DENG -- not rose -- averages the most minutes per game. (guy's is just a horse and gives consistent production. great 3rd banana). regular season @ 39 minutes per game, post season is up to 44.

rose then plays about 37. noah and boozer both 22.

outside of that though, the team is ALL roleplayers -- they have utilized the draft and free agencies very well in building a team.

starting SG - keith bogans. started all 82 games and has started all postseason games but only plays 20 minutes a night. guards other teams 2s very physically and hits 38% from 3, keeping guys somewhat honest on doubling. HOW'D THE BULLS GET BOGANS? signed before this season for 2 yr $3.3 million -- ppl were de-riding the signing as a worthless 12th man move but obviously thought out and calculated.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/431532-chicago-bulls-sign-keith-bogans-but-why

they play FIVE guys off the bench. that's right 10 guys deep.

korver plays 20 minutes a night, plays SG/SF. is an absolute knock down shooter hitting 49% of his 3s in the playoffs (42% 3 during season this guy is elite). HOW'D BULLS GET KORVER? signed before this season for 3 yrs 15 million.

taj gibson 20 minutes a night. plays either forward spot. does nothing great but everything well. HOWD THE BULLS GET TAJ? drafted 26th overall in 2009, obviously a steal.

ronnie brewer 14 minutes a game, plays either guard spot. HOWD THE BULLS GET RONNIE? signed before this season 3 yrs $12.5 mil. plays 14 minutes a game, mostly at 2.

CJ watson 9 minutes a game basically all backing up rose. is a competent backup and doesnt make stupid plays. HOWD THE BULLS GET CJ? acquired in a S&T before this season for 2 yrs 6.5 mil with a team option for a third year. what did the bulls trade? a future 2nd round. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-19/sports/ct-spt-0720-bulls-bits-chicago--20100719_1_bulls-watson-million-of-salary-cap-space

omer asik 24 yr old 2-time turkish league all-star. is 7 feet and an adequate backup C. HOWD THE BULLS GET ASIK? draft night deal with a few 2nd rounders which they had stockpiled via other deals.

THAT is a rotation! and what'd they do -- yea they won the lottery with rose, but beyond that it is in-house drafting (deng, noah, gibson at 26th overall), really smart draft day deals, and smart and calculated below-market FA deals (brewer, watson, bogans, korver). boozer was seen as their "big catch" via FA and he's arguably their 4th most important player.

knicks have melo & STAT right now, which is elite elite elite scoring production from your two forwards. a 2-headed monster in which melo is probably the true alpha dog. billups is still a very very wily vet who can be a top 10 PG if you play to his strengths and slow the game down and he stays healthy. this guy was finals MVP and has a championship, the swag and savvy he brings is immeasurable. we NEED to get him an adequate backup that can play 25 mpg and more on back to backs. billups minutes should be severely protected or he will just break down like this year.

fields was a sly second round move who was great for half the season and real bad for half the season. if we get 10ppg/40% from 3/7 rebounds landry fields for 30 minutes i am very happy.

douglas is like brewer he should backup at either guard spot. played through injuries this year and game did improve. hand some stand out games (dropped 30 on the bulls on 9/14 shooting!). should play 25 minutes game next year and if he can improve his PG play would be a HUGE plus.

C -- TBD 30 MPG
PF -- STAT 34 MPG
SF -- melo 38 mpg -- if knicks are gonna be serious melo needs to come into camp in great shape and ready to roll
SG -- fields 28 mpg.
PG -- billups 29 mpg (would be 3 minutes less than this season)

bench
douglas G 28 mpg.

what do the knicks need? a starting C (dalembert possibly?, front court bench role players, a backup 2/3.

what do the knicks have? pick 17 in the draft. an MLE and an LLE.

they've gotta hit on the draft pick -- faried looks like he can contribute right away as a rebounding forward, chris singleton SF FSU if he can play either F spot is very intriguing with his defense and 3. and they've gotta utilize the money they have like the bulls did and get a few rotation players out of it.

knicks have enough bullets in the chamber to have a good squad next year. come on donnie. give MDA a 10-man rotation and lets see if this guy can coach.

I would stay away from the Bulls example for a season or two though, because it could be that their team is locked into being the Defensive version of the Suns. Their is only so high a team that depends soooo completely on their system and 1 player (Rose/Nash) can go.

Don't forget the failed trades and picks by chicago for many years. Still they made it back. It takes time. We don't do that.

But we got Melo so its all good. Tits and all.

Top 5? Nope, Top 10? Nope. Third team? Not. Melo is right there in votes with Raggedy Man Paul Pierce. Melo in the prime of his career. Tits and all.

Im rooting for Melo to do it! Dude got a nice rack for a max player!

Just guarding my emotions.

y2zipper wrote:The Bulls are last year's Cavs. They're a one man show and they need Rose to play out of his mind every night to win. They brought in Boozer to be that 2nd superstar, but that hasn't worked out.

how does this differ from melo and the knicks?

let me say this: if melo isn't top 5 in the MVP next year the knicks won't do anything. it all rides on that dude.

