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Why don't Minnesota just let Rubio go and say they made a mistake. Just do a deal before Midnight tonight or loose existing deal
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Papabear
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5/31/2011  8:27 PM
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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- A deadline of sorts has arrived for Ricky Rubio as he decides about playing in the NBA next season.

Under the current collective bargaining agreement, Tuesday was the last day Rubio could sign a contract with the
Minnesota Timberwolves and ensure that his deal will be under the existing rookie wage scale.

If the Spanish point guard does not sign a contract with the Wolves by the end of business on Tuesday, he will not be able to sign until the beginning of the new fiscal league year. With labor unrest plaguing the league, it is not certain when that new year will begin and what the new rules will be when the NBA resumes.

A Timberwolves spokesman says it is unlikely the team will comment on Rubio before his European season ends sometime in June.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/05/31/ricky.rubio.ap/index.html#ixzz1NymKheWl

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5/31/2011  9:09 PM
Kahn botched this whole thing so bad it should be a crime for any GM to ever repeat such a move. This fool has basically just blocked the way for this kid to come into the league up to this point. Who would want to play for such a mindless GM? He'll probably continue to cut off his nose to spite his face.
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5/31/2011  9:40 PM
I am pretty sure that Sheridan said the Wolves will lose his rights if he stays in Europe for another year and then he can come to the NBA as a free agent and negotiate a deal without the restrictions of the rookie wage scale. This might not be accurate but I believe Sheridan did discuss this in one of his chats.
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6/1/2011  8:56 AM
lets not pretend like rubio is the victim in all of this. two big reasons why he hasnt signed yet are....1) if he waits another year, he doesnt have to sign for the rookie scale contract as it will be 3 yrs after his drafting. 2) the buyout from Barcelona goes from almost $6M to just about $1.4M...
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6/1/2011  9:46 AM
This kid is playing his hand just the way he wants to.

I think the 3 years is correct about being a free agent. Regarding his buy out it can always be negotiated. They might accept 2mm now than 1.4mm next year.

With lock out looming why bother coming?

Even if Minny could move him why would he even bother to sign if he is a year from picking his destiny? Think he'd be ok in Miami as a defender and distributer? Or Lakers? Both Warm weather climates? Or with his countryman Fran Vasquez in Orlando? Or in NY in MDA's whirlwind offensive scheme?

His marketing potential with Miami is huge riding the coat tails of the superfriends who will get plenty of air time.

TV ratings count for endorsement potential. Miami will draw a huge international following and Rickey got that star quality.

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6/1/2011  9:49 AM
As long as Rubio is under contract overseas he remains the property of the TWolves (under the current CBA). If he starts sitting out (3 yrs maybe), only then would he be a free agent.
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6/1/2011  9:59 AM
Andrew wrote:As long as Rubio is under contract overseas he remains the property of the TWolves (under the current CBA). If he starts sitting out (3 yrs maybe), only then would he be a free agent.


I think your on the right track if memory serves me. And sometimes it does not.

But I seem to recall that Rubio could sit out a year and be a free agent. Perhaps the rule is "three years after draft and sitting out a year overseas.

Im sure someone has a snit desire to nail this accuratly with some deft google skills beyond my patience level this morning.

If this is the case then lets all chime in on our over rated Knick offerings for Rubio given that Khan "owes us".

No. 17 pick, Toney douglas and of course the obligitory cash and future pick swap for Rubio.

Naturally Billups can coach him for a year and he comes off the bench.

Who knows what this kids worth is on the trade market. He is a 4th pick.

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6/1/2011  10:16 AM
It amazes me how people still pine for Rubio. I haven't heard any news of him tearing up the Spanish leauge. Last I looked, he still had no jump shot. There are lots of guards like that in the upcoming draft.
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6/1/2011  10:26 AM
Rubio has court vision but he would need to be paired with a defensive perimeter player. The way championship teams are built these days you can only afford 1 defensive liability on the court. Unfortunately, our two stars are both defensive liabilities so we are already behind. Getting a player like Rubio would only exacerbate our problems.
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6/1/2011  11:25 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Rubio has court vision but he would need to be paired with a defensive perimeter player. The way championship teams are built these days you can only afford 1 defensive liability on the court. Unfortunately, our two stars are both defensive liabilities so we are already behind. Getting a player like Rubio would only exacerbate our problems.

