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fishmike
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5/18/2011  8:45 AM
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Rockets receive the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick (top 5 protected in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015, if not conveyed by 2015 then the Rockets will receive the Knicks 2015 and 2016 second-round picks) (Tracy McGrady trade 02-18-10)

Nuggets will receive the Knick's first-round pick two years after the Knicks surrender their 2012 first-round pick to the Rockets (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

Nuggets have option to swap 2016 first-round picks with the Knicks (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

So we have 17 pick in 2011
Houston gets 2012
Denver gets 2014 (no protection)
Denver gets to switch 2016 (no protection)

Am I missing something?

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Nalod
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5/18/2011  9:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/18/2011  10:38 AM
fishmike wrote:http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft

Rockets receive the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick (top 5 protected in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015, if not conveyed by 2015 then the Rockets will receive the Knicks 2015 and 2016 second-round picks) (Tracy McGrady trade 02-18-10)

Nuggets will receive the Knick's first-round pick two years after the Knicks surrender their 2012 first-round pick to the Rockets (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

Nuggets have option to swap 2016 first-round picks with the Knicks (Carmelo Anthony trade 02-22-11)

So we have 17 pick in 2011
Houston gets 2012
Denver gets 2014 (no protection)
Denver gets to switch 2016 (no protection)

Am I missing something?

Nope, its how you rebuild in NY!

you forgot first winning season in 10 years, get your second superstar, make playoffs for fisrt time in 6 years AND THEN call for the coaches head!

Don't forget to fume over the lack of draft picks, then blame team for not "buying" more picks, and of course trade scenarios where we trade our players for picks. First find flaws in players, work up into a freenzy then over value the player for a pick which of course is abstract because we don't know the player yet.

Then we inflate the picks, the player we pick, compare him to others, then say "WTF" cuz we either gonna trade him or put him the dog house. Naturally the new coach in abastract always plays the rookies and either fixes a broken offense, or a broken defense. WE get jacked about new season after reading how our players are working out in the summer (no other teams players do this of course) and that gives us hope.

IN between we break down any quotes by coaches looking for cryptic sublminal messages to help us understand the future.

All phat phuchs look good at Tim Grovers BTW.

It will be what it is when it beocomes when the time is right.

Don't fume over our picks the next few years. We got Melo!

Now that he has his huge extension you know he will "Really step it up!"

........Not sure about the future, but I'll tune in!

martin
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5/18/2011  10:10 AM
2014 pick and right to swap 2016? Holy cow, I must have glazed over that. WTF was Dolan doing?
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5/18/2011  10:20 AM
martin wrote:2014 pick and right to swap 2016? Holy cow, I must have glazed over that. WTF was Dolan doing?

Huh missed that too... I'm guessing they kept raising the price and probbaly asked for FIelds too, at which point Walsh told DOlan he was going to resign so DOlan gave them the pick and swap instead.

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5/18/2011  10:40 AM
martin wrote:2014 pick and right to swap 2016? Holy cow, I must have glazed over that. WTF was Dolan doing?


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5/18/2011  11:17 AM
If we draft well this year and/or trade for CP3/OK4 then those picks aren't going to be much better than ones we could buy. Not a big deal unless one of our stars gets hurt.
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5/18/2011  2:31 PM
Moonangie wrote:If we draft well this year and/or trade for CP3/OK4 then those picks aren't going to be much better than ones we could buy. Not a big deal unless one of our stars gets hurt.
how many picks have the Knicks bought in the last 20 years?
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5/18/2011  2:54 PM
I'm just saying that the picks themselves won't have much rotation value.
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5/18/2011  3:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/18/2011  7:40 PM
martin wrote:2014 pick and right to swap 2016? Holy cow, I must have glazed over that. WTF was Dolan doing?

A few of us haven't glossed over this one bit then add in all the second rounders we've given up to. I believe 3 second picks out to 2016. I was wondering if it was sinking in for some posters. I think all they did was focus on players traded and not total assets given up.