STAT to a lesser degree. these two guys are our big horses. stat needs another 25/8/2 year and melo needs to put up career #'s or this team is gonna get smacked in the first round again.

that being said, 8 competent rotation guys other than STAT&MELO are not that far away. people act like it's going to take 5 offseasons to get like 4-5 decent players. it can happen in one offseason!

Vmart wrote:I think the bigger example that the Bulls give out more so than anything else is DEFENSE. MDA can take a page out of that book forget the player Knicks will have the horses come next year. The bigger question is can MDA make the Knicks players into defensive juggernauts. I highly doubt it, but let see what happens.

VMart what are the Knick pieces for being a great defensive team? Coaching? Please tell me you know more about sports than that.

Riley coached showtime... why coulnt he "teach" Ewing, Starks, Mason and Oak to push the ball and be more dynamic on offense like Kareem, Magic, Worth and Byron were? Shouldnt a GOOD coach be able to do that?

funny stuff.

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:To build that team you need patience. Too bad Dolan doesn't have any.

Maybe you forgot 10 year of being " THE TERRI BULLS"

At the least Bulls had a plan. They tried to build around two young 7 footers in the frontcourt. One a great scorer, one a great defender. They couldnt stay healthy for starters and Curry simply wasnt very good but is that plan that bad? Is that worse plan than building around Marbury? Around McDyess? Did the Bulls ever trade picks for a star player? Worst thing they did was trade for Jalen Rose, a very ISiah like trade but the rest wasnt bad. They stuck to using the draft, after 10 years got an MVP caliber player and have another shot at a dynasty

Killa4luv wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. we traded the roster for a guy who gets smoked by Paul Pierce head to head, but stars win titles.

Really?
Game 1 Melo = 13pt 4rb 4ass Pierce = 18pt 4rb 4assists
Game 2 Melo = 42pt 17rb 6ass Pierce= 20pt 5r 2a
Game 4 Melo = 15 11 6 Pierce= 38 3 1
Game 3 Melo = 32pt 9rb 3ass Pierce= 13 5 3

If by "smoked by paul pierce" you mean, scorched him twice, out-rebounded and out-assisted him in every game then yeah, I agree.

The only thing that smoked us in that series was Chauncey's knee and Amare's back.

If Donnie can build another deep team then this is a good trade. If not then we got screwed. It really is as simple as that. Melo is the best player in the trade no doubt, but as fish has stated, you need a lot of parts to win titles.

NYKBocker wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. we traded the roster for a guy who gets smoked by Paul Pierce head to head, but stars win titles.

Really?
Game 1 Melo = 13pt 4rb 4ass Pierce = 18pt 4rb 4assists
Game 2 Melo = 42pt 17rb 6ass Pierce= 20pt 5r 2a
Game 4 Melo = 15 11 6 Pierce= 38 3 1
Game 3 Melo = 32pt 9rb 3ass Pierce= 13 5 3

If by "smoked by paul pierce" you mean, scorched him twice, out-rebounded and out-assisted him in every game then yeah, I agree.

The only thing that smoked us in that series was Chauncey's knee and Amare's back.

If Donnie can build another deep team then this is a good trade. If not then we got screwed. It really is as simple as that. Melo is the best player in the trade no doubt, but as fish has stated, you need a lot of parts to win titles.

and as my post above indicates, it's not impossible to add 4-5 pieces to a rotation in ONE offseason without many "assets."

we have a draft pick, we can purchase more picks, we can make sign and trades, and we have an MLE and an LLE. that should be enough to add 4 ROTATION players.

BigSm00th wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. we traded the roster for a guy who gets smoked by Paul Pierce head to head, but stars win titles.

Really?
Game 1 Melo = 13pt 4rb 4ass Pierce = 18pt 4rb 4assists
Game 2 Melo = 42pt 17rb 6ass Pierce= 20pt 5r 2a
Game 4 Melo = 15 11 6 Pierce= 38 3 1
Game 3 Melo = 32pt 9rb 3ass Pierce= 13 5 3

If by "smoked by paul pierce" you mean, scorched him twice, out-rebounded and out-assisted him in every game then yeah, I agree.

The only thing that smoked us in that series was Chauncey's knee and Amare's back.

If Donnie can build another deep team then this is a good trade. If not then we got screwed. It really is as simple as that. Melo is the best player in the trade no doubt, but as fish has stated, you need a lot of parts to win titles.

and as my post above indicates, it's not impossible to add 4-5 pieces to a rotation in ONE offseason without many "assets."

we have a draft pick, we can purchase more picks, we can make sign and trades, and we have an MLE and an LLE. that should be enough to add 4 ROTATION players.

What are the chances that all 4 players acquired would be good enough to help us next year? That's hard to do. It takes teams decades to find the right mix and some never do. Its not impossible to get players, I agree. Players that can actually help is a diff issue all together.