Were do you come up with the idea of him being a defensive liability?! His defence, next to his amazing court vision, is one of his two fortes!!!
He has great defensive insticts, quick hands is very active and pesty and has great physical tools (long arms, tall PG etc.)

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6/1/2011  11:37 AM
dodger78 wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Rubio has court vision but he would need to be paired with a defensive perimeter player. The way championship teams are built these days you can only afford 1 defensive liability on the court. Unfortunately, our two stars are both defensive liabilities so we are already behind. Getting a player like Rubio would only exacerbate our problems.

Were do you come up with the idea of him being a defensive liability?! His defence, next to his amazing court vision, is one of his two fortes!!!
He has great defensive insticts, quick hands is very active and pesty and has great physical tools (long arms, tall PG etc.)

As an 18 year old he made his name in the olympics for being a strong defender and great passer. His weakness is his outside shot. Euro-Points are not demanded to shoot outside to be considered effective.

Rickey is a long 6-6 point known for a strong perimeter defense.

He is not going to tear up the league his first year.

I don't think many think he is an instant savior, and perhaps with our win now mode he is not the starphuch we could use.

Wait until he is 33 and has back problems before we give him a max deal. Then he'll be a perfect knick.

Its not what Rubio is, its what he could be. Potential. Knicks and knick fans don't like taking chances. We like our stars established and ready made with false elevated hope.

Im not saying this kid is anything. He may be a bust. But so could lots of other things happen. Billups could blow out a knee, TD shoulder continues to be a problem, 17th pick is a bust, Amare knee goes, Melo is a "C" cup, and MDA never calls timeout.

Its about the price you pay for potential and scout reports.

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6/1/2011  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2011  4:23 PM
Rubio is nowhere near the player some people on this board make him out to be.
Put it this way... right now as it stands.. Toney Douglas is way better than he is.

I have seen him play and I have friends who have followed him closely.
He is a flashy passer in the same way Jason Williams once was, only he has ZERO defense and weighs about 160 lbs at 6'6"...
The guy is a toothpick and would be manhandled in the NBA.

Right now is he a backup and can't even take over the starting spot on his team because he is just not that good.

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6/1/2011  4:41 PM
Jason Williams? The same Jason Williams that was the starting guard on the 06 championship Miami Heat?

Yes TD is better than him at his position. Maybe Rautins is also.

I stand corrected, he is 6-4 and weighs 180 last season.

Durant looks putrid in stature also.

Don't worry about him yet. Just cuz we like him don't mean we get to decide.

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From January NY times....

He’s 20. Is Rubio’s Fine Future in the Past?
By JONATHAN GIVONY
Rarely would a 20-year-old basketball player be considered over the hill.

But Ricky Rubio set the bar high for himself with his precocious play. Along the way, he has won championships at every level. Rubio made his professional debut at 14 with DKV Joventut in the ACB league of Spain, mesmerizing spectators with his creativity and basketball acumen.

In 2009, the Minnesota Timberwolves selected him fifth over all in the N.B.A. draft. He elected to stay in Spain, moving across town to F.C. Barcelona, one of the most prominent basketball teams in Europe.

The team won a Euroleague title last season with Rubio playing a somewhat secondary role. For much of the decisive action of the Euroleague Final Four, he watched from the bench. Rubio was just a rookie at this level, and people said he still had a lot to learn.

Last summer, Rubio had a golden opportunity to showcase himself as the future of Spanish basketball, playing for the national team in the world championships in Turkey. With Toronto Raptors point guard Jose Calderon out with an injury and Pau Gasol electing to stay home after winning an N.B.A. title with the Los Angeles Lakers, this was Rubio’s ship to steer.

