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martin
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5/31/2011  12:36 PM
Unless the Knicks have a fav amongst those left at #17, might be good to strengthen team with bodies.

Chicago might be targeting SG like Marshon Brooks.

This might have to be a select-for-other-team type deal. Thoughts?

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5/31/2011  1:30 PM
I think you agree to this trade in principle if it's offered.
The only exception being that the trade is a no go if someone
ranked high on your board drops.

The best approach would be to pick the bpa at 17 & try to buy a
few picks in the second. One guaranteed rookie contract in better
than two. In case that roster spot is needed for someone like
Jerome Jordan.

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5/31/2011  1:45 PM
We could probably buy 28 or 30 from Chicago or another late pick for $3 million and keep 17. If that option were available, I'd rather do that than trade back.
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5/31/2011  3:29 PM
Why would Chicago deal all those picks when they can sign Rip Hamilton possibly Micheal Redd possibly J.R. Smith for bargain all better players at this point still than any rookie to play the 2 spot? Chicago is kind of in win now mode and more than likely not in any position to help teams.

Although if a deal could get done it's more than likely 17 for 28 and 30
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5/31/2011  3:34 PM
Juice wrote:Why would Chicago deal all those picks when they can sign Rip Hamilton possibly Micheal Redd possibly J.R. Smith for bargain all better players at this point still than any rookie to play the 2 spot? Chicago is kind of in win now mode and more than likely not in any position to help teams.

Although if a deal could get done it's more than likely 17 for 28 and 30

Rip still on Detroit and Redd no better than Korver. JRSmith a risk but a possibility.

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5/31/2011  3:46 PM
martin wrote:
Juice wrote:Why would Chicago deal all those picks when they can sign Rip Hamilton possibly Micheal Redd possibly J.R. Smith for bargain all better players at this point still than any rookie to play the 2 spot? Chicago is kind of in win now mode and more than likely not in any position to help teams.

Although if a deal could get done it's more than likely 17 for 28 and 30

Rip still on Detroit and Redd no better than Korver. JRSmith a risk but a possibility.

Rip more than likely gets bought out, Redd is more so depth for shooting threat, agree on J.R. but Brooks is no better not at this point. As in he puts them no closer to winning it all. A nice piece to grow with possibly if he's even there at 17 but is this Chicago's approach? Plus the Bulls need to hang on to some of their picks, they have holes to fill too. Only 10 under contract next year and they'll probably trade someone
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5/31/2011  4:17 PM
Juice wrote:
martin wrote:
Juice wrote:Why would Chicago deal all those picks when they can sign Rip Hamilton possibly Micheal Redd possibly J.R. Smith for bargain all better players at this point still than any rookie to play the 2 spot? Chicago is kind of in win now mode and more than likely not in any position to help teams.

Although if a deal could get done it's more than likely 17 for 28 and 30

Rip still on Detroit and Redd no better than Korver. JRSmith a risk but a possibility.

Rip more than likely gets bought out, Redd is more so depth for shooting threat, agree on J.R. but Brooks is no better not at this point. As in he puts them no closer to winning it all. A nice piece to grow with possibly if he's even there at 17 but is this Chicago's approach? Plus the Bulls need to hang on to some of their picks, they have holes to fill too. Only 10 under contract next year and they'll probably trade someone

yeah, I guess it's about what CHI will do for the long term. Everyone important on that team is 26 or younger outside of Booz, so I am not sure they just need 1 piece in Rip who is over the hill and a defensive liability.

If they think Brooks can be a long term guy who grows with team, it may be worth the shot.

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5/31/2011  4:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2011  4:34 PM
I think we should stay where we are and use our leverage to draft the C from USC. The draft is thin--picks will be available for cash. I would not drop 11 slots in this draft. You want the BPA and I think we have a real chance to get this kid. We need a C--we cant rely on other things happening. This kid can play.
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5/31/2011  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/31/2011  10:29 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think we should stay where we are and use our leverage to draft the C from USC. The draft is thin--picks will be available for cash. I would not drop 11 slots in this draft. You want the BPA and I think we have a real chance to get this kid. We need a C--we cant rely on other things happening. This kid can play.