That's why you still hear the biching about Brewer(not regulated to coach not wanting to find room to play him) but that we got nothing for him.... meanwhile players like Marquis Daniels get traded for a pick(protection/no protection)

I recently commented on 2010 assets on hand before that season's deadline(Rockets trade) out to 2016

We had

Jordan Hill
Toney Douglas
Effries(expiring)
Curry(expiring)
1rst
2011(Swap)
2012(Top 5)
2013
2014
2015
2016
Nate
Lee

Chandler
Gallo

2nd
Clippers/Denver 2010
2010
2012(Top 55 protected)
2013
2014
2015
2016

We ended up/maintained following 2010 with

Amar'e
Felton
Mozgov

Bukie
Turiaf
Randolph
Chandler
Gallo

Walker
Douglas
Rautins
Curry(expiring)

1rst
2013
2014
2015
2016(Swap)

2nd
2011(Boston)
2013
2014
2015
2016
2012(Warriors)
2013(Warriors)

But then gave up more to get Melo and now have these assets remaining

Amar'e
Melo
Billups
Turiaf
Fields
Douglas
Walker
Balkman
Rautins

1rst
2011
2013
2015

2nd
2011(Boston)
2013
2014
2015
2016


* What's in Blue is what we gave up


We gave up a lot of ish for a year/half rent a point guard and 2 cap killing All-Stars semi Superstars with tons of miles on them and near meaningless 2nd round pick. The only thing that worked was the 2011 swap. I left Brewer out because it returned nothing and Carter, Williams, Brown, Effries.... because they haven't been resigned. You can also add the pick given up to Denver from Sota for AR. Yes we traded AR got back a pick but then sent that pick to Denver.....ROTFLOL!


That's why I said anything less than a 3Peat is near failure

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5/18/2011  7:20 PM
The only reason the Knicks have picks at all is because the NBA doesn't allow a franchise to trade their first rounder two years in a row.
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5/18/2011  7:22 PM
Moonangie wrote:If we draft well this year and/or trade for CP3/OK4 then those picks aren't going to be much better than ones we could buy. Not a big deal unless one of our stars gets hurt.

The last time the Knicks used that logic they gave up the picks that became Joakim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Eddy Curry.
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5/18/2011  7:44 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we draft well this year and/or trade for CP3/OK4 then those picks aren't going to be much better than ones we could buy. Not a big deal unless one of our stars gets hurt.

The last time the Knicks used that logic they gave up the picks that became Joakim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Eddy Curry.

I think the last part of what he said bolded speaks volumes of how much more fragile our flexibility or lack thereof is. I also find it interesting how many fans are putting stock into our 17th pick and ability to purchase picks in a so-called(weak draft) although it isn't.....when look at all the picks(lottery talent) we've given up or wasted upon acquisition. If our 17th pick is so important now why did we give away all our others away like free candy?

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5/19/2011  1:04 PM
CrushAlot wrote:The only reason the Knicks have picks at all is because the NBA doesn't allow a franchise to trade their first rounder two years in a row.

that rule really saved the knicks
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5/19/2011  1:05 PM
Juice wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Moonangie wrote:If we draft well this year and/or trade for CP3/OK4 then those picks aren't going to be much better than ones we could buy. Not a big deal unless one of our stars gets hurt.

The last time the Knicks used that logic they gave up the picks that became Joakim Noah and LaMarcus Aldridge to get Eddy Curry.

I think the last part of what he said bolded speaks volumes of how much more fragile our flexibility or lack thereof is. I also find it interesting how many fans are putting stock into our 17th pick and ability to purchase picks in a so-called(weak draft) although it isn't.....when look at all the picks(lottery talent) we've given up or wasted upon acquisition. If our 17th pick is so important now why did we give away all our others away like free candy?

because that's what is done here out of desperation

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5/19/2011  1:11 PM
Caseloads wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The only reason the Knicks have picks at all is because the NBA doesn't allow a franchise to trade their first rounder two years in a row.

that rule really saved the knicks


Its like "Do not put hands and feet in the lawn mower blades when operationg"

Its like why is is it one has to put a warning?

cuz someone picked up a running mower to trim the hedges and lost 8 fingers.

They sued. They won because there was no warning.

