Selby was rated #1 and Irving #2 (coming out of high school), albeit neck and neck. The difference with Holiday and Selby though are vast. Holiday is a BIG pg, great defender and had an ok Freshman year - nothing special. Selby had all the accolades coming out but had the suspension and injury. He really never got to show what he had.

I think Selby might be a bit more similar to Jennings (but without the head-case issues) in that they were both in pretty tough spots to be (Jennings overseas and not getting time, and Selby with the before mentioned). I see you point with Holiday though and don't entirely disagree.

The only reason we are even able to talk about selecting Selby is because he missed games. Had he not and had he kept up his pre-injury stats, he would be top 10 more than likely (especially when you consider his combine numbers.)

I hope we do our HW before selecting him. We learned from the Jennings debacle and perhaps it was a blessing in disguise as his play has fallen off but the message to Knicks management is the same - DON'T make the same mistake twice!

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6/11/2011  7:22 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:Well, Selby was rated #1 and Irving #2 (coming out of high school), albeit neck and neck. The difference with Holiday and Selby though are vast. Holiday is a BIG pg, great defender and had an ok Freshman year - nothing special. Selby had all the accolades coming out but had the suspension and injury. He really never got to show what he had.

I think Selby might be a bit more similar to Jennings (but without the head-case issues) in that they were both in pretty tough spots to be (Jennings overseas and not getting time, and Selby with the before mentioned). I see you point with Holiday though and don't entirely disagree.

The only reason we are even able to talk about selecting Selby is because he missed games. Had he not and had he kept up his pre-injury stats, he would be top 10 more than likely (especially when you consider his combine numbers.)

I hope we do our HW before selecting him. We learned from the Jennings debacle and perhaps it was a blessing in disguise as his play has fallen off but the message to Knicks management is the same - DON'T make the same mistake twice!

I think one similarity Selby and Holiday do have is that they both played in college systems that didn't fit their style of play. But. I agree that Holiday did show more during his stint than Selby. Plus, Holiday didn't have nearly as much baggage that Selby has going into this year's draft.

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6/12/2011  6:02 AM
Selby reminds me a lot of monta ellis. I don't think he's a natural pg but he is more of a small scoring guard who can have a major impact. I like him as a player but I'm not convinced he's what we need. Regardless I wouldn't be mad if we drafted him. Trade him Landry and Tony for cp3? Lol
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6/12/2011  6:18 AM
Selby may or may not be able to score efficiently against nba defenders. He wasn't able to do that in college. As we all know, he had some problems with the suspension and the injury. So we just don't know. With Brooks and Jenkins probably being available when we pick, I don't want to take a chance on Selby. My gut tells me he will disappoint.
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6/12/2011  11:09 AM
I can see the comparison based on their disappointing freshman year numbers, but in terms of game i think Shumpert is a closer comparison to Holiday. Both are elite defenders and their pure PG abilities are/were in question.
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6/12/2011  11:40 AM
* Last year, Avery Bradley declared for the draft following a freshman season at Texas that was underwhelming given his prep accolades. Not only did he struggle to run the point, but also had trouble scoring against better opposition. He ended up getting taken in the middle of the first round off his prep laurels and strong workouts, but proved incapable of contributing as a rookie. This year, there are two more players with the same M.O. have made the same decision, Josh Selby and Cory Joseph. The freshmen seasons of Joseph and Bradley are especially similar given that they both played at Texas and had similar splits in their performance against Top 100 competition and then lesser opponents.

Cory Joseph, Texas Fr. 6' 3 1/4" 186 lbs.
G Min FG 3PT 2PT FT Rebounds
M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2010-11 Total (28-8) 36 32.4 3.8 8.9 42.2 1.4 3.5 41.3 2.3 5.4 42.9 1.4 2.0 69.9 0.6 2.9 3.6 3.0 1.5 1.0 0.3 1.8 10.4
2010-11 Non-Conference Reg (12-3) 15 31.8 4.0 9.4 42.6 1.5 3.9 39.7 2.5 5.5 44.6 1.6 2.4 66.7 0.6 3.2 3.8 3.2 1.7 1.0 0.3 2.1 11.1
2010-11 Big Twelve (15-4) 19 32.6 3.7 8.7 42.2 1.4 3.4 41.5 2.3 5.3 42.6 1.3 1.7 72.7 0.7 2.8 3.6 2.8 1.3 1.1 0.3 1.6 10.1
2010-11 RPI 100 (13-8) 21 34.1 3.8 9.8 38.5 1.1 3.0 35.9 2.7 6.7 39.7 1.4 2.1 66.7 0.7 2.5 3.2 2.7 1.2 1.0 0.4 1.8 10.0
2010-11 Outside RPI 100 (15-0) 15 29.9 3.8 7.8 48.7 1.9 4.1 46.8 1.9 3.7 50.9 1.4 1.9 75.0 0.5 3.5 4.1 3.5 1.9 1.1 0.2 1.8 10.9

Avery Bradley, Texas Fr. 6' 3 1/4" 180 lbs.
G Min FG 3PT 2PT FT Rebounds
M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2009-10 Total (24-10) 34 29.5 4.7 10.8 43.2 1.2 3.3 37.5 2.3 5.4 42.9 1.1 1.9 54.5 1.0 1.9 2.9 2.1 1.5 1.3 0.5 2.4 11.6
2010-11 Non-Conference Reg (14-1) 15 25.6 4.3 9.9 43.6 1.3 2.5 51.4 2.5 5.5 44.6 1.3 2.5 51.4 0.7 1.2 1.9 2.5 1.4 1.6 0.6 2.2 11.0
2010-11 Big Twelve (10-8) 18 32.1 5.0 11.3 44.1 1.4 3.6 40.6 2.3 5.3 42.6 0.9 1.5 59.3 1.3 2.5 3.8 1.8 1.7 0.9 0.4 2.6 12.3
2010-11 RPI 100 (8-9) 17 32.8 4.1 11.4 36.3 0.9 3.6 24.6 2.7 6.7 39.7 1.1 1.8 61.3 1.2 2.2 3.4 1.7 1.9 1.2 0.6 2.5 10.2
2010-11 Outside RPI 100 (16-1) 17 26.2 5.2 10.3 50.9 1.6 3.0 52.9 1.9 3.7 50.9 1.0 2.1 48.6 0.7 1.6 2.4 2.5 1.2 1.4 0.4 2.2 13.1

* Selby is similar, however, in that his underwhelming college season seems to be getting dismissed. Of the sixty players currently in the nbadraft.net mock draft, Selby had the worst turnover rate – 4.3 per 40 minutes - and field goal percentage – 34.8 percent – of that group in games against opponents who finished in the RPI Top 100. While Selby was forced to sit out the first nine games of the season, and there is a theoretical case that missing the start of the season could have been an explanation for his struggling to adjust, the fact of the matter is that he started out with a number of solid scoring outings. If the ankle injury he suffered in late January zapped him of his quickness, then what was the explanation for his performances against Michigan, Nebraska, Baylor, and Texas?

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6/13/2011  5:20 PM
I think we need to stick with a proven player. If we are going to take a risk, I would rather take a risk on Jeremy Tyler than Shelby. If we are going to draft a guard, it should go Jimmer, K. Thompson, M. Brooks, R. Jackson, C. Jenkins, and then J. SHelby, with D. Morris right behind Shelby.
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