All picks outside of say lottery slots are about even in talent. You said the same thing in 08' saying pick 6 will have so much more player value than the ensuing picks after. I most certainly would trade down for 2 picks of respectable position it's a no brainer. The draft has depth but maybe not any discernible superstars.
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5/31/2011  9:19 PM
do we have enough roster spots???
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5/31/2011  9:37 PM
I don't think you can do that. The Knicks have one first round pick in 2013 and then one in 2015.The Knicks need a good player on a rookie contract. At 17 the Knicks should be able to get a very good player. If Walsh is able to buy another second round pick I think that is the best scenario. The talent pool isn't the same at 28, 30 and 43. The Knicks are in a position again where they need to make the right pick and get a good young player.
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5/31/2011  10:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I think we should stay where we are and use our leverage to draft the C from USC. The draft is thin--picks will be available for cash. I would not drop 11 slots in this draft. You want the BPA and I think we have a real chance to get this kid. We need a C--we cant rely on other things happening. This kid can play.

I think this is the first year the Knicks will pick the big you want. It makes alot of sense for the player the GM would want and for the player the coach would want at the 5 spot.
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5/31/2011  10:12 PM
martin ive been thinking about ths scenario constany and meant to post it. i cant see them doing it for all 3 picks bit id do it for all 3 ir just two first rounders. id prefer to get a 2nd rounder. or 2. id say jajuan johnson is probably the best pick at 17 if hes there. someone may slip too. if theyre gonna wasre the puck on faried id rather get 2 second round players. id evem be happy if we got 2 project bigs in roind two like greg smith and keith benson.
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5/31/2011  10:45 PM
Here's the thing about trading down for multiple draft picks aside from the depth it might potentially provide. You get several cheap contracts. And to make blockbuster trades you need cheap contracts because they are easier to move and to lump into deals.

Now you can take Billups big expiring and throw in guys like Douglas, rautins, Fields, +4 picks for Chris Paul. It also makes it more likely you can get a 3rd team involved to throw in a draft pick etc.
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6/1/2011  12:01 AM
martin wrote:Unless the Knicks have a fav amongst those left at #17, might be good to strengthen team with bodies.

Chicago might be targeting SG like Marshon Brooks.

This might have to be a select-for-other-team type deal. Thoughts?

I like this possibility presented
other than a decent draft for PGs, this draft is weak for some position spots the Knicks need (size, center, PF)

However if you can get them 3 pks# for #17 from NY
The Knicks can use the depth of the draft and I'd rather take this chance at #28, #30, #43 where if 2 of 3 can
be Knick finds it can only help NY. Knicks historically got no guarantee at sole #17 pick since Our needs are lot.

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6/1/2011  6:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2011  6:47 AM
If Kenneth Faried AND Darius Morris AND Chris Singelton are off the board, I say go for it. If not, NO!
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SupremeCommander wrote:If Kenneth Faried AND Darius Morris AND Chris Singelton are off the board, I say go for it. If not, NO!

Think Faried can be nice player
however I still dont like his size or lack of it, if it doesnt work out then that pick will be a bust.
Beside a rebounding type Faried going be going up against lots of bangers

Only time will tell, NY needs more SIZE and shot blocking

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6/2/2011  11:25 PM
Martin, I had the same thought early in the week, but it really depends on who falls to 17. If Brooks is there, I know Chicago would jump at that deal in a heartbeat, but we could use a player like Brooks too as Fields seems more of a 7th or 8th man than a starter (unless he makes a Lee like jump in his shooting skills this summer). If Jimmer is there, we have to keep the pick, and if Reggie Jackson is there, I think you have to keep the pick.

I would rather talk to Chicago about buying one of their picks for $3 mill and maybe sending them Bill Walker. I think that deal works out better for us and it still gives Chicago a SG.

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6/3/2011  6:45 AM
I'd go the other way. Buy one of Chicago's late first round picks, and an early 2nd rounder and package the #17 + one of the bought picks and move up in the draft. Then we have a better chance at a player who can help us. Maybe get Jimmer, or Bismack, or Chris Singleton, etc.
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6/3/2011  9:14 AM
Markji wrote:I'd go the other way. Buy one of Chicago's late first round picks, and an early 2nd rounder and package the #17 + one of the bought picks and move up in the draft. Then we have a better chance at a player who can help us. Maybe get Jimmer, or Bismack, or Chris Singleton, etc.

TheGame had a nice idea, trade Walker to Chicago +3mill for their later 1st. I don't think we need both Walker and Williams and I'd prefer Williams.

That said Markji, I like your idea too. We never seem to get creative like that though (or maybe the opportunity is just never there.) I just hope we can buy another 1st round pick. I'm sure it's best for us to not say we've bought it though as teams may know who we want and try to move up. We just have to wait for draft day. Or in my case being in Germany, wake up in the morning and see what Donnie has done!

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