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5/19/2011  1:18 PM
Nalod wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:The only reason the Knicks have picks at all is because the NBA doesn't allow a franchise to trade their first rounder two years in a row.

that rule really saved the knicks


Its like "Do not put hands and feet in the lawn mower blades when operationg"

Its like why is is it one has to put a warning?

cuz someone picked up a running mower to trim the hedges and lost 8 fingers.

They sued. They won because there was no warning.

funny contest about this type of stuff going on right now:

May 18, 2011
The 14th annual Wacky Warning Labels contest, highlighting the most bizarre consumer cautions, announced its five finalists Tuesday and will select a winner in June. Robert Siegel talks to Bob Dorigo Jones, who started the contest back in 1997.


MICHELE NORRIS, host:

From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Michele Norris.

ROBERT SIEGEL, host:

And I'm Robert Siegel. A brief warning now for our listeners: If you turn up your radio dial, the volume will get louder.

Now that may sound obvious, but judging from some warnings you can find on product labels, stating the obvious, and overstating the obvious, are the order of the day.

Enter the 14th annual Wacky Warning Labels contest. It announced its five finalists yesterday, and it will select a winner in June. Joining us now from Detroit by Bob Dorigo Jones, a senior fellow at the nonprofit group The Center for America, which runs this contest. Welcome to the program.

Mr. BOB DORIGO JONES (Senior Fellow, The Center for America): Thank you.

SIEGEL: First, I'd like you tell us about the finalists, beginning with one. One label concerns a pen cap, or a pen on the cap of the pen.

Mr. JONES: This is an ordinary ballpoint pen, but the warning label says: Pen caps can obstruct breathing. Keep out of mouth. In other words, don't swallow the pen.

SIEGEL: Don't swallow the pen. A dust mask also has an interesting warning this year.

Mr. JONES: It just says warning: does not supply oxygen.

SIEGEL: This presumably is in case you confuse it with the thing that comes down over your seat in the airplane in the event of emergency?

Mr. JONES: That must be why.

SIEGEL: A leather handgun holster comes with a warning label that's one of your finalists.

Mr. JONES: It says warning: for gun only, not a functional day planner.

SIEGEL: You mean it's designed to look like a day planner.

Mr. JONES: And it's very clear - and the name of the product is a gun holder.

SIEGEL: Yeah, another one is for a hot tub cover.

Mr. JONES: Yes, it was found outside of a cover of a hot tub. It says warning: remove safety cover from spa when in use.

SIEGEL: Don't try to get into the hot tub with the safety cover still on top of it is what it's effectively telling us.

Mr. JONES: Yes.

SIEGEL: And a bicycle brochure came with what you would call a finalist for the Wacky Warning Label competition.

Mr. JONES: This is one of my favorites. We have the brochure. There are pictures of little children riding bikes, most of them on training wheels, but the warning label says: The action depicted in this brochure is potentially dangerous. The riders seen are experienced experts or professionals.

SIEGEL: Are they doing wheelies or something, or not wearing helmets? Is that what they're getting at?

Mr. JONES: You would think so from that warning label, but they're just -actually most of them were standing next to the bicycle.

SIEGEL: So this is a contest that you run at the Center for America. And it's part of a political case that you're making here against - well, you're a tort reform group, I guess.

Mr. JONES: We're a public education group. We want people thinking about all the ways that American culture is changing because we live in the most lawsuit-happy society on Earth.

You don't see these warnings anywhere around the world because reporters from Japan, Australia, France and Germany all come to interview us about this, and they all wonder the same thing: Why do Americans put up with all these lawsuits that lead to these types of labels?

SIEGEL: Well, back to the labels themselves, what in your experience really qualifies as a wacky warning label?

Mr. JONES: A wacky warning label is a label that's warning you about something that you already know anyway, common sense, obvious. For example, one of the past winners was a warning label on a scooter, and right on the handlebars, between the grips, it says: Warning, this product moves when used.

SIEGEL: One would hope. Well, thanks for talking with us about it.

Mr. JONES: My pleasure, thank you.

SIEGEL: That's Bob Dorigo Jones, who is a senior fellow at the nonprofit, The Center for America, and founder of the Wacky Warning Labels contest, which is now in its 14th year. He spoke to us from Detroit.

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