Instead, Rubio struggled. He shot 28 percent from the field, including 2 of 17 from 3-point range, and averaged 4 points in 25 minutes over nine games. Spain, the defending champion, lost in the quarterfinals. For the first time, cracks began to appear in the Rubio hype machine.

“I didn’t feel good last summer,” Rubio said last month in a postgame interview in Vilnius, Lithuania. “I was nervous. That was the first time I didn’t play well. It was an experience for me. It helped me to learn, to appreciate when things go well that you’re doing the good stuff; when things go wrong, you have to learn, to practice more, to improve more.”

Though 28 games in the 2010-11 season, Rubio has continued to struggle. He is shooting just 32 percent from the field, including 11 of 61 from beyond the arc, and his team has lost more games in the ACB and in the Euroleague than it did all of last season.

Why has Rubio’s development stalled?

Will he be able to turn his potential into production?

Always the youngest pro player on the court, Rubio found it natural to act as a selfless distributor and to defer to those with seniority. That is a defining characteristic of European basketball, particularly in Spain, where it is considered disrespectful for an individual to put himself above the team. Most Valuable Player awards are for the American leagues. All that matters are wins and losses.

That mind-set was a big part of Rubio’s upbringing and could be a major reason he is having a hard time taking the reins for Barcelona. The concept of team has been so ingrained that he appears hesitant to put his teammates on his back.

Among all the magical passes, the biggest complaint about Rubio’s game is that he is too unselfish for his own good.

“I try to help the team,” Rubio said. “It doesn’t matter if you have to score 50 points or zero. If I help the team, I don’t think of my stats.”

The best boon to his development might be to play in the N.B.A., where the best point guards are not only great passers but are also able to carry a team with their scoring. In the more-wide-open N.B.A. style, Rubio could flourish.

The Timberwolves continue to push him toward the N.B.A. as soon as possible, contending privately that they have a commitment from him for next season. But Rubio’s camp does not appear to be convinced.

“The bottom line is, why would he want to play in Minnesota?” a senior member of Rubio’s camp said this month. “He’ll continue to say all the diplomatic things, and Minnesota needs to keep his value up for trade purposes, but the family’s preference is to be on the East Coast, specifically New York, Miami or Boston. He wouldn’t be troubled if he has to stay another year.”

But the Timberwolves have leverage. They hold his exclusive draft rights, meaning they are the only N.B.A. team with whom he can negotiate. Their latest strategy in trying to persuade Rubio to sign may center on the possible N.B.A. lockout of players after the collective bargaining agreement expires June 30. The terms of the new agreement will probably be significantly less favorable for rookies.

According to Larry Coon, an expert on the collective bargaining agreement, Rubio has the option of signing his rookie contract until June 30. Under the terms of the current agreement, that deal would begin in 2011-12 and run through 2014-15, with the final two years as team options. His salary next season would reflect the rookie scale for players picked in the 2011 draft.

By doing so, Rubio would risk losing that salary if the 2011-12 season were to be wiped out by a lockout. He could not return to play in Europe to earn a living. Even if the labor dispute was resolved before the end of the season, he might not have the benefit of playing in the summer league or participating in training camp to help him acclimate.

He could also be passing up a significant amount of money if he did sign. Under the current agreement, an unsigned player who is three years removed from his draft class is no longer bound by the restrictions of the N.B.A. rookie scale, allowing him to negotiate a contract for as much money as the team that holds his rights has under the salary cap. The new labor agreement may not allow such maneuvering.

Rubio will have to make a decision once his season ends in June. Does he stay with Barcelona or reunite with his coach from Joventut, possibly with Real Madrid? Can he make the jump to the N.B.A., and will it be with the Timberwolves?

“I’m not focused on the N.B.A. right now,” Rubio said. “Right now, I don’t want to talk and I don’t want to think.”


Jonathan Givony is the owner of DraftExpress.com, a basketball scouting service.


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Why don't Minnesota just let Rubio go and say they made a mistake. Just do a deal before Midnight tonight or loose existing deal

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